New lutes...

topic posted Thu, March 26, 2009 - 11:11 AM by  Steve
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Have been playing lutes for a while now and I've just commissioned a couple new instruments from Daniel Larson, so thought I'd share. He says he expects to be finished in November, so for me it'll be like an early Christmas. Though the woods and findings are a little different than pictured, here is a sneak peak on the makers site:

www.daniellarson.com/lutes/v...nere.htm

www.daniellarson.com/lutes/h...fman.htm

Pretty cool huh?
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Steve
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  • Re: New lutes...

    Thu, March 26, 2009 - 9:57 PM
    Steve , the music will be as sweet as the lovely instrument. I would love to hear the sound, will you be playing Dowland?
    • Re: New lutes...

      Fri, March 27, 2009 - 8:53 AM
      I have played Dowland in the past, but currently am on a late German Baroque/ pre-Classical kick.

      The instruments I commissioned are designed for playing two basic repertoires: the six course instrument will be for the early Italians, basically Francesco da Milano and ilk, and the larger instrument for Weiss. The swan neck was an attempt to make the bass louder in order to play continuo, but it (swan neck Baroque lute) was utilized as a solo instrument as well. I can play some Dowland on the smaller instrument, but for a large part of his music you need a seven course instrument. I already have an eight course Renaissance lute to engage Dowland with.

      In the Renaissance, a transitional period for the instrument, the lute went from 6 to 10 courses. The diapasons below the 6th are usually tune to a diatonic scale to which facilitated the growing complexity of the bass line. Eventually a new tuning produced in France, migrated to Germany for it's last leg. There are many types of lutes, and with the new ones, I'll have much of the music covered. Still, it would be cool to own a nice Theorbo...

      We are fortunate to live in a time of many great lutenists. The historic construction of the instrument and pedagogy is in full swing. This is approximately the 3rd or 4th generation of lutenists since it's revival and I encourage everyone to check them out on Youtube, or better yet buy a disc or two and support their work. It's hard to image that the lute was the Queen of instruments for almost five hundred years and was nearly lost to time.
      • Re: New lutes...

        Fri, March 27, 2009 - 4:05 PM
        Steve, I quote :"It's hard to image that the lute was the Queen of instruments for almost five hundred years and was nearly lost to time. "
        Possibly because it is darned hard to play well and expensive to make. We have several fine lutenists here in OZ but not much call for any concerts, they mainly play at specialised festivals and record.Here In Tasmania there exists a maker who uses all Tasmanian woods and produces instruments that are as much art as they are an instrument.
        • Re: New lutes...

          Fri, March 27, 2009 - 9:22 PM
          It don't find it as hard to play as it takes patience. Try tuning one in 95 degrees. My body heat can cause strings to slip and pegs pop across the room.

          As per expense, look at what mandolins, violins or even moderate priced vintage guitars cost, and think again. Lutes, at least by instrumentalist standards are fairly affordable. With a set of strings running in the hundreds of dollars and trying constantly to decide on set up (gut strings, nylon, etc...), it takes a lot of simply listening for what you like. Not to mention music, I just spent about $500. for two books by Weiss.

          The hardest part is not so much playing as it is tutelage and learning the ins and outs of each particular instrument. I've taken a few lessons from some fairly well known lutenists, but by far the instrument itself proves the greatest teacher. I remember Bream and Gerwig enthralling me with their interpretations at one point. I still admire them today, but the improvements in historic reconstruction, strings, and in general the early music has opened new doors as well. It's easy to look at early music as something lost. The true gift of the period instrumentalist is that of thirsty investigation and continued revision. Who knows what the true authentic sound is?

          Simply put, for me, music well played is music well made. It is so cool to floor punk rockers with a Vihuela.
          • Re: New lutes...

            Sat, March 28, 2009 - 12:45 AM
            Steve, Punks ? if it were Rappers I'd swing it not play it. "It is so cool to floor punk rockers with a Vihuela. " but I take your point. A violinist I knew as a teenager.played on a Guadagnini that the government here bought for her (carmel hakendorf) and even to a young lad the sound was just so different from that to her more modern instrument.This violin is passed onto the most up and coming young violinist here. I guess the old lutes are of the same quality of sound, depending of course on the maker.
            • Re: New lutes...

              Sat, March 28, 2009 - 10:33 AM
              Playable old lutes, with rare exception, simply don't exist. The tons of pressure on the neck and belly tends to destroy them. We are on about the 3rd generation of the 'new' makers, those prior to the 50's were building what is affectionately called glutes (guitar-lutes). Somewhere around the mid seventies the luthiers finally figured out the process through close examination of those instruments in museums and improvements slowly but surely occurred. Ttoday the instruments being built are about as historically accurate as one could possibly wish for.

              I think I've only heard a couple instruments that have been restored to playability. Hopkinson Smith recorded on a 1644 Railich, which can be heard on his disc of Dufaut, and Toyohiko Sato plays a 1613 Greiff that you can hear on his 'Style brise'. There is a great list of extant museum instruments in Robert Lunbgerg's 'Historical Lute Construction'. That book by the way is an amazing work which documents lute construction from beginning to end for those luthiers interested. Trouble is violin construction where the money is and only truly dedicated luthiers seem to pick up building lutes.

              Funny story for you. I was out with an instrument last week and had an elderly man correctly identify my Baroque lute from its case. When I asked him if he played too, he laughed at me and said he had better things to do than play a gourd with strings attached. Turns out he was a piano salesman from a nearby piano store. I laughed with him rather than argue the point, then showed him the instrument. That quickly shut him up.
              • Re: New lutes...

                Tue, March 31, 2009 - 8:40 AM
                "Better things to do than play an gourd with strings attached"

                Sounds to me like he's afraid to try, afraid to learn, or just afraid there isn't time.

                Hell, I've been trying to learn the violin with no instructor… that's bad enough. I don't know I'll every learn anything useful before I die – and I should still have a good 30 years to try…

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