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Suppose you got two separate water circuits. One has algae in it, and I assume that has to be kept sanitary. Suppose the other has fish in it, or something else which is not so sanitary. It probably wouldn't be so easy to sanitize a fish. So...
What would be the cheapest and most efficient way to transfer oxigen and carbon dioxide from one water supply to the other?
One more thing... Suppose you want to store CO2 and O during the night or cloudy periods... How would that be accomplished as well?
There'd be some dumping water from one to the other, and sanitizing it on the way back, but that would be to low volume for CO2 and O transfer I would think.
I'm sure there's hundreds of ways of doing that. Anyone got any ideas?
Tony
What would be the cheapest and most efficient way to transfer oxigen and carbon dioxide from one water supply to the other?
One more thing... Suppose you want to store CO2 and O during the night or cloudy periods... How would that be accomplished as well?
There'd be some dumping water from one to the other, and sanitizing it on the way back, but that would be to low volume for CO2 and O transfer I would think.
I'm sure there's hundreds of ways of doing that. Anyone got any ideas?
Tony
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Re: Transfer and storage of CO2 and O
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 12:35 PMHi Tony! I'm not an expert but I do know a bit about algae farming and I'd love to help as much as I can.
Here are my comments and questions about your scenario:
Are you trying to grow food grade algae and also grow fish for fish meal or human-consumption?
You might want to think up a simpler scenario so cross-contamination is not a problem. You could harvest your algae (by settling and siphoning up the dense culture) from the algae bioreactors and put it into the fish tanks to feed the fish. By the way another valuable by-product of fish farming is fish manure.
What is your source of CO2? Are there toxins in it?
Algae is also used to treat grey and black water, algae can sanitize water.
You probably won't want to transfer any carbon dioxide to the fish since they prefer oxygen.
When you add CO2 to water it dissolves in the water, carbonating it. Carbonation will escape the water if left open or uncovered, gassing off over time.
Check out Kent SeaTech's operation. They grow algae on the nutrient rich water from the Salton Sea and then feed the algae to Tilapia or Striped Bass. www.kentseatech.com/vr.htm Google them and you'll see they got the CA state contract to clean up the Salton Sea.
Hope to hear back from you,
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Re: Transfer and storage of CO2 and O
Mon, October 29, 2007 - 3:01 AMFood grade would be nice, but for now I just want to get a prototype up and running. I'd like to produce food, like fish, not necessarily algae as food. I expect the fish manure to feed the algae, so it won't really be a by-product. Removal of fish from the system, will require replacement of chemicals which are in the fishes. I think I can use land plants to solve that problem. Run some of the fish water through the land plants, with extra, so the extra water drains through and goes into the algae water. The plants then provide a living habitat for fungus chemically erode the sand part of the dirt to extract minerals and stuff, which then flows through the system to eventually be turned into fish. Using the plants would then simplify the process, so less thinking is required.
I figured the fish would make CO2, and some would come from the air of course. When I was younger, I did some research with Methane, and I found out that... I needed to do more experiments *sigh*. I never took any classes in biology, which is both detrimental and helpful. Detrimental in that I don't know what I need to know to solve problems, and helpful in that I don't know what not to try. Now I'm thinking that Methane production might also provide a CO2 source, and other things we need. I believe it'd be mutually beneficial.
My last experiment with one gallon of water, ran for 2 or 3 days doing nothing, then produced a cup of methane in about 2 hours, and then died. I think my methane got sucked up by all the plastic in my system (several pounds).
Both Methane and Algae are areas where almost nobody has done any research on. They are not economically practical for the soul reason that no one has done the research needed to make them practical. I think a little bit of research, and we can make massive amounts of energy very cheap with both of those. The research on Methane might not pay off yet, but algae I think is close enough to make it a better investment dollar wise than making some new invention or product idea. Algae has a guaranteed market, while an invention or product idea does not. Also, algae needs less initial investment.
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Re: Transfer and storage of CO2 and O
Tue, February 17, 2009 - 3:31 PMCheck out this website:
www.kentseatech.com/
To grow algae and also fish, Kent Seatech has been using the polluted water from an unnatural and very polluted lake called the Salton Sea in Southern California. First they grow algae with the fertilizer-rich lake waters, then they add the fish which polish the water. They have not been growing the fish for consumption, but to use their manual and fish meal as a fertilizer for farming.
It's likely that the same farmers responsible for the runoff that pollutes the Salton Sea have begun purchasing the fish meal and fish manure fertilizers to use on their crops, instead of the petrochemicals which caused the runoff problem in the first place.
Another fine example of efficient pollution cleanup and a great way to help promote sustainable agriculture.
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Re: Transfer and storage of CO2 and O
Wed, February 18, 2009 - 8:37 AMWhat you're describing is called 'Aquaponics', a combination of hydroponics and aquaculture to grow plants using the waste products of fish to fertilize the plants and the plants to clean the water for the fish. There has been quite a bit of research in this area. I've been working on a set-up of my own for a while now. Currently I'm using store bought algae but will be adding an algae bioreactor soon.
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Re: Transfer and storage of CO2 and O
Wed, February 18, 2009 - 8:31 AMAquarium UV sterilizers have been used by aquarium enthusiasts for a long time, so it is a proven technology. They use high intensity ultraviolet light to kill free floating microbes - bacteria, fungi, viruses, parasites and algae.
Check Google for listings or Marine Depot at www.marinedepot.com/ps_Aquar...ndex.html
As for storing CO2 and O2, this is tricky. Its just easier to use some sort of air exchange that can be as simple as an aquarium air pump with a diffuser.