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topic posted Mon, April 27, 2009 - 10:07 AM by  ALLAH God of...
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The worthless treasonous monster is playing fast and loose with national security solely to have a pissing match with Cheney.


It is a felony ( treason) to give aid and comfort to enemies of the state and handing them the sort of shit that's in those torture materials is aid and comfort given directly to an enemy of the state.
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  • As opposed to selling out the state so Halliburton can get no bid contracts. post record profits. And move offshore to avoid taxes.
    • as opposed to lying & faking "evidence" to bomb to rubble so the soldiers can invade and directly cause the death of hundreds of thousands of people (Lancet study says over 1.1 million) in Iraq who never did one goddam thing against the US but live under the US-installed puppet Saddam?

      as opposed to completely cancelling the Bill of Rights in a short eight years?

      as opposed...oh fuck it the list is so long I don't have that many days to sit here as I've got chores to do!!!! Obama is following the script, letting out torture memos but NOT implementing the laws that cover those acts. He's just another corporate-owned clown is all. Kucinich is the only candidate who should have been elected.

      Because he released torture memos...but outing a deep cover CIA y working to stop nuclear bomb proliferation (Valerie Plame, you forget or something about what Wanker and Dick did to her?) wasn't worth impeaching those two? Or how about this:

      DOJ Prosecuted Texas Sheriff in 1983 For Waterboarding Prisoners
      Written by Jason Leopold
      Tuesday, 21 April 2009 21:47
      By Jason Leopold

      In 1983, the Justice Department prosecuted a Texas sheriff and three of his deputies for waterboarding prisoners to get them to confess to crimes.

      The deputies were sentenced to four years in prison and Parker pleaded guilty to extortion and federal civil rights violations and received a 10-year sentence. Parker admitted that he had operated a “marijuana trap” on U.S. Highway 59, arrested suspects, and, according to court documents, subjected “prisoners to a suffocating water torture ordeal in order to coerce confessions.

      “This generally included the placement of a towel over the nose and mouth of the prisoner and the pouring of water in the towel until the prisoner began to move, jerk, or otherwise indicate that he was suffocating and/or drowning,” the complaint said, which referred to the technique as “water torture.”

      Yet nowhere in the four “torture” memos released by the Justice Department last week that authorized the CIA to waterboard detainees do the attorneys who drafted the legal opinions mention the federal case U.S. v Parker et al, in which San Jacinto County Sheriff James Parker and three deputies-- Carl Lee, Floyd Allen Baker and John Glover—were found guilty of torturing at least six prisoners between 1976 and 1980 in a rural part of the state 60 miles outside of Houston.

      The failure to cite U.S v Parker, as well as a half-dozen other precedent setting cases that dealt with torture, is reportedly one of the critical findings of a Justice Department watchdog report that legal sources said concluded “professional standards” were violated by former Office of Legal Counsel chiefs Jay Bybee and Steven Bradbury and former Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Yoo.

      Bybee is now a federal judge on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. Yoo is a constitutional law professor at the University of California, Berkeley and a visiting professor at Chapman University in Orange, Calif.

      One of the key legal arguments contained in Bybee’s Aug. 1, 2002 legal memo was that waterboarding, which was used on three alleged “high-value” detainees a combined 266 times in the span of one month, was not torture because it does not “inflict physical pain.”

      “You have informed us that this procedure does not inflict actual physical harm,” says Bybee’s 18-page opinion. “Thus, although the subject may experience the fear or panic associated with the feeling of drowning, the waterboard does not inflict physical pain... The waterboard is simply a controlled acute episode, lacking the connotation of a protracted period of time generally given to suffering.”

      Bybee, whose memo was prepared for John Rizzo, the acting general counsel of the CIA, said he based his decision to authorize the use of waterboarding as well as nine other brutal interrogation methods on “our best reading of the law.”

      “However, you should be aware that there are no cases construing this statute, just as there have been no prosecutions brought under it,” Bybee wrote.

      The statute Bybee was referring to is U.S.C. § 2340 [the Convention Against Torture], which makes it a crime for any “person acting under the color of law” to “inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control.”

      That law was not yet in existence when Parker and the deputies were prosecuted and sentenced. But Bybee, Bradbury and Yoo had a duty to their legal profession to cite the case as it would have changed the substance of their legal opinions, said Scott Horton, a human rights attorney and constitutional expert.

      “Any competent legal adviser would, among other things, have looked at the techniques themselves and checked to see how they have been treated in prior cases,” Horton said in an interview conducted via e-mail. “Obviously the Anti-Torture Statute itself is a very recent invention and it has no enforcement history, so saying that and then suggesting on this basis that the situation is tabula rasa is highly disingenuous.”

      Horton believes Bybee, Yoo and Bradbury were well aware of the case law but simply chose to ignore it in order to give the Bush administration what it had asked for.

      “To take one example, there was a court-martial addressing the practice of waterboarding from 1903, a state court case from the twenties, a series of prosecutions at the Tokyo Tribunal (in many of which the death penalty was sought) and another court-martial in 1968,” Horton said. “These precedents could have been revealed in just a few minutes of computerized research using the right search engines. It's hard to imagine that Yoo and Bybee didn't know them.

      “So why are none of these precedents mentioned? Obviously because each of them contradicts the memo's conclusions and would have to be distinguished away. Professional rules would have required that these precedents be cited, failing to do so reflects incompetent analysis.”

      In fact, OPR investigated whether the former Justice Department attorneys purposely twisted their legal advice to the White House and knowingly avoided citing existing case law in order to reach conclusions the White House wanted. It’s unknown what OPR has concluded in this respect as the final version of the report is now being changed.

      In an Aug. 1, 2002 opinion written by Yoo for then-White House counsel Alberto Gonzales that had been previously published, Yoo stated that President Bush could not be bound by laws outlawing torture because of his constitutional authority to use military force.

      "As Commander in Chief, the President has the constitutional authority to order interrogations of enemy combatants to gain intelligence information concerning the military plans of the enemy," said the 50-page memo entitled “Standards of Conduct for Interrogation.

      But in that opinion, Yoo failed to cite Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, a 1952 Supreme Court case that addressed President Harry Truman’s order to seize steel mills that had been shut down in a labor dispute during the Korean War. Truman believed the strike threatened national defense and thus he could act under his Article II powers in the Constitution.

      But the Supreme Court overturned Truman’s order, saying, “the President's power, if any, to issue the order must stem either from an act of Congress or from the Constitution itself.” Since Congress hadn’t delegated such authority to Truman, the Supreme Court ruled that Truman’s actions were unconstitutional, with an influential concurring opinion written by Justice Robert Jackson.

      Yoo offered up a defense of his failure to cite Youngstown in his 2006 book, War by Other Means. Yoo wrote, “we didn’t cite Jackson’s individual views in Youngstown because earlier OLC opinions, reaching across several administrations, had concluded that it had no application to the President’s conduct of foreign affairs and national security.”

      Yoo added, “Youngstown reached the outcome it did because the Constitution clearly gives Congress, not the President, the exclusive power to make law concerning labor disputes. It does not address the scope of Commander-in-Chief power involving military strategy or intelligence tactics in war. …

      “Detention and interrogation policy are at the heart of the President’s Commander-in-Chief power to wage war, and long constitutional history supports the President’s leading role on such matters.”

      But Horton disagrees with Yoo’s legal reasoning. “The Youngstown case is considered the lodestar precedent addressing the President's invocation of Commander-in-Chief powers away from a battlefield,” Horton told me via e-mail.

      “Justice Jackson's opinion is the most persuasive of the opinions justifying the decision,” Horton said. “If you examine any treatise on national security law, you'll find them at the core. Moreover, the Supreme Court itself in subsequent opinions has highlighted their importance.

      “It's obvious that Yoo failed to cite them not because he believed they were off point (as he rather lamely suggests), but because they strongly contradicted the premise he was articulating.

      “But a lawyer crafting an opinion has a duty of candor that requires that he identify and distinguish adverse precedent that a court might consider controlling. In essence, Yoo was free to articulate whatever cockeyed theories he wanted. He was not free to suppress the existence of Supreme Court authority that went in the opposite direction. But that's exactly what he did.”

      The four legal opinions released last week attempt to make the case that the “enhanced interrogations” of admitted terrorists needed to be done in order to save American lives and foil plans to attack the U.S. Republicans who have defended the Bush administration’s torture program have likened the “high-value” detainees to mass murderers who don’t deserve to be treated humanely.

      At the trial of the Texas sheriff, Scott Woodward, an Assistant U.S. Attorney, said the prisoners who were subjected to waterboarding were not “model citizens” but they were still “victims” of torture.

      “We make no bones about it. The victims of these crimes are criminals,” Woodward said, according to a copy of the trial transcript.

      One of the “victims” was Vernell Harkless who was convicted of burglary in 1977. Gregg Magee, a deputy sheriff who testified against Parker and three of his colleagues said he witnessed Harkless being handcuffed to a chair by Parker and was given “the water treatment.”

      “A towel was draped over his head,” Magee said, according to court documents. “He was pulled back in the chair and water was poured over the towel.”

      Harkless said he thought he was “going to be strangled to death.”

      “I couldn't breathe,” he said.

      One of the defendants, deputy Floyd Allen Baker, said during the trial that he thought torture to be an immoral act but he was unaware that it was illegal.

      His attorneys cited the “Nuremberg defense,” that Baker was acting on orders from his superiors when he subjected prisoners to waterboarding. That line of defense has come up in the current debate about whether CIA interrogators should be prosecuted for their roles in the torture of detainees. President Obama, CIA Director Leon Panetta and Attorney General Eric Holder have ruled out prosecuting CIA interogators who acted on Justice Department legal advice where torturous tactics were used.

      But the jury wasn't persuaded in Baker's case. He was convicted on three counts of civil rights and constitutional violations related to his role in waterboarding prisoners.

      www.pubrecord.org/torture/8...oners.html


      ****Like I said, Obama is just another corporate shill. I'm really surprised he's gone this far but he isn't going to prosecute ALL of the people involved so what the fuck is your real beef??
      • While it's probably still fun to piss and moan about Bush the ONE crime that I believe he got himself involved in was the wiretapping and not one idiot I encountered anywhere in Tribe had the balls to write their Reps about it.

        Ya see ya gotta have a crime as defined in a statute. Lying - if you believe he did lie - is not a crime.

        Except when the lie was told to obtain something of value such as Prebibident Dehlilah lying her way into the presidency obtaining money food and lodging on false pretenses. that might rise to criminal fraud or theft by deception.

        And any way Bush can't be impeached but this asswipe can and should be.

        If you can't impeach the one you love, impeach the one you're with



        • Cliff: It is a felony ( treason) to........

          TORTURE
          • Cheney should get life in prison. Along with many of his piggy posse. Or executed publicly in like the Rose Bowl or something. Put it on pay per view for 20 bucks and I bet it would be the biggest money maker cable tv has EVER seen!

            BOINK!!!
            • I stood up at a city council meeting years ago and gave a speech to pass an amendment to make the town a PATRIOT Act-free zone after they passed that 1933 Nazi Germany-oriented piece of shit...and then again later calling for a resolution against invading Iraq. I was both congratulated and spit on in town after that. Turns out that I was completely correct in my assessments of the consequences of both.

              Yeah, some of us have been fighting the Nazis as best we can...for 30 fucking years since Reagan became prez (I voted against him of course). While I don't support much of what Obamarama is doing (and did NOT vote for the guy), Biden would be worse if by chance you've looked up his record and speeches during the Bush years. So would the hate & war bitch Pelosi who is third in line for the presidency. Maybe you wanted McNutzo and Amazingly Stupid Palin instead, or maybe you had sense and voted for Kucinich? We have a one-party system here, the corporate party. Two cheeks of the same ass sticking in our faces and it don't smell good whichever side our noses point at because that asshole in between that controls both is gassing us right in the kisser.

              And yes we are still doing the same shit with the Uncle Tom WASP in the coffee-colored skinsuit figurehead in the White House following (for the most-part) all of Cheney/bush policies. Impeach Uncle Tom? What's the point? Tweedledum to tweedledee to tweedledum over and over and over. This Reagan treadmill needs broken apart and I have no idea how that could be accomplished other than a complete collapse of the US. Then we'd get openly visible martial law instead of the covert police state we're suffering under now and things would really go to hell. It's actually looking like that is coming anyway...economic, environmental degradation, catastrophic climate collapse, food supply, topsoil loss, acidification of the oceans, etc etc. A perfect storm of madness is lurking about the horizon in all directions. Fuck me, it's goddam ugly out here!

              Bluntly, the only way I see this paradigm changing is collapse of the US both economically & militarily. And that me bucko would/will cause untold amounts of misery and death. Proably major war and death of the species as the military/industrial/filthyrich that control the world certainly would not let go easy or quietly...

              You know something, sitting on this razorblade is damned uncomfortable and I've been sitting on it since practicing Bert the Turtle "duck & cover" drills in elementary school in the early 60s waiting for the bombs to fall...
        • I have about 3 identical replies from :"my" congressmen saying that being positive, and not negative is good. umkay?
          I have called and asked them to consider impeaching Bush/Cheney, Bush, Cheney etc...
          so I have/had the balls! you want to impeach obama? the first president to be elected in 12 years?
          • it is so simple.....

            torture is illegal......the bush admin. lied about their torture program ( C.Rice just pulled a nixon/gGoering excuse.....we were ordered to it/ it was legal since the president ordered it).......torture does not work and will put our troops and the country in more danger....THE END.

            IF the Bush Ilk gets away with this...............the USA has to release all convicted Abu Ghraib soldiers and /or grant them honorable discharge.
            • I'll go one step further. If the US only "looks forward and not back" etc etc and will NOT prosecute then we need to close ALL the prisons and let everyone go. After all, any crimes committed are all in the past and we need to apply that look forward and not back thing to everyone!
              • As usual--e.g., before he was 86'd from the politics tribe--Cliff will not respond to any of these....
                • I pleade the 5th. Not Jim Beam. I havent read all of this thread and dont know what's totally up. If anyone has a problem we can talk about it here or in private. Doesnt matter to me. If there is no prob cool. Whatever. I'm here if anyone feels there is unnecessary nonproductive unfriendliness happening. My wish is that this tribe continue to remain a predominantly friendly place for everyone here. I despise the bullshit troll tribes and never want this one to turn into that shit.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    To Seal:

                    The way you can beat the corporate powers is by cutting funding..- which in effect an (worldwide!) economic crisis will do nicely..!
                    Lets see this economic downturn as the dying of the crops.. and the reboot with fresh seeds..

                    Its painful allright, but there is also much hope for fresh growth,-
                    Wheather Obamarama is on board or not,- the real power is and always will be with the people/masses, as long as you guys stay positive and mobilise..

                    negativity is only the by-product of frustration and anger,- move on and get productive. these are exciting times for those who want to change things!!
                    • Whats with all the blanked out sections??
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                        Way cool huh?
                        And for my next trick I shall proceed to entangle the entire area:
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                • ************** As usual--e.g., before he was 86'd from the politics tribe--Cliff will not respond to any of these.... ************

                  L-I-A-R That's is what you are.

                  Even a retarded, monkey would have checked my profile to see that I am a member in good standing.


                  I have taken a hiatus from that place for reasons that are beyond you


                  So now you do be a good little liar and prove your statement.

                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/...c88f6d45

                    My 7:43 post ?

                    A long ass time ago I thought Cliff was a jerk. But from what I have seen him post for a while I havent seen too much bs. But maybe I dont visit all the tribes he's on. But on the ones we share he's fine as far as I'm concerned. Even if we may totally disagree on some or alot of things. Let's just say he hasnt been attempting to cram his truth up my fucking ass and then becoming the terminator alt / troll stalker that some bitch ass fux have for whatever reason. Like impotence for example.

                    ( High 5's Cliff like a mutha fuck. ) Bet noone saw that comin'. lol Not even me or Cliff. : )

                    Tribe is about bonding and being together. NOT division and strife. Let us all practice wtf we preach.

                    Shalom and namaste'. ( Yeah. I know. That is totally uncharacteristic of me. : )
  • The Bush Presidents had no respect for Thomas Jefferson and James Madison's Wall of Separation between Church and state.

    Halliburton ripped us all off.

    The USA wouldn't have equality of opportunity, but would have de facto royalty, if some Right wingers had their way.

    There is good and bad on both sides. Don't demonize Obama. He isn't perfect, but demonizing him is the wrong way to go.
    • Remember, if Hitler had won WWII, there would be no shortage of American collaborators. Some would be the amoral variety, OK with buddying up to whoever is in charge, regardless of political stripe. Others would be fellow travelers; right wing bigots and ideologues.

      There's good and bad on both sides. I dislike Left-Wing fascists and Right-Wing ones, too.
      • Yep, there already were scads of US collaborators but they were white unlike the other Axis powers that looked different. I read the biography of Gen. Smedley Butler and got a good grasp of the who's who that was supporting fascism in the 30s and tried like hell to take over in a military coup. Shit, if Gen. Butler hadn't said no and gone to Congress and the papers to snitch who knows they might have found another military guy to control the army and we'd all be still practicing our goosestepping in elementary school. But hell, by far the biggest promoters were the freaking bankers, the industrialists/corporatists, wall street, and the filthyrich.

        Now, almost 70 years later, the same tiny minority of conservative elite (and many of the same people ie: Bush family, have effectively taken complete control of just about everything in this country and it is all interlocked. I guess them fuckers won after all...
        • Just remember that line that Willard utters about the bullshit of war in "Apocalypse Now": "Someday this war's gonna end. That would be just fine with the boys on the boat. They weren't looking for anything more than a way home. Trouble is, I've been back there, and I knew that it just didn't exist anymore.
          If that's how Kilgore fought the war, I began to wonder what they really had against Kurtz. It wasn't just insanity and murder. There was enough of that to go around for everyone."
          • I've been away and what a shock to see Cliff on this site. Cliff nice to see ya. But Cliffy they should have impeached Johnson, Nixon, Regan, Clinton and Bushes. Why the hell you hot over Obama. The only guy that shouldn't have had the bullshit piled on him was Carter. Your not still on this Left and Right thing are you. Its an illusion to create conflict and the media is the method they do this with. Its there to piss you off. Obama is just taking orders as all the others have done. How about equal opportunity impeachment. There all "Do-Boys" for the rich and the CFR and if your British the RIIA. Same shit different pile.

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