en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manipulation
www.beth-young.com/batter.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manipulation
www.beth-young.com/batter.html
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Re: Mindgames and Manipulation
Wed, October 4, 2006 - 4:16 PMsomething a friend refered me to a few months ago when dealing with the same feelings of abuse in particular ambient abuse. we also discussed the lamplighter approach to making one feel weak and powerless.
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Re: Mindgames and Manipulation
Wed, October 4, 2006 - 4:46 PMAmbient abuse is the stealth, subtle, underground currents of maltreatment that sometimes go unnoticed even by the victims themselves, until it is too late. Ambient abuse penetrates and permeates everything – but is difficult to pinpoint and identify. It is ambiguous, atmospheric, diffuse. Hence its insidious and pernicious effects. It is by far the most dangerous kind of abuse there is.
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Yes, and most high level trolls and serious stalkers are doing this more than what people think of as trolling. Subtle stuff that they can getaway with. MamaGS is a study in somebody whos perfected ambient abuse; unless you know logic and psychology, you wouldn't realize shes just socially assassinated somebody or some idea.
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It is the outcome of fear – fear of violence, fear of the unknown, fear of the unpredictable, the capricious, and the arbitrary. It is perpetrated by dropping subtle hints, by disorienting, by constant – and unnecessary – lying, by persistent doubting and demeaning, and by inspiring an air of unmitigated gloom and doom ("gaslighting").
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Subtle insults and subtle ad homnems and other forms of subtle attack can be made so
well embdedded in a pretext that you have to literally read between the lines to see the attack for what it is.
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Ambient abuse, therefore, is the fostering, propagation, and enhancement of an atmosphere of fear, intimidation, instability, unpredictability and irritation. There are no acts of traceable explicit abuse, nor any manipulative settings of control. Yet, the irksome feeling remains, a disagreeable foreboding, a premonition, a bad omen.
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On the other hand, WildA is better at just being vaguely disagree-able. No one thing she says or does looks like an attack; just a bad mood, or curt responses. When measured against her normal communications with those she favors however, the difference is clear.
Its more of a cold shoulder, a subtle show of diaproval, a slow nagging dull pain of a sort of attack that she is a master of.
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In the long term, such an environment erodes the victim's sense of self-worth and self-esteem. Self-confidence is shaken badly. Often, the victim adopts a paranoid or schizoid stance and thus renders himself or herself exposed even more to criticism and judgment.
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This is true, and it can become a circularly manifesting problem. Also, with the problem of blaming the victim, such as what Andy is a master of, attempts to describe the abuse or abuser only end circularly in more abuse. So any effort to seek social recognition of the problem leads circularly back into the abusive cycle with those kinds of people running things.
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The roles are thus reversed: the victim is considered mentally deranged and the abuser – the suffering soul.
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Yes, thats often how things work with skillfull trolls.
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Re: Mindgames and Manipulation
Sun, June 3, 2007 - 8:33 PM
fascinating information!
all new to me.
trolls and stalkers sound like bullies.
the 1st thing they do is "make Someone wrong"
then Someone is expected to feel "guilty"
then, as Someone 'stews," the life force is sucked out of them
of course, that's only if Someone chooses to play the victim
(let others control them)
actually, Someone is still controlling Someone
the bully principal works only with Someone's total cooperation
participant or victim
pick one
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Re: Mindgames and Manipulation
Sun, June 3, 2007 - 9:26 PMvery true, but that kind of lucidity is very rare.
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ctually, Someone is still controlling Someone
the bully principal works only with Someone's total cooperation
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and if you don't understand pack psychology, it can be hard to understand whats going on.
people get sucked int o bad energy cycles ... i know i have.
it took learning that pacifism wasn't only about non violence, but also right action... it took a lot of years
for meto figure it out well.
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