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You won't find these threads on brainstorm any more because darren (predictably) deleted them.
Which i think proves the point rather well.
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oh please, its always finewhen satan starts three new threads about literally bullshit.
i have a better question for you.
why do you hang out with a bunch of abusive losers who suck down one good tribe of another into trollshit?
And thus, whats your real agenda other than silencing me? as usual?
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n order to have it, you have to define it. but rather than define it so that we can then work to obtain it, lets talk about what it isn't.
Free speech is not a pack of TROLLS and their ALTS determining that the geeks can't have a conversation by always trolling them down, trashing their threads, hijacking threads, being abusive, using slander and personal defamation, manipulation and headgames, and everything else to shut you or anybody that might have thought of talking to you up or out.
Free speech is not the same 25 personalities forming a troll clique and then systematically destroying/ consuming one tribe after another
and reveling the glory of their evil super powers.
Free speech is not a brainstorm tribe where bothering to post much beyond a one liner idea puts you in the firing gallery,
and free speech is not an obvious patent sociopath beating people up psychologically who runs how conveniently the management/user interface aspect of tribe.
Free speech is not a cult of asshats, keeping everybody else from communicating, nor is it a cult of control freaks, keeping everybody else
from communicating.
To hear the TROLLZ tell it, free speech means that they should by definition get to say whatever they want and thats that.
They should be able to libel, stalk, harass, defame, abuse, use abusive language, mock, and use logical fallacies and propaganda
to beat you down; not with sense, nor reason, nor as shatter would have us believe with his utterly shallow and insipid imitation of
"compassion."
But with mere noise, nonsense, and mockery.
Thats the troll idea. and most social networks and most twentieth century institutions have bought this, hook line and sinker.
They figure anything else is either too governmental or too complicated, and nobody really knows how to represent a rules based system
that would protect real free speech, let alone implement one in a program, .... so nobody bothers.
Erstwhile, civilization goes to hell in a handbasket as does tribe and most everything else because geeks of the true variety are outnumbered 100 to one by evil bastards, and 1000 to one by pack psychology sleepwalkers.
Pearls and swine, pearls and swine, flushing it all down as we go and its all trod under and gone....
the conversations we pretended to have, while trollz spewed the place with the shit guaranteed to cover over and thus functionally erase any gems.
What then is free speech? free speech is the simple proposition that people should be able to say what they want; AS WELL AS HAVE THE KIND OF CONVERSATION THEY ARE LOOKING FOR. Otherwise, all any of you are doing is going and talking to an empty forest,
and the most of the lot of you thus wouldn't pass a good turing test.
Free speech is not me trying to talk about things and then people attacking me for trying to talk. it is not about shatters egotism or his utter
ignorance or his headgame vampire parasite head trip.
It is not Mr M freaking out and having a cow on my thread and then later admitting that he was there simply to silence me and anybody else
i might try to talk with.
It is not skooter, who, tho his intentions are much better, lives in that environment and who thus has become a bit too gun happy,
spritzing you with bullets that make no sense.
Free speech is when the geeks can have their geek conversations and the trolls can have their conversations.
Not when the trolls can pre-empt any geek conversation, and not when geeks pre-emptively demand that trollz always behave.
To hear the trollz tell it society is in mortal danger from the geeks imposing some sort of fascistic moderation scheme.
This is a total reversal and doublethink and projection. The truth is that these people are actively engaged in social warfare
for ego purposes, and they are thus social parasites who want an easy slaughter of fresh innocents.
The truth is that its the geeks who for the love of god cannot find one damn good intellectual conversation on all of tribe...
or for that matter, one good intellectual.
Free speech is not catering to trollz and letting them drive anybody else away, and it is not listening to the idea of free speech contorted into
a weapon against itself and believing in that as a dogmatic delusion.
Free speech is for the most part nowhere to be found in your civilization. everybody talks but nobody listens. Most people don;t have anything worth listening too anyways, and it forms a circular habit. As parrot chatter affirming the existence of ego and social identity,
thats great. but tribe has a 99th percentile tribe thats obviously been infiltrated by the same old crew of tribe trolls all with IQs under 120.
Its got a tou watchdog tribe that is now renamed tou corndog. I'm sure thats a comic relief.
Everywhere you look on tribe its the same thing. every major conversation space on tribe is shit because there is so little moderation and
so few people left with any intelligence.
One only has to look around a lot more to see interesting differences. Go to some chat zone site where your only allowed a one sentence contribution at once. stay on it for three days straight and then come back and tell me it has any meaning compared to a full conversation
with things like paragraphs.
It works great for children, the socially inept, or people with IQs under 90. For the rest of us, theres too little bandwidth.
TROLLZ and anti free speech are the same thing. its bandwidth control, and it drives everything stupid. This suits trolls fine because the reason why they are the way they are in the first place is that they are only able to think in terms of competition with a population that they
more or less consciously or subconsciously know is composed of their intellectual superiors. All TROLLZ are overcompensators for
their lack of social skills and their lack of intelligence.
And tribe buys it. And tribe expects anybody other than TROLLZ and sheeple to stick around.
"You are free to make your own tribe."?
And do what with it exactly?
Spend thousands of hours competing with troll tribes to lure sheeple back to my tribe?
Participate myself in the scam of it all and actually go find intellectuals to bring as fresh meat to TRIBES
canned troll food factory?
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so why are you only against free speech when i'm the one talking?
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yes.
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are you actually talking
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yes, i am actually talking. events of recent have made me reanalyze my relationship with tribe and all i find is disease and wasted
time.
I think theres a point to be made there... technically in most respects tribe lost me as a user a long time ago.
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or manifesting a surging tide of existential discontent within yourself,
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yes, thats there fer sure. i keep coming back to this tribe and trying to work things out with TRIBE and etc...
and what do i get for it? a lot and a lot of thank yous from people who are literally too scared shitless to come in here and post.
and shit from the same old people who make those people too shitless to come in here and post.
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culminating in some unexpurgated tidal wave of blah on the internet that really only ultimately reflects the same things you are railing against?
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Reality is funny like that. to carry communication across when all else fails, sometimes joining them to beat them is the only method thats
got a chance.
I find the whole thing disasterously distasteful and i am sure anybody else probably does 2.
But facts are facts, and so we arrive back at square one.
TRIBE is one of the internets worst trollahattens, and a primary reason why is that the old staff were trolls, these people didn't and now don't have much for communication skills, and blaming the victims and denying culpability is just that easy, whereas talking about or resolving the problems is just that hard.
TRibe nearly fell down the last time because the staff broke into three warring parties. And then you have pinkus VS darren.
You'd think we cold learn the lesson without repeating history.
Just because tribe CAN let anything go doesn't mean it should, and abusers and head gamers should be dealt with fairly
by dealing with the shit they raise - not deleting profiles.
Having a PET TROLL in the management -user liason position aka Shatter does what to the system?
in auto inserts abuse and troll shit as the communication style into all of the tribe tribes, which then sends the signal all through tribe
of how low the standards really are.
I shouldn't need to point out that this guy is a chronic habitual liar, that he exists in this room primarily to get his ego kicks off shooting
people down(and making sure all anti troll measures are defeated.) And that hes said things which would technically make him and tribe suitable for libel... almost on a daily basis.
Yeah, i think we should talk about it rather than sweep it under the carpet, and on top of that, if tribe can't face this problem here and now,
then it never will, and any promises it may have made to me become moot as carrots attached to fairy tales.
Either it matters to TRIBE, or it doesn't. If it DOES, then lets deal with it rather than pretending its not an issue so we don't have to.
If it doesn't, then my job is to cram it down tribes throat how much they suck until they finally use their moderator tools on me exactly in
contradiction to their own pre-stated moderation terms.
Or leave tribe, period.
Leaving tribe period isn't that bad of an idea.
of course, fixing it is a much better idea.
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You won't find these threads on brainstorm any more because darren (predictably) deleted them.
Which i think proves the point rather well.
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oh please, its always finewhen satan starts three new threads about literally bullshit.
i have a better question for you.
why do you hang out with a bunch of abusive losers who suck down one good tribe of another into trollshit?
And thus, whats your real agenda other than silencing me? as usual?
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n order to have it, you have to define it. but rather than define it so that we can then work to obtain it, lets talk about what it isn't.
Free speech is not a pack of TROLLS and their ALTS determining that the geeks can't have a conversation by always trolling them down, trashing their threads, hijacking threads, being abusive, using slander and personal defamation, manipulation and headgames, and everything else to shut you or anybody that might have thought of talking to you up or out.
Free speech is not the same 25 personalities forming a troll clique and then systematically destroying/ consuming one tribe after another
and reveling the glory of their evil super powers.
Free speech is not a brainstorm tribe where bothering to post much beyond a one liner idea puts you in the firing gallery,
and free speech is not an obvious patent sociopath beating people up psychologically who runs how conveniently the management/user interface aspect of tribe.
Free speech is not a cult of asshats, keeping everybody else from communicating, nor is it a cult of control freaks, keeping everybody else
from communicating.
To hear the TROLLZ tell it, free speech means that they should by definition get to say whatever they want and thats that.
They should be able to libel, stalk, harass, defame, abuse, use abusive language, mock, and use logical fallacies and propaganda
to beat you down; not with sense, nor reason, nor as shatter would have us believe with his utterly shallow and insipid imitation of
"compassion."
But with mere noise, nonsense, and mockery.
Thats the troll idea. and most social networks and most twentieth century institutions have bought this, hook line and sinker.
They figure anything else is either too governmental or too complicated, and nobody really knows how to represent a rules based system
that would protect real free speech, let alone implement one in a program, .... so nobody bothers.
Erstwhile, civilization goes to hell in a handbasket as does tribe and most everything else because geeks of the true variety are outnumbered 100 to one by evil bastards, and 1000 to one by pack psychology sleepwalkers.
Pearls and swine, pearls and swine, flushing it all down as we go and its all trod under and gone....
the conversations we pretended to have, while trollz spewed the place with the shit guaranteed to cover over and thus functionally erase any gems.
What then is free speech? free speech is the simple proposition that people should be able to say what they want; AS WELL AS HAVE THE KIND OF CONVERSATION THEY ARE LOOKING FOR. Otherwise, all any of you are doing is going and talking to an empty forest,
and the most of the lot of you thus wouldn't pass a good turing test.
Free speech is not me trying to talk about things and then people attacking me for trying to talk. it is not about shatters egotism or his utter
ignorance or his headgame vampire parasite head trip.
It is not Mr M freaking out and having a cow on my thread and then later admitting that he was there simply to silence me and anybody else
i might try to talk with.
It is not skooter, who, tho his intentions are much better, lives in that environment and who thus has become a bit too gun happy,
spritzing you with bullets that make no sense.
Free speech is when the geeks can have their geek conversations and the trolls can have their conversations.
Not when the trolls can pre-empt any geek conversation, and not when geeks pre-emptively demand that trollz always behave.
To hear the trollz tell it society is in mortal danger from the geeks imposing some sort of fascistic moderation scheme.
This is a total reversal and doublethink and projection. The truth is that these people are actively engaged in social warfare
for ego purposes, and they are thus social parasites who want an easy slaughter of fresh innocents.
The truth is that its the geeks who for the love of god cannot find one damn good intellectual conversation on all of tribe...
or for that matter, one good intellectual.
Free speech is not catering to trollz and letting them drive anybody else away, and it is not listening to the idea of free speech contorted into
a weapon against itself and believing in that as a dogmatic delusion.
Free speech is for the most part nowhere to be found in your civilization. everybody talks but nobody listens. Most people don;t have anything worth listening too anyways, and it forms a circular habit. As parrot chatter affirming the existence of ego and social identity,
thats great. but tribe has a 99th percentile tribe thats obviously been infiltrated by the same old crew of tribe trolls all with IQs under 120.
Its got a tou watchdog tribe that is now renamed tou corndog. I'm sure thats a comic relief.
Everywhere you look on tribe its the same thing. every major conversation space on tribe is shit because there is so little moderation and
so few people left with any intelligence.
One only has to look around a lot more to see interesting differences. Go to some chat zone site where your only allowed a one sentence contribution at once. stay on it for three days straight and then come back and tell me it has any meaning compared to a full conversation
with things like paragraphs.
It works great for children, the socially inept, or people with IQs under 90. For the rest of us, theres too little bandwidth.
TROLLZ and anti free speech are the same thing. its bandwidth control, and it drives everything stupid. This suits trolls fine because the reason why they are the way they are in the first place is that they are only able to think in terms of competition with a population that they
more or less consciously or subconsciously know is composed of their intellectual superiors. All TROLLZ are overcompensators for
their lack of social skills and their lack of intelligence.
And tribe buys it. And tribe expects anybody other than TROLLZ and sheeple to stick around.
"You are free to make your own tribe."?
And do what with it exactly?
Spend thousands of hours competing with troll tribes to lure sheeple back to my tribe?
Participate myself in the scam of it all and actually go find intellectuals to bring as fresh meat to TRIBES
canned troll food factory?
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so why are you only against free speech when i'm the one talking?
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yes.
:)
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are you actually talking
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yes, i am actually talking. events of recent have made me reanalyze my relationship with tribe and all i find is disease and wasted
time.
I think theres a point to be made there... technically in most respects tribe lost me as a user a long time ago.
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or manifesting a surging tide of existential discontent within yourself,
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yes, thats there fer sure. i keep coming back to this tribe and trying to work things out with TRIBE and etc...
and what do i get for it? a lot and a lot of thank yous from people who are literally too scared shitless to come in here and post.
and shit from the same old people who make those people too shitless to come in here and post.
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culminating in some unexpurgated tidal wave of blah on the internet that really only ultimately reflects the same things you are railing against?
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Reality is funny like that. to carry communication across when all else fails, sometimes joining them to beat them is the only method thats
got a chance.
I find the whole thing disasterously distasteful and i am sure anybody else probably does 2.
But facts are facts, and so we arrive back at square one.
TRIBE is one of the internets worst trollahattens, and a primary reason why is that the old staff were trolls, these people didn't and now don't have much for communication skills, and blaming the victims and denying culpability is just that easy, whereas talking about or resolving the problems is just that hard.
TRibe nearly fell down the last time because the staff broke into three warring parties. And then you have pinkus VS darren.
You'd think we cold learn the lesson without repeating history.
Just because tribe CAN let anything go doesn't mean it should, and abusers and head gamers should be dealt with fairly
by dealing with the shit they raise - not deleting profiles.
Having a PET TROLL in the management -user liason position aka Shatter does what to the system?
in auto inserts abuse and troll shit as the communication style into all of the tribe tribes, which then sends the signal all through tribe
of how low the standards really are.
I shouldn't need to point out that this guy is a chronic habitual liar, that he exists in this room primarily to get his ego kicks off shooting
people down(and making sure all anti troll measures are defeated.) And that hes said things which would technically make him and tribe suitable for libel... almost on a daily basis.
Yeah, i think we should talk about it rather than sweep it under the carpet, and on top of that, if tribe can't face this problem here and now,
then it never will, and any promises it may have made to me become moot as carrots attached to fairy tales.
Either it matters to TRIBE, or it doesn't. If it DOES, then lets deal with it rather than pretending its not an issue so we don't have to.
If it doesn't, then my job is to cram it down tribes throat how much they suck until they finally use their moderator tools on me exactly in
contradiction to their own pre-stated moderation terms.
Or leave tribe, period.
Leaving tribe period isn't that bad of an idea.
of course, fixing it is a much better idea.
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Fri, February 13, 2009 - 12:19 PMi have much to my joy now been successfully kicked out of two tribes in under 48 hours for trying to do the right thing on tribe.
While the first was a bit more manic and with an outcome i expected different, i more or less let darren prove to me summarily that hes an asshole.
I'm sorry everybody, but the decision i am making for myself at this point is that tribe is evil, it will always be evil, and that any energy i give it
is only me enabling it and empowering it.
If anybody has any ideas about some other place to have a community, i am all ears.
other than that, i'm thinking i'll unsub both of my profiles in a week or two.
if anybody should want to email me its prometheuspan@hotmail.com
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Fri, February 13, 2009 - 4:17 PMI haven't been in brainstorm for a while.. since.. well I have a hard time being beaten to death with words.. brainstorming doesn't mean arguing..(when I was tired I left for a while)
Your style of posting is a tad bit overwhelming and not everyone is willing to be patient... and of course some people figured out how to push your buttons and you allowed them to... I do it myself all the damn time.. you would think we would learn..(I allow people to push my buttons)
Then of course there are people who don't want to hear anything you have to say they have a preset notion that what you have to say is geek speak and too much of it...so they don't bother to read any of it and just attack/mock/ delete you for it...
Honestly I don't think you can blame Darren in this situation... since it is a tribe sponsored tribe it is quite possible that it is multi monitored like your TOU Watchdogs... why do you feel the need to be involved in tribes that you feel like you have to fight?
Isnt there any topics that you are interested in that you can have a civilized conversation.. I know your capable of it.. I've seen it...
of course if you choose to leave tribe we cant stop you but I wish you wouldnt'... Plokk D Rainbo
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Fri, February 13, 2009 - 4:40 PMPlease pan,
I know how sweet you really are
I know how much you have to offer
how kind you can be
How "fearless" you can make me feel
don't go away..................
Take a deep breath.....
breath in.........breath out..............
re-group
re-coup
geek .......................
heal thyself!
And...................
Laugh ......
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Fri, February 13, 2009 - 5:39 PMPleeze donut leave. I have been thru so much shit on tribe for 4 years and I am still here...And my stalker is still going at it full strength. -
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Fri, February 13, 2009 - 6:04 PMPlokk your light is out again
clap if you believe in Pan
clap....Clap.....clap.......
Clap if you belive in Pan
clap.......clap......clap......
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Re: why TRIBE is a waste of time
Fri, February 13, 2009 - 6:21 PMhas Pan drawn a line in the sand?
Pan Pan Pan
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Fri, February 13, 2009 - 8:14 PMyeah, i am afraid i have drawn a line in the sand. to reiterate from email...
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look, to be frank, the situation is i have only been holding on to membership in a sort of token sense for two years.
Tribe has serious serious serious problems i don't want to be a part of or near any more.
I have done everything in my power reasonable to communicate with them. My method may be overall to geeky and too yang.
lol.
But what can be done? you say it simple and they just glaze over....
You can always email david@tribe.net if you wish to tell your take on the whole thing...lol...
Which might even make him change his mind...lol...
on the other hand, its kind of like believing you can talk the devil out of being evil.
He can't change his nature and he isn't going to listen to you... not really.
On the third thought, you could post this all over tribe and get everybody to do it. lol.
i mean, the real truth is davids totally fooled. he thinks the 5 TROLLZ hes got in the tribe tribes actually represent tribers.
All thats really happened is that they drive everybody else out.
What he needs is 101 wake up calls.
Other than that... I'm actually an angel. This stuff i can do it but its actually harder on ME than it would even be on a normal person.
its just not worth it any more for me to be on tribe when all i can see is the big pitchfork festival.
It hurts too much, yo.
be my fearless hero and go post that on plokks tribe and see how many people we can get to stand up for the
peace and love side of the force?
i don't know. i have no expectations any more... if it suddenly changes, great. other wise, i'm exhausted and
realizing that the positive energy i can give them only inflates their frankenstein monsters.
I can't help them make a better tribe 3 and i can't post smart good reliable moderation ideas where all they will
be used for is as troll reference guides for reverse engineering.
I can't live in a TRIBE without "love." (and something resembling intelligent conversation...)
You wake up two weeks have gone by and you realize you have just thrown your energy- all of it- into a big
fat troll garbage compaction machine...
And you think toyourself... Geee... self.... that was pretty dumb.
And then you go look at all of your empty tribes... and you think... the TROLLISHNESS of TRIBE...
has driven all of MY KIND away.
I'm in the last of the holdouts. any other true geeks live in isolated tribes and don't peruse the neighborhoods.
lol.
I'm also orders of magnitude more eccentric than anybody else is... lol... just go look at my tribes...
anyways... nobodies that into what i'm into... and i am not that into what they are into...
whats left?
me hanging out on a social network designed by bullies to use people like me as mind fuck rape victims?
uhmmmmmm.....
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Fri, February 13, 2009 - 8:26 PMHonestly I don't think you can blame Darren in this situation... since it is a tribe sponsored tribe it is quite possible that it is multi monitored like your TOU Watchdogs... why do you feel the need to be involved in tribes that you feel like you have to fight?
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Wheres the energy? Wheres 100 people to inhabit this tribe?
in some other tribe right now, wasting time.
probably being ragged on by a TROLL.
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Isnt there any topics that you are interested in that you can have a civilized conversation.. I know your capable of it.. I've seen it...
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i have two dozen emptry tribes of my creation plokk. i find them fascinating. nobody else seems to really get it.
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of course if you choose to leave tribe we cant stop you but I wish you wouldnt'... Plokk D Rainbo
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i thank you all so very much its nice to have people here to miss one. My suggestion overall is maybe i just on't unsub. lol.
overall tho, i am on my way out. thats certain unless i see TRIBE suddenly wake up.
I can help them design a better tribe for features and i can even flow chart and draw and post images and all that for them in theory.
But i'm not going to make a TROLL hatten "pretty" just so it can attract more suckers....
When you have a native high IQ problem solving intelligence your first impulse is to try to solve problems. And i have.
These problems won't solve unless a whole lot more people than me start fighting for them a whole lot smarter than i have
appeared in general to fight...
IE... start pming the staff and telling them what you really think of the situation. lol.
I don't ask that of you and i don't want to push anybody into anything.
I have no more forces to commit on my end. If you guys want to go have a grand adventure;
have at it. if not... its no big deal. other than that...
At the very least i need to go away for six months and forget about tribe.
and NOT give them any brainstorming ideas.
(or...david emails me and we talk..lol)
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Fri, February 13, 2009 - 8:35 PMHonestly I don't think you can blame Darren in this situation..
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yes, yes actually i can... he deleted it, it was targeted to him, he reacted as i predicted.
Pay close attention is all i can say to that. lol.
they read for a few moments :"deleted by darren."
Everybody should be clear on this point. I'm the jerk for running a reality test. hes a jerk for flunking it.
What did he just do? prove that no matter which way you go, theres no such thing as free speech on his tribe.
in that sense I win in formal logic; i prove he knows full well hes got the problem and covering for it.
And that the rules are all played by favorites according to whim.
IE; its fine for mr M to use obscene language, libel, and attack everybody on a thread to the point that 2 other people point out hes being abusive. Its fine for shatter to spam my threads and attack me withour merit and without mercy.
But try to point out the truth in the situation?
its shouted down by the same pack of predictable accomplices.
I can ALSO blame wild apache and patti for their expanded roles in threads i didn't have saved.
They suggested, in turn, that i was trolling and then that i was spamming.
The problem with both assertions is that while certainly frank, my questions were relative to a brainstorming session question and problem solving process. Yeah, i was blunt. But thats the thing, theres no way to get the message across. You tell them nicely and they
ignore you. you tell them loudly they delete you. what is that? fascism by headgame and domination ego trips and moderators sided with the TROLLZ.
I'm not a troll, i'm a geek. i'm not spamming, because i am inherently on topic on multiple fronts.
yes, i am having an intense conversation, but, it sure is interesting how their free speech rules only apply to me.
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Fri, February 13, 2009 - 11:05 PMI'm sorry.. I understand your frustration.. but since I wasn't in the tribe you were booted from.. I wasn't privy to the conversations...as such I can't go email anyone and speak with any sense of knowing... especially since threads were censored...
wow.. Darren just made a couple of those brainstorms moot.. lol oh well still not going in there.. hope you stop back in here from time to time.
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Re: why TRIBE is a waste of time
Sun, February 15, 2009 - 1:49 AMthanks plokk, much love.
Heres my communication with david. I can't share what he wrote me, maybe if you write him he will chat with ya.
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well, thats very clear and honest of you, thanks.
I feel increasingly drained by this whole thing and concerned that if things can't be addressed as they are now,
they won't be and can't be. I don't know how you can proceed forward when the social situation is inherently broken.
I don't understand why you don't moderate your own tribes to set some kind of example, or why you can't create at least one
tribe with high levels of moderation and feature it to at least demonstrate the alternative.
I value our communications highly and i respect you personally...
i reality tested you hard and you passed with flying colors...
but when i think about trying to collaborate with darren....
???
Is that even possible? I don't have a shred of evidence that it is,
and all the evidence that i do have tells me that between him and shatter
Tribe is a trollhatten by design.
I hope you can build something i will like 2.
In theory you can't possibly build anything solid until you fix the elephant in the living room thats busting things up as they
go along.
Although i would be pleased to have you personally be victorious in such a drama,
And as much as i do look forward to seeing what you can all put out there...
A trollhatten with more bells and whistles is still a trollhatten. It gets prettier, but the same problems just
take all of that good work and desecrate it.
Until you take hold and command of your ship captain...
Darren and shatter are steering it for you full speed ahead to hell.
And the outcome of that in terms of systems theory is a rock stupid brainstorming tribe where you COULD have had
a brilliant user feedback based think tank.
The energy you will ever have to fix the problems on your other priority list will always be directly limited by whether or not
you can actually create clear and open communication.
You will never create clear and open communication when 99 percent of your potential participants refuse to enter the tribe
in question because they know the odds are high that they will then be verbally abused, that they will have no recourse to address
that abuse, and that the abuser is in fact in tight with management and so is above reproach.
As i might tell obama. There is no other way out of your dilemma but what i have told you.
Anything else is choosing to stay in hell and let its dynamic entropies ruin everything else you are trying to build.
The nuclear power thing won't work obama. Not over the long term for two good reasons. First it just makes us
dependent on a very rare form of fuel, and second, there is no way to make it green or clean over the long term.
there is no sane use for biofuels in a situation where we face global warming and where we would be trading a fuel
shortage for a food shortage. Solar power is great, but you'd have to spend a quadrillion dollars to redo the grid on
solar, and wind or tidal would cost even more. The only obvious good way out is geothermal.
At one point in time i thought this understanding required of me to scream it at the top of my lungs. But you know what
i realized? It truly is the only way out. they will either do it or they won't and civilization will either fail or it won't.
But they won't listen to me because i'm not a luxocrat so i might as well save my breathe.
No matter what i do, the country is more or less doomed at that point unless we embrace geothermal power as the core solution
within the next ten years. Peak oil and global warming ensure that things are about to get pretty hard core on planet earth,
unless we stop polluting and find ways to get ozone back up into the upper atmosphere.
Obamas bailout funds could have with wisdom bought the one thing that could actually save us and employ all those people and jump
start the economy. but it doesn't and it won't.
So now we get to watch the learning curve and pay the costs. We get to choke a little harder and see even more of our kids get cancer
and watch as global warming enhances all global weather. We get to pay 10 dollars per gallon for gas and wonder why the car companies didn't
drop down to 200 mile sto the gallon back in the 70s when we first figured out how.
People will suffer. And things will get worse. And if anybody in the obama campaign had had the sense to listen, i could have prevented all that.
In the same manner, i am sure you are a very busy man as president of tribe. but if you think you can accomplish much of anything without
being lucid and clear about what problems are truly the most important to solve first...
Then you will learn six months or a year or two years from now, the much harder way, that you maybe should have dropped everything...
re-aligned your senses and priorities, and started solving the real problems that underly why you can't hardly get anything done.
All of that drama and suffering... Tiz a pity.
Me? screaming at the world to listen cuz i know better?
LOL.
I'm so done.
www.youtube.com/watch
if you need us....
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