The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

topic posted Sat, June 27, 2009 - 5:13 AM by  solomon azar
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The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

First it was the godless atheists of the soviet union to teach mankind its original false ways of godlessness initially by the Jew Karl Marx-this is why Jews are persecuted yet meant to be in the training of the monkey on earth via god. It is the jews who are chosen and the masses used as examples so the monkey may learn himself, thus- soviets fell apart after a decade of bleeding financially and spiritually against the hardened group of human beings that fall upon their knees to god- they won.

Now the godless atheistic state of the west is engaged for the final lesson on the monkey planet- soon Americas bank vault completely empty and its need to replenish by striking rich oil iran will result in global nuclear war.

its purpose is to collapse all nations and let the atheists and weak of faith followers remember why we pray for our daily bread, man must be your brother you are a child of infinity playing the game of life on earth. The survivors will learn how to treat one another as family- equality will come after witnessing the skin melt off your loved ones- all man will understand the time has come.

Who am I. I am a messenger of god- over two years on this net i tell you i have solved the energy crisis but goes nowhere on faithless monkey planet- worse yet- people delete my statement- several have been deleted by this group as i now revisit from last month- i will leave a trail upon the net for survivors- for you are the ugly generation of godless weak humans that only abuse and ridicule one another- you help no one unless there is banana for incentive- all meant to be on the monkey planet- how else to teach the monkey proper behavior-

it comes-

I am the messiah
Solomon Azar
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  • i read it. please let's not delete this. solomon, i don't know what to tell you. if i had money i would try your experiments but i just don't have any so i am left to guess whether they work or not. and in that light it is fucked up that those who have the cash aren't giving you the time of day. still, what am i to do about that?
    • Some ideas may or may not be able to make the world a better place. Some are suppressed even though they could make the world a better place for everyone. Why? Because there is profit to be made in genocide by the Elite rich fuckers that rule the earth? Then there is the whole claiming to be the Messiah thing. I guess we all have to play a role and be something. Even if it's a martyr victim with a God complex. Puhleez Becky! I think someone could use a few cocktails and some hot pussy bout now. lol And please spare me any puritanical self elevated response. ( Rolls eyes ) Just make it happen. If youre the messiah this should be no problem for you. Save the world. Isnt that supposed to be your job? Your function? If it was true you wouldnt be whining about it to a handful of us mother fuckers on here. You'd be all over the news and internet. EVERYONE would know who you are. But alas, hardly anyone but us homely bitches have heard of you. And it's to be believed why? Because you say so of course. Maybe I should go around proclaiming the same things. Maybe that would make it true. But that's not how it works. You cant keep lying to yourself and everyone else till youre blue in the face. It's never gonna happen dude. And if it does? Great. All our problems will be solved. Yaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Signed - The Eternal Optimist lol
      • Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

        Sat, June 27, 2009 - 10:41 PM
        godless america...with a military running christianity out of all its orifices at this point? hahahahha that's pretty funny.
        • We created the Taliban... Not Metaphysically, really... We named them, trained them, fed them, and the wild thing? They never existed when we said they were around.
          Our agency organizations, the ones that hire the brightest and the cruelest, have figured out how to use esoteric practices to fulfill ugly desires.
          They have said "if The Vedas teach, "First you Desire, then you Do, then follows Destiny." then if we want gold, cars, fame, and sugar rushes of cocaine instant fulfillment, then we must first want it, then JUST DO IT, then we will have Destiny's child!"
          They forgot that you must question the desire, as if it is a person in the room.
          Because it is.
  • Why would we beat the taliban when they work for us, or more specifically for the CIA?
    • Smoke & mirrors. Propaganda.
      • How can you be the Messiah when I am....better yet...there are 6.5 billion on this planet...out of that I think there are 6 billion Messiahs who are sick and tired of all the bullshit....now if 6 billion can't do something who can.

        The problems we face to day have all solutions already discovered...but it kills profit for the Marketeers....the idea of Beating the Taliban is not on the table they need the chaos and confusion to brainwash the masses while they play there little games in the Star Chamber....when the military people wake up and stop or protest this war as they did with Viet Nam...remember it was the soldiers who came back from Viet Nam that lead the protest...until then nothing will happen....Now Obuba wants a Brown shirt Youth organization as strong as the military for protection of the Father Land....you got to be concerned....who the Fuck can Invade the US.....Canada....with three canoes and a cesna....Mexico.....nah...they already own half the south....soon we will be waving a North American Union Flag....totally comparmentalized, brainwashed, stupid, broke and sick.......the future looks great.
  • Well the little buggers won't hold still won't come out and fight and hide in the damnedest places.

    They are like cockroaches ya gotta kill 'em all or they just keep coming back.

    Now they are engaged in the Child Slavery market for suicide bombers
    tribes.tribe.net/america/t...9ca92fc1f9
    It is pretty horrible.

    So unless you are willing to nuke northern Pakistan and much of Afghanistan you are doomed to forever having them pop up and do some horrible deed only to sip away among the women and children to hide again.



    • <So unless you are willing to nuke northern Pakistan and much of Afghanistan you are doomed to forever having them pop up and do some horrible deed only to sip away among the women and children to hide again.

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      Wouldn't the mass murder of the these two countries be a worse crime then anything the Taliban can do? The Taliban is not our enemy, they have allowed us to once again get the opium trade going in Afghanistan, They gave us an excuse to go to war with Iraq and get rid of Saddam as our Saudi master have ordered us. They have generated huge profit for the elite few that run this country. In short they have earned their keep and with very little in return by comparison.
      • I'm sure if we lived there we would see the world through different eyes. Everyone sees the same thing whether they percieve the TRUTH or not. We're all looking at the same thing. Most people can't handle the truth. If there was a way to h-bomb all the elite fuckers that fun the show that might be a good start. Leave all the innocent people to start over. Too bad you cant program an atom bomb to kill only the bad people. Hence, where Dexter comes in. : )
        • --this is why Jews are persecuted yet meant to be in the training of the monkey on earth via god.--

          I, correct me if I am wrong, believe that Solomon is a Jew....by the way Marx only wrote the book, it was Lenin who created the revolution of the Ungodly Orthodox Catholics that seem to mass produce there genes is Russia....the Godless society...I like that...I thought only Christians felt that way...oh wasn't Lenin a Jew. Wait a minute here...hes calling us or me or you a monkey....buddy its Glorified Monkey if you dare....And you look like one too...of course, it could be that your one of the chosen ones....could you please verify who chose you....by the way...I think you missed something...Jesus was a Jew...and he told the deciples to teach the Gospel to the Lost Jews but not a Gentile...because it was the Jews who lost the way. I guess you didn't read that part...and hey...was Abraham a Jew..no he was Indu-Aryan from the city of Ur in the area of the Sumers and Babylon...Indu-Aryans....not semetic....that came yrs after...I guess you missed that too. By the way...did god give the land to the Jews or did they create mass genocide to capture the land...giving and taking are two different events...I guess you missed that too...just justification for the genocide. And did you know that the storyline of these events were written 400 yrs after the fact....more justification I guess....400 yrs after Abraham when the Hskyos kings were expelled out of Egypt and were followed by the Cannites into the holy land that took 40 yrs to get there....I guess they were lost. But fear not...they got some land given to them....after the genocide....did you know that Jesus was in the line of Judah...the prophets...and that Mannesh Jews are actually the Americans and that the Epharim Jews are actually the British and there commonwealth...makes you wonder is a jew is a gentile too..hey that makes sense...after all during Jesus time the Gentiles were there in the Holy land....maybe thats why he never told any deciples to teach the Gentiles because they already knew...go figure...and something else that seems to not fit for the Master Race..it was the Jews who G-d persecuted for not following the true path....and your going to teach us Monkeys...oops Glorified Monkeys a thing or too...right! Don't get me wrong Sollie but sometimes I get a little sick and tired of the Master Race bullshit...
        • <If there was a way to h-bomb all the elite fuckers that fun the show that might be a good start. Leave all the innocent people to start over. Too bad you cant program an atom bomb to kill only the bad people. Hence, where Dexter comes in. : ) >

          It is coming, and " the temperate shall inherit the earth", this is exactly what Jesus meant by this, not necessarily an H-Bomb, but destruction, definitely!
        • I remember finding the Taliban web site... Yes, they had one! I emailed the Web master!@!!
          Back when they destroyed the Buddha statues with tanks and dynamite..
          I said something like: "you claim to destroy these images because the Koran says no images are allowed... But you must be aware that even allusions are images... So destroy your own holy books, with this theory.."
          Man they pissed me off when they blew up those images and caves!
          But would I go there and kill them? heck no.
          I wouldn't
          they probably have a file for me somewhere :)
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    Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

    Sat, July 11, 2009 - 12:03 AM
    Where are the credentials for the messiah? How come we need another even so often? I really do thing that the idea of the messiah emerges from within the people. I seem to remember some passages from within the Bible which indicate G-d didn't really want his people (jews) needing a messiah. And what did it come down to? The populace pouring their sins out on a single man, making him their scapegoat, after having given a lot of "lambs" to chief priests to vacate their crimes. Which was stupid anyway. So proudly declaring one is the messiah is going to get you just what Jesus got: a public hanging.

    But hang in there: you'll be worshiped by idiots for centuries to come.

    Might as well admit right now that all of human history is basically the mass of humanity declaring the right to turn a select few crazy so they can have something to believe in; so that they will take a temporary reprieve from killing one another.
    • What ever you believe in is the tool that is used to start the fiasco....shot the prick...theres one more for Jesus or Allah....baffoons...and for Israel...I got a beef here....if you check out your ten commandments and apply them to Palistine...oops...I think the big guys is getting pissed off at you......
      • I am starting to find more and more evidence that Jesus was baptized by the Baptist, and got it in his head that he was THE Messiah...
        He then stormed the Temple, and sat on the thrown. This is when the crucifixion commenced.


        by the way, ya'll following this genocide in Afghanistan? Can't stomache what I am seeing... When will the past officials be hung? Murderers!
  • Mark 13:22 For many false christ and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even
    the elect.

    Sounds like you have a case of godlike mentality to me. Be very careful what you say and think. For the true messiah will not have to proclaim who he is. That my friend is the enormous power of our Creator!
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      If he has a true means of producing such sustainable power, let him be the messiah, I say!

      Making cold fusion is miracle enough for me!

      I think the false prophets are the ones talking about 'abundance' on TV on Sundays, asking you to send in money for their healing you from a distance. And they always cite scripture dealing with tithing, or something. Whereas Jeebus say be poor, and knock the dirt from yer sandals when ya get kicked out of the house for preachin' something no one wanted to hear...
      • Reading the post on that LandoverBaptistchurch...site...just solidifies what religion has done in this world...I am not just saying the wars...we know there for money and power....but the people who fought them like the 2nd WW, was not about religion and the men who went over there actually felt in there hearts that they were doing it for real freedom and to rid the world of tyranny....and look what we got...but the religions of these people Like Hagee the litte fat fart... with his new Christian/Jewish organization supporting Israel and America is the army for Christ...how this litte jerk actually promotes the idea of Armageddon and the suckers listen to him and actually believe it...its the acceptance of it that will make it happen...and they just can't see this because Christ is going to "Save the DAY"...yayo....problem is...this happens when most of them will be gone....I guess Haggee forgot to tell them that. In all truth of the matter is that the religons today actually promote the hate and prejudices.....and the Hypocrisy.....One more thing...technology, mankind is much to immature for what we have in technology, instead of freeing us to enjoy life...it creates the poverty and they use it to spy on you....its getting to be just to much....
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        One thing we need to clear up: Is Solomon saying he is a *pre*- NT 'messiah', or is he Jesus reincarnated?

        The later is what Hagee and such are looking for.

        I'm sure everyone realizes how much all these various different translations of the Bible affect believers.

        I picked up one of the really cheesy NT-only (6th grade reading level) Bibles (with no footnotes, of course, those are irritating for dogmatic believers) and found that somewhere in I think 2nd John (is there such a book?/ I'll find this at some point and type it here..) it has Jesus *strongly* implying that John the Baptist *is* Elijah reincarnated, and I think it implies that Jesus himself is someone earlier reincarnated too! That shit blew me away. Aside from the part in one of the four gospels where Jesus does a miracle, asks Peter and homies to go ask the crowd who he is, and (evidently!) some people not only say he is "Elijah returned", but some say he is John the Baptist!

        I figure that either some people who supposedly followed him mistook him for a more famous contemporary person of the time...

        But all the same sometimes I think this whole Bible shit is just an ever-more complicated story some controlling dickheads just keep heaping more bullshit on top of! Especially since more stringently religious people are often the most dickheaded of the human lot, and seem to espouse little of the more charitable and peaceful of their professed beliefs.
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      Donna, what are the 'elect'?
      • Marjuana and Mushrooms are not drugs...heroin, coke, acid, etc are drugs....these elements grow natural....Shaman use to use them to enlighten the tribes way back when....ever research the story of Santa Claus....hes a mushroom.
        • So, how about we finally end the war on drugs and since marijuana and mushrooms aren't drugs they stay illegal? Would you be cool with that?
          • Why should pot or hemp be illegal......it only became illegal in 1937, shit alcohol was illegal before pot.....people who have never smoked the stuff don't have a bloody clue what there talking about, the shit is harmless.....the worst thing that could happen is you might eat to much pizza. Mushrooms no, not at all, are you commiting a crime against another person, thats what crime is...
            • Cubensis mushrooms contain a hallucinogenic compound, psilocybin, and cannabis is an herb of medicinal properties. Different cannabinoids have been shown lately to do some great things, lower blood pressure, inhibit HIV replication, fight cancer, alleviate pain associated with HIV/AIDS and other chronic pain.

              So, I see your point. Do you see my point? That if we end the war on drugs *but pot and shrooms aren't drugs!!!* then it would really suck if they stayed illegal.

              You *know* I'm not arguing *for* continuing the war on people and some drugs.
        • Heroin is made from opium poppy. Coke is from coca leaves. Lsd is what it is. All "drugs" are here for whatever. Marijuana and mushrooms arent more natural than the others unless the others are made into dirivetives. If heroin becomes some synthetic toxin that gives you parkinsons or coke is cut with various bs then yeah, that's fucked up. But opium and pure coke are just as much gifts from "God" or the universe as anything else. If I could still do coke I'd do it as much as possible without hurting myself. I love that shit. And I love opium and morphine too. I would do it right now if I could. : ) And fuck Jesus up the fuckin' ass! What the fuck does that son of a virgin bitch have to do with anything? lol Cock sucking faggot. Jesus is like SO GAY!!!
          • Coke is Derived out of the Coca leaf but you can still eat the left and get a close but not as intense reaction, Heroin is derived out of the poppy Plant and the same shit goes...thats all I was saying....

            There is a true tail about in the past, villagers use to go wild at times, the Dr. Jekell, Mr Hyde syndrome, the whole village would experience some sort of Hullucenations....read about it yrs ago....Acid is derived from wheat mold...they must have drank some real good Whiskey...

            For me, the war on drugs is a joke, the DEA is only concerned with getting the small time hustlers off the streets so that the CIA can make the real bucks...thats what I think about the war on drugs...there use to be opium dens up to the 30s legal dens....strange, back then you were responsible for yourself...now a days your not capable....most of the people....the majority that I use to do drugs with yrs ago quit on there own....not to many were hooked on the stuff and the ones who were got off it....its something you tend to do and then you just stop....even the pot....I occasionally puff a bomber but, I only need a little to take the edge of the day off.....kind of settles me down...usually past 9pm....I don't drink no more...found that worst than anything I ever did....it fucks you right up...personally they will never end the drug trade....to much money to be made by the speical people....education is the best....examples of people strung out doing lectures...I think is the way....Jesse Ventura said the same thing...I feel he was right on with that...I don't condone drug use for recreational use...I think Mushrooms have the ability to allow you to have a spiritual experience more that simply a buzz....I guess its all in your head how you percieve it...
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              Tue, July 14, 2009 - 10:16 PM
              Virgin birth....hahahahahaa what a joke that is. From what we have learned about genetics there can be virgin birth...cloning, but ALL the babies will be female.

              Jesus was a girl...a hook nosed swarthy skinned kinky black haired GIRL? Boy does that throw out the patriarchy! No wonder all them Rome dudes are always bent out of shape.

              As to dem debbil drugs...there was a Nat. Geo expedition years ago to like outer Mongolia or some damn place where they were digging up a 5,000 year old Mongol priestess' tomb. Never touched by grave robbers. Had her sacred pouch still around her neck...full of 5,000 year old buds. Bet some of it got smoked. Too bad the seeds would have been dried out! Add that strain of ganga which has been gone from the planet for too long! Wish I remembered what year that was published...

              Remember we are talking about Iron Age people here. People that thought lightning was thrown by angry gods and disease only happened to the unbelievers. Certainly they were using sacred medicines back then...
      • B-b The elect are the chosen. 144,000 to exact.
        • Did you guys ever get right down and research what a Virgin was in Ancient Israel....its a woman without a husband...and in there traditions of those days that a Man and woman did not marry until one yr after they moved in together to ensure that the woman could bear a child....guess not...and the possiblity that Mary in the line of David was a Temple "Virgin"...guess not. Guess your pissed at the Catholic way of looking at this....no worries...but to let it anger you is simply a little foolish...I don't take religon that seriously. Yeshoua Ben Joseph was born of a virgin because they were not married as of yet...ah...a little Catholic joke on the masses....the Myth of Christ has served us well...which pope said that....I think it was Leo...Pope Leo...so are you pissed at Jesus or pissed at the lies of the Church....I'd pick the later..

          Wow..Donna loves me and misses me....I'm blushing.....
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          Wed, July 15, 2009 - 10:53 AM
          So, are you a certain form of Jewish believer, or Christian?

          The elect are simply those who get out, and come back to help.

          The non-elect are those who won't ever leave, and demand to be pandered to.

          Take a hike. Figuratively. Go out and hike around, put the frappachino down for a moment.

          And don't fill up the Hummer this weekend.
          • Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

            Thu, July 16, 2009 - 10:06 AM
            "and demand to pandered to" Huh? Well I'm a knower of Christ and the elect will not get out like you think, We are hear to serve a purpose and that is something I'm not especially looking forward to. The rest, well those that are here anyway will have to make a choice, the hard path or the easy path. In others words living in cave and hunted or a bio-chip and government control. Trust when I say that many will have their faith tested. btw: The Rapture is a freakin' lie thanks to the roman catholic church. Holy moly will so many be confused and question their own faith when all the shit goes down.
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              Thu, July 16, 2009 - 10:27 AM
              You don't get me. Within 50 years, so many drastic changes will happen, governments will be happy if they can keep control of their own personal "Vaticans".

              They can barely keep this false economy afloat now, what with the rampant, ever-destructive greed. When the shit truly starts to hit the fan, humanity is going to be blown away by the drastic changes.

              If a lock-down like you hint at ever truly happens, they will be rebellion like you cannot believe. Unless you think our own government will starve undesirables like Stalin or Mao. If this is the end-point, then everything anybody ever trusted about their own people and the solidarity of the national identity will dry up and blow away.

              Without something to power machines of war before the oil gets ever more scarce and harder to get to, governments will be forced to change attitudes. Oil reserves are definitely finite. It's just a matter of time. And if other sources of power (like Solomon describes) become available, everything will change anyway. A cheap, sustainable, non-damaging power source will alter the human equation for the rest of the life of our species, our civilizations.
            • Donna do you think you are one of 144,000? One of the witnessing martyrs? I agree, if the Christian "story" / myth is true, that the "rapture" is a lie. But there is pre-tribulation rapture theory, mid-trib and post trib. When I was a professing Christian long ago I was in the post trib camp. The whole idea of a pretrib teaching is deliberate so that when it doesnt happen, most of those that believe in this "dogma" will be so disillusioned and lost they will be easily decieved by the lies of the Antichrist and the damned masses. I would love to see an in dept thread about "The Great Tribulation" and "Rapture" theory. Theory. Truth. Whatever. lol The bloodbath of world sacrifice awaits. Tick tick tick. And with each breath we are one step closer to the danger zone.

              • ---But all the same sometimes I think this whole Bible shit is just an ever-more complicated story some controlling dickheads just keep heaping more bullshit on top of!---

                The beginning of Gen-Isis is total Astrotheology...or Astrology....all of it...if you compare the 7 days of creation to Ian Lungolds videos on the Mayan Calendar you would be amazed how it fits...its on Yutube...free. Do yourselves a favour before you open your mouths again about what the bible is...do some research. There are other cultures out there that believed the same thing...other cultures create other religions...they all come from the Shaman and Astrology....all of them. That is the earliest belief system mankind had...and now we got science with nitwits and immature egos leading the way and convincing people that what you cannot see does not exist...without experimentation...and our Glorified monkey minds....they used depleted Uranium in Gaza. Hope you know that...given to them by the good ole USA...and the cloud of Depleted Uranium drifted over Israel...what a bunch of stupid fucking people...and we support that.....that was just a plug...eh! Were to immature for Science...

                --It would make sense that some form of marijuana oil was used in the anointing of heads and feet--

                From what I understand...because I study this stuff...I just don't talk about it...that if you wipe Marijuana oil on Skin Cancer, you wil pick the tumor right off your skin in a matter of days....something to think about...get the fucking plant in the backyard Harry. Thats a fact...if you smoke a fatty and you got tumors in the lungs...get this...the thc actually shrinks the tumor...and the 3-6-9 omega fats surround your lungs with good protien and open ups the air sack so that you can spit out the goo...thats a fact....and its illegal. Thats a fact.

                --Do you honestly think Jesus used drugs, or Moses?--

                It might have been part of the process...I like Alan Watts and what he said...once you do a hit of Acid its like you got a message on the phone..once you got the message...you hang up the phone. All you need is the Awakening.

                ---Guns into pipes?---

                Ya-YO.....its about time.

                ---Donna do you think you are one of 144,000?---

                I am...I know that for sure....me...this reminds me of the Da Vinci code...is it that after so many generation...2000 yrs of generations that the genes of Jeeeeesss--suuuuussss-s survived and that there might be 144,000 of them alive to day........Nah. If the Guy was G-dman or even G-dconscioussness sex would mean nothing to him....

                but I know the secret...
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                  Thu, July 16, 2009 - 11:04 PM
                  All i know is that i am part of something that's much bigger than myself. I am chosen to serve a purpose and no matter what, my purpose will be full filled. I have been shown many things and I am still in the process of trying to figure it all out. I don't question the truth and I am thrilled at the whole idea of a new beginning. Something has to give don't you think?
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

                    Thu, July 16, 2009 - 11:28 PM
                    Something ( or a whole bunch of things ) will give 4 sure. We're all in the same boat. Separation and division. Hmm. The humanist in me says........ The Satanist in me says.............. The ............. I got a whole lot of shit bouncing round me head yo. We would all love to believe we are chosen to serve a purpose and are always trying to figure that out. What if you DO figure it out? What if YOU choose it? And we all have a new beginning with each breath. Each moment youre alive is a gift and a new beginning. But none of this allows me to wrap Jesus up with a pretty bow and place him on a shelf to use as a security blanket. Jesus may seem very lovable. But there is more to hate about him. I'd love to love Jesus. It's just not possible.

                    www.youtube.com/watch - A wittle song 4 yuh. : )
                    • ---All i know is that i am part of something that's much bigger than myself. I am chosen to serve a purpose and no matter what, my purpose will be full filled.--

                      thats the secret.....

                      people are waking up....you can thank 911 for that....sound silly but it so bloody true it isn't funny...the more we dwell on it the more it makes sense to see that our society is completely run by greed, selfishness, ego, vanity and materalism to the point we are now concerned about the limited resources, the corruption of Government, the vanity and greed of the rich...and the length they will go to, to achieve what they are attempting to achieve....the Micro Chip will fail...simple....there are to many intelligent people and some criminal element will be able eventually to tap into that chip and eventually screw up the whole idea that the Powers to Be are attempting to create..shit they've tapped into eveything so far...and the EggHeads cannot stop them....they will tap the banks clean...to me thats a no brainer....just dwell on it...


                      --- But none of this allows me to wrap Jesus up with a pretty bow and place him on a shelf to use as a security blanket. Jesus may seem very lovable. But there is more to hate about him. I'd love to love Jesus. It's just not possible.--

                      Can you find where in the new testament it states that you must love Jesus from Jesus's own words....give me a verse...your beef is with the Religious organizatons not Christ...the message of Christ is the message that you are creating right now...that no man, cop, government, priest, religious belief or dogma can stand between you and G-d...and that in this world the act of Action reaction is the cause of all situations...you know the seed on rocks and soil parable....if you don't understand then read the sermon on the mount...and that death is natural so do not fear it and that we must focus our real attention on G-d that dwells inside us all...In the Image as to say is the Qualities of G-d are in you..it matters not what sex you are or what sex you prefer, it matters not how rich you are or how poor, it matters not if you got power because power can only be given to you by those who cannot rule themselves....step outside the box...become detached and look at the world the way it is....N. Korea...the chumps got cancer and soon gone...the banking system has blown wide open...credit money and fiat currency never lasted over 72 yrs when attempted by the Greeks Romans, Chinese and so on...power bases have only one way to go...to crumble...empires are dwindling faster and faster, events happen faster now then every before, each generation is totally different from the previous...consciousness of mankind has expanded in the last 100 yrs to a point of awareness that we now see the insantiy of what we have created and the options are on the table...power structures will fall soon, ethic are on the table and the power brokers and Corporations will soon adhere to a new reality of conservation....since Oil has taken over our lifestyle...Cancer increases...its a matter of time before we drop all this baggage..and it will happen...we got no choice...the worst always seems to happen but the outcome is what counts..out of Chaos comes Perfection...so don't get pissed off at Jesus...he is the messenger thats all...its the message that counts...and its happening...people are waking up....there are just to many people on this planet that a small group of shitheads will not be able to control...after all were just Glorified Monkeys....were not that smart. But we can see...and understand...thats why Bush was the greatest president of all times...he made us aware of the power stuctures...they picked a moron to try to control us....you can see right thru that Adminastration...its a matter of time before the shit hits the fan...Obuba is now making apologies to everyone..thats to take the attention off of the last Admin...to little to late....I'm sorry just does not work...
                      • Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

                        Fri, July 17, 2009 - 11:15 AM
                        Brian you have gift of giving understanding with knowledge that you have obtained and your inner faith that you have maintained. I am truly moved by your words. It's all makes perfect since and in these times I feel that it's important to make since of it all. It's all very exciting and scary at the time. The future of human evolution is something that will blow our minds and the truth of everything will finally be revealed.
                    • Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

                      Fri, July 17, 2009 - 11:29 AM
                      Mr.M can you please explain to me how thousands if not millions of people were slaughtered by the romans and jews for over 300 years after Christ's death for proclaiming and spreading the His message. The harder the Roman Empire tried to to snuff out Christ's message the bigger and more powerful Christianity became, so eventually they had no choice but to except it. Of course they controlled and manipulated it to their own advantage for selfish agendas. This my dear friend is historical fact. No pretty bows included.... Just lots of blood shed.
                      • Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

                        Fri, July 17, 2009 - 12:04 PM
                        www.youtube.com/watch

                        Long ago in a dusty village
                        Full of hunger, pain and strife
                        A man came forth with a vision of truth
                        And the way to a better life
                        He was convinced he had the answer
                        And he compelled people to follow along
                        But the hunger never vanished
                        And the man was banished
                        And the village dried up and died

                        At a time when wise men peered
                        Through brass tubes toward the sky
                        The heavens changed in predictable ways
                        And one man was able to find
                        That he had thought he found the answer
                        And he was quick to write his revelation
                        But as they were scrutinized
                        In his colleagues eyes
                        He soon became a mockery

                        Don't tell me about the answer
                        cause then another one will come along soon
                        I don't believe you have the answer
                        I've got ideas too
                        But if you've got enough naïveté
                        And you've got conviction
                        Then the answer is perfect for you

                        An urban sprawl sits choking on its discharge
                        Overwhelmed by industry
                        Searching for a modern day savior from another place
                        Inclined toward charity
                        Everyone's begging for an answer
                        Without regard validity
                        The searching never ends
                        It goes on and on and on for eternity

                        Don't tell me about the answer
                        cause then another one will come along soon
                        I don't believe you have the answer
                        I've got ideas too
                        But if you've got enough naïveté
                        And you've got conviction
                        Then the answer is perfect for you
                        • Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

                          Fri, July 17, 2009 - 12:17 PM
                          www.youtube.com/watch

                          I don't need to be a global citizen,
                          'Cause I'm blessed by nationality,
                          I'm a member of a growing populace,
                          We enforce our popularity
                          There are things that seem to pull us under and
                          There are things that drag us down,
                          But there's a power and a vital presence
                          That's lurking all around

                          We've got the American Jesus
                          See him on the interstate,
                          We've got the American Jesus
                          He helped build the president's estate

                          I feel sorry for the earth's population
                          'Cause so few live in the U.S.A,
                          At least the foreigners can copy our morality,
                          They can visit but they cannot stay,
                          Only precious few can garner our prosperity,
                          It makes us walk with renewed confidence,
                          We've got a place to go when we die
                          And the architect resides right here

                          We've got the American Jesus
                          Bolstering national faith
                          We've got the American Jesus
                          Overwhelming millions every day

                          He's the farmers' barren fields, (In God)
                          He's the force the army wields, (We trust)
                          He's the expression on the faces of the starving millions, (Because he's one of us)
                          The power of the man. (Break down)
                          He's the fuel that drives the Klan, (Cave in)
                          He's the motive and the conscience of the murderer (He can redeem your sin)
                          He's the preacher on TV, (Strong heart)
                          He's the false sincerity, (Clear mind)
                          He's the form letter that's written by the big computer, (And infinitely kind)
                          He's the nuclear bombs, (You lose)
                          He's the kids with no moms (We win)
                          And I'm fearful that he's inside ME (He is our champion)

                          We've got the American Jesus
                          See him on the interstate
                          We've got the American Jesus
                          Exercising his authority
                          We've got the American Jesus
                          Bolstering National faith
                          We've got the American Jesus
                          Overwhelming millions every day

                          One nation under God(x10)
                      • You need me to explain historical fact? I agree. The Catholic Church can suck my phat cock. : )
                        • Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

                          Fri, July 17, 2009 - 10:55 PM
                          Haven't you heard that catholic priests prefer little boys over grown men so your SOL. btw: I don't need you to explain historical facts i already have. We are on the same page in my respects.
                          • "Mr.M can you please explain to me how thousands if not millions of people were slaughtered by the romans and jews for over 300 years after Christ's death for proclaiming and spreading the His message. The harder the Roman Empire tried to to snuff out Christ's message the bigger and more powerful Christianity became, so eventually they had no choice but to except it. Of course they controlled and manipulated it to their own advantage for selfish agendas. This my dear friend is historical fact. No pretty bows included.... Just lots of blood shed."

                            Hence, my response. "You need me to explain historical fact? I agree. The Catholic Church can suck my phat cock. : ) "
                            • Heres the way I see the Catholic Church...during the Council of Nicea...Constantine needed the the theologians to hammer out a good deal, create a religion based on Christianity...not gnostic christian beliefs of Knowledge of G-d but a christian belief of Faith in G-d...big difference the latter is ignorance of a G-d....if they didn't do this...then he would have cut off there heads....what happened next shaped the Roman Empire for the next 2000 yrs...Constatine became the first Pope....sweet...a religon based on fear....thus excummuincation of the church and total religious and political control...if your afraid of Judgement of a G-d...it would be easy to install the fear of judgement of a society or political control....
                              • Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

                                Sat, July 18, 2009 - 10:24 PM
                                Did you know that popes use to invite their political rivals to dinner and then have their servants poison them. Mr M do you question that fact that christians were persecuted by the romans and jews after Christ's death? Really? You need proof?

                                • "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"
                                  Pope Leo X (As attributed by John Bale, Bishop of Ossory, in The Pageant of Popes, p. 179, 1574)

                                  "A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed!" -- Jeremiah 48:10, Motto of Pope Gregory VII.

                                  "Kill them all. Let God sort them out!" -- Attributed to various sources, including Pope Innocent III, Abbot Arnold Amaury, and Saint Dominic, at the genocide of the Albigensians.


                                  "I am surrounded by priests who repeat incessantly that their kingdom is not of this world, and yet they lay their hands on everything they can get." -- Napoleon Bonaparte


                                  I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
                                  ~ Stephen Roberts

                                  Man is certainly stark mad: he cannot make a worm, yet he will make gods by the dozen.
                                  ~ Michel de Montaigne

                                  We, on our side, are praying to Him to give us victory, because we believe we are right; but those on the other side pray to Him, too, for victory, believing they are right. What must He think of us?
                                  ~ Abraham Lincoln

                                  Which is it, is man one of God's blunders or is God one of man's?
                                  ~ Nietzsche

                                  Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
                                  ~ Denis Diderot

                                  Invisible Pink Unicorns are beings of awesome mystical power. We know this because they manage to be invisible and pink at the same time. Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.
                                  ~ Steve Eley

                                  All great truths begin as blasphemies.
                                  ~ George Bernard Shaw

                                  If you can conceive of morality without god, why can you not conceive of society without government?
                                  ~ Peter Saint-André

                                  The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers.
                                  ~ Denis Diderot

                                  A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
                                  ~ Albert Einstein

                                  If you talk to God, you are praying. If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia.
                                  ~ Thomas Szasz

                                  It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal god and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious, then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
                                  ~ Albert Einstein

                                  You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do.
                                  ~ [Usenet]

                                  One man's magic is another man's engineering. Supernatural is a null word.
                                  ~ Robert Heinlein

                                  We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.
                                  ~ Gene Roddenberry

                                  As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents.
                                  ~ George Orwell

                                  Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
                                  ~ Napoleon

                                  If child molestation is actually your concern, how come we don't see Bradley tanks knocking down Catholic churches?
                                  ~ Bill Hicks, 1993, referencing the Waco siege

                                  Do you see now that your self-righteousness was nothing more than breeding and years of privilege? You know, we are one nation under a god. Yes, you were right. An angry, crack slinging god who decorates with bullets and spent condoms, a blind god whose eyes are just like yours.
                                  ~ Solipsist by Henry Rollins

                                  Religion, comprises a system of wishful illusions together with a disavowal of reality, such as we find in an isolated form nowhere else but in amentia, in a state of blissful hallucinatory confusion.
                                  ~ Sigmund Freud

                                  The ink of the scholar is holier than the blood of the martyr.
                                  ~ Prophet Muhammad

                                  Men are not punished for their sins, but by them.
                                  ~ Elbert G Hubbard

                                  I like your Christ; I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
                                  ~ Mohandas Gandhi

                                  The same people that wrote the bible thought the world was flat.
                                  ~ Unknown - (disputed)

                                  If god created us in his image we have certainly returned the compliment.
                                  ~ Voltaire

                                  With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
                                  - Steven Weinberg

                                  "Science with religion is lame ; religion without science is blind. Science without religion is useful, religion with science is useless."
                                  - Albert Einstein

                                  "If God is omniscient, why do I have to pray to him? Doesn't he already know what I need?"
                                  - Claire K. Rivero

                                  "Reality exists independent of humans to perceive it, whereas gods must vanish when there are no worshippers left to imagine them. " -- Michael Rivero

                                  The Bible devotes some 500 verses on prayer, less than 500 verses on faith, but over 2000 verses on money and possessions.
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                                    B-b
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                                    "If you talk to God, you are praying. If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia.
                                    ~ Thomas Szasz"

                                    My take: If G-d talks to you, it aint G-d, it's this schizophrenic human population that is trying to unify around a central idea, and you are the fall man. Unless you find them simply ridiculous, and make merry mocking the fuck out of them. Then they remain juiced up in utter pissedness for all time. At least some of them.

                                    Moral of the story?: Don't stare at G-d's ass, He'll moon you with a huge grin on his "face". =)
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                                Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

                                Mon, July 20, 2009 - 11:54 AM
                                I wonder why it is Brian that so many these days put the hyphen in place of the vowel in the plain term for deity?

                                Consonants, but no vowel?
                                • Actually B-d got it from What Really Happened..good site....probably the one you got or know of..or close to it...

                                  I put the - in G-d because I am not capable of understanding the Depth of G-d...I do not mock the Creator..never have...ever. And your right...there never use to be vowels in ancient Hebrew....thats from the Kabbala..I study lots off the Kabbala and visit there sites...but I never ever talk to Jews about it....sometime some of them seem to get offended that a Gnostic would actually have a question for them...love listening to the Kabbalistic Rabbis....good listening...real enlightened souls. But I do not believe in a G-d, belief is for faithers...I know G-d is here and now...always...I do not preach either...no thumping...just what I know.
                                  • Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

                                    Tue, July 21, 2009 - 12:34 PM
                                    How did this posting about the US attacking the taliban turn into a fucking religious debate over religious myths? Why not take this to some religious debate tribe or something, eh?

                                    Fact: Anthropologists have cataloged nearly 1,500,000 (1.5 MILLION) gods invented by humans, and that's just over the last 7,000 years that we have records for. Cro-Magnon man, us-homo sapiens, have existed in this body form for around 200,000 years on the planet... unless you are one of those people who use cell phones and jet airplanes but don't like science. In other words hypocrites who "believe" instead of reading the science when it comes to religious texts written by Iron Age-level humans that say our species has only be around for that 7,000 we have written (key word here, written) records for.

                                    Do the math. 1.5 million over 7,000 = x over 200,000. Cross multiply and divide and you reach a grand total = 300,000,000 gods invented since our species evolved on the planet.

                                    and the latest one is the one true one? Hahahahahaa such a gullible species.
                                    • Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

                                      Tue, July 21, 2009 - 12:42 PM
                                      That would only be the correct number if the population of humans was consistent and gods were being invented at the same rate the whole time humans were around and able to imagine them. As it is, there are more humans now = more gods being invented these days than back in the days.
                                      • Wow seal, I was asked a question....so I answered....seem you did the math pretty good...ever consider that the different gods where just different names from different cultures, at different times....and in reality the post started out this way...its alright if we mock it...but to answer a question is a different story....plus that the people we are dealing with and talking about are extremely religious and into the Occult so what better way to undestand who they are if you can understand the differences in what people see....and do....and I don't talk religion, thats your take on it....and to set some things straight its not the Gods that are created its the religions that are created....its always been about the same thing...
                                        • Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

                                          Tue, July 21, 2009 - 10:40 PM
                                          Naw Stickboy, LOTS more gods being invented in days gone by. Every tree, mountain, cave, fish, plant, and animal had its own "god" or protector. In the last hundred years since our species got to a 1 billion and zipped to 7 billion there hasn't been hardly any new gods invented. The Flying Spagehetti Monster maybe... Most people are still running around worshipping the Iron Age gods of a couple thousand years ago. I'm sure there are literally billions of gods in sitting all lonely and dusty in those 2nd hand god shops if my math is close!! We need an adopt-a-god program to get these beings back into the mainstream of life!

                                          Brian: Different gods were just different names for the same "beings" from different cultures??? That seems to imply that all those cultures thought alike, yes? Doubtful. It would be like:

                                          I named my dog Spot. You named your dog Rover. They are one and the same...

                                          But my dog is a labbie retriever and yours is a poodle. They only have in common they are dogs (gods). Different personalities completely, and we certainly don't think or treat them the same (other than cleaning up their poo).

                                          And also saying that you don't talk religion...wait Brian, wasn't there something about you never talking shit about "the Creator" (capitalized no less) a couple posts ago? That most certainly is talking religion because anyone that mentions a "creator" is ONLY talking about beliefs of invisible beings based upon religious myths.

                                          Honestly, mentioning some kind of "creator" of a universe that we have zero clue as to the extent of (or even IF there is any end to) is very Iron Age thinking. We as a species really should be beyond that level now, don't you think? We do know galaxies full of hundreds of billions of stars disappear off into the dark distances in every direction we look...quintillion zillions of miles plus uncounted more that we can't see to yet. The Hubble is really opening up some vistas that way.

                                          That type of thinking is definitely...religious if not a bit kooky when truly contemplated. But hey, people believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, too, right? ahahahahaha

                                          • Unsu...
                                             

                                            Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

                                            Wed, July 22, 2009 - 11:11 AM
                                            Who is this Flying Spaghetti Monster? He sounds cool - I'll worship him.
                                            • Yeah red, and you get to eat the meatballs that fall off. Definitely worthwhile!
                                              • Seal....I am mocking the Catholic Church...you associated your poodle to my Belgian Malious...theres no comparison...you assumed that I think Religon is about G-d....it isn't...never has been...you also associate Myth as nonsense...do a little study..Mythology is story...a story that has a representation in the now...Shakespeare wrote myths did he not, but we understand them because of our Culture and it only been a couple of hundred yrs...not a couple of thousand and we use the English language not a language of limited expression....but they are the myths of human emotions, mind, acts...no different to day as they were in his time....unfortunately people tend to dwell only the superfical meaning of Myth...Myth is like a picture, it has 10,000 meaning....I would suggest Carl Jung and Psychology and Alchemy...good reading...hard to read at times but if you take your pleasure in this kind of thing, you would see an underlying nature in people that seem to want to seperate and indiviualize yet have a inner desire to reunite....with what...with what....the desire to become part of, yet remain individualized...why is that so....whats the fundamental reason...why do anyone want to share there thoughts on this tribe or any other...acceptance...maybe...but why...Why is a big question...almost a egnima....can anyon answer Why....

                                                I got my understanding...I have read post on here totally against my understanding...I say shit...nothing...I do not preach when they do...I do not interfer in there understanding...but I have noticed that to many people seem to think that what I or others might perseve to be true to us...gets pissed on by those who for a moment cannot Shut the Fuck up...If two people tend to communicate something then thats theres...don't take it to heart..you got your understanding I got mine...so don't preach to me...I ain't preaching to anyone...the post started out as a phoney messiah....got it...and someone asked a question...got it...so who the fuck are you to interject your preaching to us...got it...I mean its all the fucking time with some people..give it a break....I got my understanding and others have there. You associated it with some Speggetti monster...got it....how fucking juvenile...
                                            • Re: The west cant even beat the rag tag taliban

                                              Wed, July 22, 2009 - 10:53 PM
                                              FSM has been around for a while.

                                              en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyi...ti_monster
                                              • Thanks for the link Mr. M to explain FSM.

                                                Brian, Guess you never heard of the holy sausage & meat style Flying Spaget Monster? Neither had red obviously, but I certainly didn't make him up so I doubt you labeing me as juvenile truly fits.

                                                Gee, not that FSM is any kind of mockery towards gods or religion in general, and certainly not the one true church of hey-sus-the Catholic version of christianity. Naw, couldn't be that. Honestly, FSM is as real as any of the other gods and he supposedly feeds you spaghetti & meatballs all you can eat and doesn't hardly require much of any belief system kind of stuff other than maybe bring a can of Italian Stewed Spicy Tomatos now and then to pour on him, or a little Parmesan cheese sprinkles and a bottle of red wine and be sure to bring a fork. What a great god that is! Far better than eating the blood and flesh crap of Rome.

                                                Am I sarcastic? Yup, damn right. Religion, christianity in this country-whatever version is currently popular/dominant in the area one grows up in, is shoved down everyone's throat constantly from birth. God belief permeates, saturates, and poisons everything in the US. In god we trust on money??? One nation under God? We actually have one self-professed atheist in Congress but supposedly 12% of the population now admits to not believing in any gods. Look what is going on in the military at this point; with their bibles in Iraq & Afghanistan and in the military academies. Bush did call Iraq a crusade remember...

                                                You can't even be a boy scout if you don't profess belief in "The" supreme being...a freaking boy scout. And it's the same with islam and hindu and all the other flipping religions and their gods around the world... I'm just really tired of hearing/seeing/being pummeled with god shit constantly from every direction to be honest. It's really annoying.

                                                Ever watch the movie "Contact" with Jodie Foster? The opening scene, radio waves talking around the planet spreading out and disappearing as the solar system disappears in the distance as the spiral arm goes and this entire galaxy blends into the quintillions of other galaxies (and more into the ones we can't even see) and even those disappear into the dark as just points of light in the abyss...

                                                The Hubble has seen, with that million-second exposure in the darkest part of our night sky just below the constellation Orion, 40 billion light years (or was it 13 billion? Too many stats in my head some nights). And all the pictures showed were more galaxies and nebula going off into the distance into more pinpricks of light sources farther away.

                                                Use the smaller number: 187,000 miles per second x 60 seconds, x 60 minutes, x 24 hours, x 365 days equals one light year. Then multiply that by 13,000,000,000 = x amount of miles to those galaxies.

                                                My calculator won't go that high and I don't want to put it on paper. It a really large distance in other words. There's some invisible guy that put it all together (I'd love to see the diagram) and then watches all this that is called god by the tiny more-than-microscopic specks that we are? Must be one really big dude. Maybe I should shut the fuck up because he could squash me like a bug...but I'm smaller than a sub-atomic particle to something the size required to watch over each and every bit of just what the Hubble has taken pictures of.

                                                Maybe god is one Humungous Fucking Eye! That's it! God is an invisible floating eyeball that sees all going on in the universe. Forget FSM, we've got HFE!

                                                PS: One of my majors in college was in Philosophy...and that came out of a Utah university. Them folk there are certainly the one true church of Hey-sus and don't you try to say any different! I don't think there is another state that is more into god belief and religiousness in the country. The Deep South fundies compared to the mormons are lightweights. By the way, my Granpappy Jimmy was part of the group who were the first four caucasians in the world ordained into the Buddhist priesthood in 1935 (he reorganized the Berkely, California Temple that year); he was fun to talk with. And my father & stepmom were high school English & Lit teachers while my birth mother was a prominent Shakespearean actress from the 1950s into the 70s (the Old Globe theater in San Diego, many others venues in Cali). I'm also currently re-reading Jung's "Memories, Dreams, Reflections" but it's been decades, and two other books I've never read: Isaiah Berlin" The Crooked Timber of Humanity" and "Being Nobody, Going Nowhere-Meditations on the Buddhist Path" by Ayya Khema.

                                                Spirituality yes, god & religions no. No Santa Claus, no Easter Bunny, the earth isn't flat and you won't fall off if you keep sailing and the universe does not circle the planet and redheads aren't really red their hair is more of an orangish color (my granddaught's hair at least)...

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