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"Oct. 20, 2005
Dear S.F. Chronicle,
What is going on ! There is less coverage about the Celebration of Chet Helms’ life this Oct. 30th in Golden Gate Park in the Chronicle than in a London paper someone sent me. Joel Selvin has said nothing. Has he forgotten where he came from? I remember him as a kid trying to gain access to the SF music scene. Is it Clear Channel or nothing now? Is he too slick now for “that old hippie scene”?
Take a look around you Joel. You of all folks should know what the origins of SF’s music and art scene is. You should know what a major role Chet played. Sure, Graham made the money, but Chet created the spirit, had the vision. Burning Man is the Dionysian theatre that Chet created with open dance floors and light shows taken into the new millennium. Do you remember what a concert poster looked like in 1963, pre Family Dog?.... a boxing flyer. Who first put together art and music? Maritime Hall and Reggae on the River are direct descendants of the Family Dog as well.
Maybe we should thank you, because being ignored or oppressed is always a more rich and fertile ground for creativity. More art comes from frustration than from acceptance and complacency. There are always those who will capitalize on a scene, but don’t really want to be seen with the creators of that scene. Chet wasn’t rich or slick. He lacked that New York aggression. He was mild and, if you knew him, a true intellectual.
And of course and as usual, we have the best damn parties of anybody. Sorry you’ve missed the point and the opportunity. But we’re inclusive, so you’re all invited and it’s free. It was never about the money for some of us. Is that so hard to understand in this day and age? Are you beginning to get the picture?
Doug Green"
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We love you Doug
Dear S.F. Chronicle,
What is going on ! There is less coverage about the Celebration of Chet Helms’ life this Oct. 30th in Golden Gate Park in the Chronicle than in a London paper someone sent me. Joel Selvin has said nothing. Has he forgotten where he came from? I remember him as a kid trying to gain access to the SF music scene. Is it Clear Channel or nothing now? Is he too slick now for “that old hippie scene”?
Take a look around you Joel. You of all folks should know what the origins of SF’s music and art scene is. You should know what a major role Chet played. Sure, Graham made the money, but Chet created the spirit, had the vision. Burning Man is the Dionysian theatre that Chet created with open dance floors and light shows taken into the new millennium. Do you remember what a concert poster looked like in 1963, pre Family Dog?.... a boxing flyer. Who first put together art and music? Maritime Hall and Reggae on the River are direct descendants of the Family Dog as well.
Maybe we should thank you, because being ignored or oppressed is always a more rich and fertile ground for creativity. More art comes from frustration than from acceptance and complacency. There are always those who will capitalize on a scene, but don’t really want to be seen with the creators of that scene. Chet wasn’t rich or slick. He lacked that New York aggression. He was mild and, if you knew him, a true intellectual.
And of course and as usual, we have the best damn parties of anybody. Sorry you’ve missed the point and the opportunity. But we’re inclusive, so you’re all invited and it’s free. It was never about the money for some of us. Is that so hard to understand in this day and age? Are you beginning to get the picture?
Doug Green"
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We love you Doug
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Re: Letter from Doug Gree to SF Chronicle
Fri, October 21, 2005 - 1:04 PMHey Mr Selvin and Others
If you are reading this. yes some egos have been burnt by what ever egos get burnt by. but it is not about ego. it is about Chet and bringing communities past and present together to celebrate a rare true human being leaving the planet.
Not all hippies have long hair or dreadlocks and preach vegetables. Some wear suits and are CEO's and engineers, some are rock stars in black leather, some save your life at the hospital. Others stop your grandma's hands being painfully clawed from arthritis without the expensive debiltating chemicals that kill other parts of her body.
If it weren't for hippies SF and a few other places in the world would be just like every western world where else. Chet is an intergral part of San Francisco's history and living culture. What the hell are you thinking duckie?
Deborah Paulino
As representative of the IQ Project - Australia www.iq.org.au
Founder www.gigdirectory.net San Francisco
FYI
Joel Sullivan's email should be jselvin@sfgate.com
Bast him guys....
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Re: Letter from Doug Gree to SF Chronicle
Fri, October 21, 2005 - 1:23 PMWas there some horrible derogatory article published about Chet Helms or the pending party? If so, where are the links? I've searched SF Gate and haven't found anything relative.
Or are you just upset because there hasn't been a slew of free coverage yet? If so, don't you think that such press/free advertising would come in the final week before the party to get people ramped up to attend the event?
I'm sincerely trying to understand what caused such a such strongly negative reaction. I'm also trying to understand the "Chet created Burning Man" comment... Any advice? -
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Re: Letter from Doug Gree to SF Chronicle
Fri, October 21, 2005 - 2:18 PMoops got Mr Selvins email wrong
correct email address is jselvin@sfchronicle.com
jselvin (@) sfchonicle.com
don't know about chet creating burning man, maybe more that he inspired it's founder
The Stomp crew are pissed because they see other media are recognizing it in other places, yet the local establishment where Chet lived and left the planet from seems to be ignoring it. I think they kind of see it as their efforts not being acknowleged by their local community press.
I mean yes it is about free advertising in one respect, but the event is actually free and it is costing around $75 000 and even with vendors and sponsors and a packed house they will still be in the hole around $35 000.
In my eyes, and only living here 6 years and knowing Chet 2 years... it is about celebrating the man and what many people see as his work for community. The Stomp is trying to bring a bit of that back to life for folks to experience, using some of the original crew and bands. (Which I think is rather cool, instead of a guest list only bash at the GAMH with snooty rock stars.)
They are a fab mob of human beings working this show, every one there has dropped thier egos and old wounds to make it happen. The local pre press is to acknowledge their efforts as much as Chet and the event itself. Maybe a story about that?
at least in my eyes;-)
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Re: Letter from Doug Gree to SF Chronicle
Fri, October 21, 2005 - 2:39 PMPerhaps the Chron's coverage was being reserved for the week before the party happens, when it's needed most, and also most relevant...
I'm having trouble reconciling:
"every one there has dropped thier egos" and
"local pre press is to acknowledge their [Stomp crew] efforts"
"The Stomp crew are pissed" and
"it is about celebrating the man"
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Re: Letter from Doug Gree to SF Chronicle
Fri, October 21, 2005 - 3:48 PMI never said they were being publicly pissed. I should have just said they were upset. Wouldn't you be?
I think you might be taking things out of context in an effort to prove a point. But there is no point to prove. The situation is what it is, no more no less.
The fact is the Chronicle could be making history, a good series of community articles for thier publication and syndication, and gaining a lot of street cred, by following the production of this event, but they are not.
The rest of the world gets that, I don't know why the local papers don't or you for that matter. Seems kind of strange, especially because you've signed on to this list, a list for volunteers and supporters of this event and Chet.
Do you work for the Chronicle? Are you a journalist or publicist? A scandal and rumour monger? Or are you just here to find stuff you can be negative about to tell your freinds and make everyone feel disatisfied with life? Are you from Clear Channel? You have already expressed an interest in negative press about Chet and this event. What's that about? Do tell us sweety, we want to know. -
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Re: Letter from Doug Gree to SF Chronicle
Fri, October 21, 2005 - 4:00 PMI know Trolleyrocker personally and know she does not work for the Chron or CC or any place like that. She is a music fan and is simply raising some valid questions, so there is no need to question her motives.
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Re: Letter from Doug Gree to SF Chronicle
Fri, October 21, 2005 - 5:22 PMI'm not a journalist or publicist. I don't work for Chron or Clear Channel or anybody. As a rabid music fan, I joined this Tribe to get information about the festival.
The insulting comments sent to Joel Selvin are completely negative, petty, unconstructive, self righteous, and most importantly, *totally* unprofessional. Your hypocritical follow up comments make it clear that you seem more interested in "personal glory" for being a part of a scene, rather than selflessly honoring the life and work of the person supposedly being celebrated...
If you wanted positive publicity, press, and free advertising about both Chet Helms and the party, you went about it in a completely stupid and counterproductive manner. The reputation of the festival and Family Dog have been permanently tarnished.
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Re: Letter from Doug Gree to SF Chronicle
Fri, October 21, 2005 - 5:08 PMyeah i dont think the argument can hold well crediting the creation of BM to Chet. BM was created by a small group of people in 86 on Ocean Beach (or was it Bakers?) who burned a small man made hastily by someone with some wood and gasoline on summer solstice, and it grew from there.
however, because of my involvement in BM while working with Chet, he too became interested, enough so that he attended the burns of both 03 and 04. additionally i was able to invite chet to some functions where he was able to meet some of the founding members of the BM community and talk "hippie" with them. ill always be glad for that.
curious about the sfgate thing - any links to what we are referring when we arm ourselves to "blast em"?
and yah, the SFChron... they should be printing something I agree. My opinlon is such the Gavinator oughtta get out and say something, even though its my understanding he never had the privelege of knowing Chet. -
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Re: Letter from Doug Gree to SF Chronicle
Fri, October 21, 2005 - 9:14 PMBTW the mayor of SF is an old childhood friend of mine. not sure if thatll help us in this situation, but i fired off an email today asking for some sort of mention about the event. ya never know. -
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Re: Letter from Doug Gree to SF Chronicle
Sat, October 22, 2005 - 1:51 PMCool girls and guys,
I was being defensive about being put on the spot about negative stuff when I am just trying to help out on a show for somebody I respect and a crew I am growing fond of. I am just the moderator (loosely as there is not moderation of this board). So yeah I turned it around to put the other person on the spot to get them out of my hair and to stop feeling weirded out.
No Chet didn't start burning man, that's an easy one to look up on the burningman site or ask the burning man tribes, and it is an interesting story. so yeah do homework at source please before asking weird and strange fan questions.
Music fans or no, I think it wise to get stories straight, but I also think it wise to not think too much. Let it be, have fun, and go for the positive.
Sorry I missed the n Doug. Do you still love me?
ok I gotta get back to it
group hug;-)
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Re: Letter from Doug Green to SF Chronicle
Sat, October 22, 2005 - 5:48 PMWhooooa!
Well at least there's some reaction out there. I don't believe I said Chet started BM. I used to have long all night long festival philosophy conversations with Chet as we roamed the Bay Area late at night doing business to finance the Tribal Stomps of '78 & '79. We often discussed the concepts behind Dionysian theatre and the rites of the Eleusian Mysteries. I know that we based our philosophies of festival community building on them. I believe I said that I feel BM has truly taken many of those precepts of Dionysian theatre into this millennium whereas the Family Dog was of the preceeding millennium. In a conversation with Larry, he said he was inspired by the freedom and empowerment of the sixties SF concert scene. Things like The Family Dog, The Committee, The Floating Lotus Magic Opera Company, & The Living Theatre, to name a few, I feel, are the foundation of todays Performance Art
Come on now can't anybody take a ribbing any more. Joel is getting old, who isn't, and I thought I'd light a little fire under his ass. Are we too PC to do that anymore? I was told all normal channels of communication had been tried with no response so ......
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Re: Letter from Doug Green to SF Chronicle
Sat, October 22, 2005 - 6:07 PMPost Script.
I sent the letter to the Chron reader Rep to whom complaints about coverage are supposed to be sent. Not to be published. I, as well, didn't publish it here. You can see my published blogs about the event are all positive. (see my tribe.net page) I think Deborah just got a little excited, let's all take two deep breaths and smile... :)
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Re: Letter from Doug Green to SF Chronicle
Sat, October 22, 2005 - 6:27 PMPost, post script:
As far as "permanent damage" done. I really don't think so. I received an email from Chet's brother and legatee that said..... " Thanks Doug for telling it like it is". -
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Re: Letter from Doug Green to SF Chronicle
Sat, October 22, 2005 - 9:48 PMJoel has now kindly agreed to give us some coverage. Case closed. -
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Re: Letter from Doug Green to SF Chronicle
Sun, October 23, 2005 - 1:25 AMsqueaky wheel gets the grease.
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