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One afternoon(if memory serves righly it was in 1995) I was riding the city bus in Lakeland , Florida near where the former J.C. Penny department store building was ...which (by that time) had been purchased by some other business ...NOT a department store, and upon looking out the window of the city bus at people walking on the sidewalks or crossing streets ---either going to work, or going about other excursions ...it all suddenly looked very funny (though the people were not doing anything that would usually be considered funny ...it was just an average afternoon in town)...and I burst into something like a paroxysm of uncontrollable laughing .
I could hardly stop for quite some time ; it is a wonder I didn't fall out of my bus seat .
Taking apart the various components of mood and /or cognition , I report with accurate retrospection that it was as if the usual everyday sights lost their usual sense of dull mental habit associated with language ( i.e. of what you call things and events either out loud , or inwardly.... in the internal dialogue) that for a moment there was an instant of raw seeing of such ordinary sights and sounds ...and the throwness of them as being thrown together in that particular ensemble in that particular time and space either (A) seemed somehow absurd ...or (B) that it is seemed somehow unwieldy to fit that experience back into the usual descriptions of language (e.g. here are people crossing the street , walking on the sidewalks going to work, running errands ) .
I'm inclined to think the mentation involved was that of scenario (B) .
Yet I long to know what the deeper implication of that expereince is (if any) ?
Sometimes I laugh at apparently nothing or nothing other than the walk about daily events that aren't particularly funny--not at tragic events mind you (I certainly don't do that) but just the experiencer say of sitting on a chaiir or being in the room . My father in recent years in telephone discussions has confiderd to me that he also laughs sometimes at apparently every day events for no usual reason .
My uncle on my mother's side. Uncle Mike , who died in 2001 , would sometimes stand in front of a mirror and look at himself and burst out laughing intermittently .
What is the ideatum of such experiences ? What cosmic meanings do they signify , if any ?
(Yours truly is chary of using the term 'cosmic' cause it is sometimes used as a vague superlative) .
I could hardly stop for quite some time ; it is a wonder I didn't fall out of my bus seat .
Taking apart the various components of mood and /or cognition , I report with accurate retrospection that it was as if the usual everyday sights lost their usual sense of dull mental habit associated with language ( i.e. of what you call things and events either out loud , or inwardly.... in the internal dialogue) that for a moment there was an instant of raw seeing of such ordinary sights and sounds ...and the throwness of them as being thrown together in that particular ensemble in that particular time and space either (A) seemed somehow absurd ...or (B) that it is seemed somehow unwieldy to fit that experience back into the usual descriptions of language (e.g. here are people crossing the street , walking on the sidewalks going to work, running errands ) .
I'm inclined to think the mentation involved was that of scenario (B) .
Yet I long to know what the deeper implication of that expereince is (if any) ?
Sometimes I laugh at apparently nothing or nothing other than the walk about daily events that aren't particularly funny--not at tragic events mind you (I certainly don't do that) but just the experiencer say of sitting on a chaiir or being in the room . My father in recent years in telephone discussions has confiderd to me that he also laughs sometimes at apparently every day events for no usual reason .
My uncle on my mother's side. Uncle Mike , who died in 2001 , would sometimes stand in front of a mirror and look at himself and burst out laughing intermittently .
What is the ideatum of such experiences ? What cosmic meanings do they signify , if any ?
(Yours truly is chary of using the term 'cosmic' cause it is sometimes used as a vague superlative) .
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Re: Anyone Have A Similar Experience ? (What is the import of that sort of experience?)
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 10:41 AMThe neurometaphysical explanation is that laughter results from the tension between Yes/No. Rapid oscillation between the two states elicits laughter. Not saying that this decscribes every laugh state, but it is how some philosophers view it. -
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Re: Anyone Have A Similar Experience ? (What is the import of that sort of experience?)
Tue, October 20, 2009 - 12:39 PMInteresting postulate.
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Re: Anyone Have A Similar Experience ? (What is the import of that sort of experience?)
Mon, October 26, 2009 - 8:13 AMMr.Solari ,
Was hoping you'd elaborate further .
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Re: Anyone Have A Similar Experience ? (What is the import of that sort of experience?)
Sat, November 7, 2009 - 5:51 PMsmileing which is associate with laughter is a threat display in primates. Smileing originally is a sign of stress or fear. If you examine the nature of humor it typically involves a contriversial subject that is treated in a ridiculous way. First social tension is created then made safe, Laughter is a release of fear. Laughter is also a common reaction to horror movies and roller coasters. When something scary is revealed to be something safe, laughter occurs. There are all kinds of fear not all laughter is linked to personal safety. For instance clown create akward physcial moments such as ones pants falling down or slipping in public, our initial response is fear, then the realization that the event is staged and safe results in laughter. That is humor from physical fear, a comedian may present a story regarding race, such a story induces the fear of being offensive or racist, then when the comedian renders the punch line the fear is released and humor and laughter occurs. One could reduce fear to being the state between yes and no, basically fear is uncertianity. -
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Re: Anyone Have A Similar Experience ? (What is the import of that sort of experience?)
Wed, November 11, 2009 - 1:26 PM
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"...or (B) that it is seemed somehow unwieldy to fit that experience back into the usual descriptions of language. . ."
Laughter is quite commonly a form of emotional release, of a moment of joy, or suprise.
This occurs in the CONATIVE domain, not just the cognitive domain. It is also very much a whole body response, or can be, and it does relax the breath.
Re John:
"smileing [sic] which is associate with laughter is a threat display in primates"
I happen to be a primate, but I smile and laugh at home watching some videos. I get a really big grin and lotsa happiness from watching Gene Kelly videos, such as Summer Stock, An American In Paris, and Singing in the Rain. Again and again and again.
When I watch Gene Kelly videos, and smile, it is never associated with threat display. Just so you know.
Two nights ago I watched, for the first time, Animal House. I laughed a lot. No "threat display" nor anything like "something scary" there.
Just adolescent chaotic mischief type fun.
The meaning? What a person can and should do is relax into the non-languaged experience of connecting with oneself and others.
As the Dalai Lama ( who has a great booming laugh! ) says:
"We are all connected through the human spirit."
In my own emotional and psychological life, Shakespeare is very important, even central. Shakespeare continues to bring me to tears and laughter all these many years later. These two feelings can be very closely related, and that is not derivable from arithmetical topology nor Aristotelian dialectics.
As Galileo Galilei once said to Johannes Kepler:
"My dear Kepler, what shall we do? Shall we laugh or shall we cry?"
Well, both, if you have to deal with idiocy like Ludwig Wittgenstein. How pathetic is that nonsense?
I'll stick with Shakespeare, Gene Kelly and the Dalai Lama instead. Oh yeah, and William James.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_James
These are very aware and sensitive human beings.
KT, Buddhist psychologist and so forth
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Re: Anyone Have A Similar Experience ? (What is the import of that sort of experience?)
Sat, November 14, 2009 - 3:45 PMDear K ,
Those are some fascinating proposals . Please elaborate on what the conative domain is. I've heard that term , but I'm not familiar with it .
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Re: Anyone Have A Similar Experience ? (What is the import of that sort of experience?)
Sat, November 14, 2009 - 3:55 PM< happen to be a primate, but I smile and laugh at home watching some videos. I get a really big grin and lotsa happiness from watching Gene Kelly videos, such as Summer Stock, An American In Paris, and Singing in the Rain. Again and again and again.
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the point I made is that smiling evolved from a threat display. the baring of teeth was orginally a threat display, but then it as our intelligence evolved it was understood that if one was going to bare his teeth that his intention was intimidate rather then fight, so it became safe, and a response of comfort, a release of fear. Laughter and humor is likewise a release of fear, and is more prominate in societies and subcultures that are oppressed have a great deal of social fear.
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Re: Anyone Have A Similar Experience ? (What is the import of that sort of experience?)
Fri, November 13, 2009 - 8:05 AMIn my case, I'm sure the mescaline had something to do with it ;-) -
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Re: Anyone Have A Similar Experience ? (What is the import of that sort of experience?)
Sat, November 14, 2009 - 3:46 PMArt ,
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Mescaline
Sat, November 14, 2009 - 5:53 PMAt the time I was just sitting in the student union cafeteria at Princeton, and how seriously
everybody was taking their lives struck me as funny. I don't recall any visuals from mesc,
though I got plenty with acid initially, but
then a few years later on, I never got them...
I was lucky enough to hear Albert Hoffman lecture 1977 or 1978 at Oregon State,
on his synthesis of mescaline, and how his
Teutonic colleagues were taking on a
native Mexican appearance after he tried it. He also wasn't sure he got it right until he gave some
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Re: Mescaline
Sat, November 14, 2009 - 6:31 PMSounds interesting , Art .
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Synesthesia & Mescaline
Sat, November 14, 2009 - 6:58 PMI haven't had synesthesia, but my experience with the substance is limited to at most a few
occasions,and all thirty plus years ago!
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