Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

topic posted Sat, May 30, 2009 - 5:17 AM by  Hummingbird
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  • Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

    Sat, May 30, 2009 - 6:15 AM
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      Sat, May 30, 2009 - 6:46 AM
      Vacinations should be monitered and most of them eliminated. A baby gets 50 times the normal dose of Mercury that an adult can handle. Since vaccinations becames so prevelant in the 60s-70s we had some new situations happening to us. Alzhimers, ADD, ADHD, CP, MS, MD, autism increased from 1 in 5000 to nearly 1 in 186 children. No I will not stop the Conspiracy on Vaccines.

      Science in medicine is not an artform. Its still speculation and research. Science need exprimentation, are you willing to be the experiment.
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        Sat, May 30, 2009 - 8:50 AM
        You need to goe up to date:

        "Since 2001, with the exception of some influenza (flu) vaccines, thimerosal is not used as a preservative in routinely recommended childhood vaccines."

        www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafet...himerosal.htm

        Yet autism rates are the same as before. Could it be that we are just better at diagnosing autism?

        Not vacinating put not only your child at risk but other children as well.
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          Sat, May 30, 2009 - 8:58 AM
          Most disease is caused by germs and are preventable thanks mostly to modern science based medicine which I'll take any day over alternative woo medicine. www.skepdic.com/tialtmed.html

          The bottom line is that modern (western) medicine has improved or saved more lives than all other forms of medicine combined over all of history.
          • Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

            Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:33 PM
            <The bottom line is that modern (western) medicine has improved or saved more lives than all other forms of medicine combined over all of history>

            The problem with considering statistics like that is that we are not all the same and the people hurt by vaccines or other treatments may well be statisticly low, but if your child is one of those who are genetically suseptible to low levels of mercury or heavey metals then your chances of being screwed are closer to 100%. Western medicine tends to favor the majority. Consider the addition of fluoride to our drinking water. It has long been understood that the current levels are actually deterimental to the teeth of people from a hispanic descent, but guess what? As long as the white kids are getting less cavities who cares? It sucks to be an marginal minority.
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          Sat, May 30, 2009 - 9:07 AM
          Autism comes from children being around television, and parents that are expressionless/passionless, and they lack the early development language of proper and normal facial communication, thus their empathy circuits, or the Mirror neurons, don't form the proper architecture to allow them the senses needed to be copasthetic with us "normals".
          A lot of "adults" are autistic, and don't even realize it... Look at Dick Cheney!!!!
          • Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

            Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:27 PM
            <Autism comes from children being around television, and parents that are expressionless/passionless,>

            There is some research that suggest that exposure to T.V. before age three, can increase the chances of having ADHD.
          • Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

            Sun, May 31, 2009 - 6:34 AM
            "Autism comes from children being around television, and parents that are expressionless/passionless,"

            Umm- I can only hope you are kidding, right?!?!?

            My daughter is affected by autism,- and no, I am in no way expressionless, passionless and we didnt own a tv until my affected daughter was 10 years old.(nor computer, nor game boy or what have you.
            Good wholesome old fashioned communal outdoor activities..until the age of 14..

            get your facts straight brotha.
            • Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

              Sun, May 31, 2009 - 7:20 AM
              There is an alarming ignorance of basic science that leads to some widespread hostility to science itself. This is why there is a ready made audience for anything from the anti-vaccine movement to intelligent design. There ar some basic established facts such as the fact that germs cause disease or the fact of evolution.

              My opinion about modern medicine saving lives should have been more clear. I am including in that sweeping statement our knowledge that things like public sanitation (includinng simple things like hand washing) has improved the general health and life spans of people around the world.

              The facts right now are in favor of vaccines and we have already seen the consequences of faliure to vaccinate. It is a very selfish decision for parents to not give their children these proven methods of stopping a preventable illness. It not only endangers their children it also has the potential of endangering other people's children. Take Jenny McCarthy seriously at your own peril.
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                Mon, June 1, 2009 - 8:43 PM
                <There ar some basic established facts such as the fact that germs cause disease or the fact of evolution. >

                I disagree that germs cause disease. All illness is the result of sin, everything being spiritually first, good things and bad things and then have a physical manifestation. Germs infecting the body is just a physical manifestation, a symptom not a cause. If bacteria and virus alone controlled who was infected and who was not, then no one could choose to be well, no one would be able to rebuke an illness. And yet people who were sick have choosen to be well and people including myself rebuke illness everyday.
        • Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

          Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:19 PM
          <Yet autism rates are the same as before. Could it be that we are just better at diagnosing autism?

          Not vacinating put not only your child at risk but other children as well. >

          Kids are still being given flu vaccines last time I checked, but it is kind of a moot point. The mercury levels in fish are so high now that the FDA does not require the amount to be disclosed out of fear of causing a rather justifiable scare.
  • Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

    Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:15 AM
    i see not much about vaccines
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      Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:25 AM
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        Sat, May 30, 2009 - 8:35 AM
        Quote--"Like you I'm a Parent, Like you I like to keep my child safe".---then feed them REAL FOOD.

        That is a pitch, they use it all the time in Marketing, I use to make up these pitches when I worked in Marketing. That does not mean you should believe what they are saying. They are selling you a bill of goods. You got to understand that when they inject you with there vaccine, you have agents in your blood that will seperate the compounds organic or inorganic. Mercury is released in this action of the blood. Your body functions like that. It seperates nutrients good and bad and sends them throughout the body. That last video was nothing more than an advertizement, produced the same way as an advertizement. But when you watch the sites that protest vaccines they are not Advertizements.
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          Sat, May 30, 2009 - 9:09 AM
          I'm a parent, and I did my research on vaccines, and talked with the Doctor about them. He allowed us to skip a few that we felt were too much for our infant, and we agreed to take the most important ones that didn't cut corners.
          They got rid of crystallized salt mercury and other heavy metals.
          they still have a lot of aluminum salt in most stuff like parmessan cheese and deodorant.
          so... do your research before assuming the products are safe.
          especially formula drinks for infants, and even party drinks and energy drinks for adults!
          • Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

            Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:20 PM
            <I'm a parent, and I did my research on vaccines, and talked with the Doctor about them. He allowed us to skip a few that we felt were too much for our infant, and we agreed to take the most important ones that didn't cut corners.
            They got rid of crystallized salt mercury and other heavy metals.
            they still have a lot of aluminum salt in most stuff like parmessan cheese and deodorant.
            so... do your research before assuming the products are safe.
            especially formula drinks for infants, and even party drinks and energy drinks for adults! >

            Depression and chronic fatique have also been linked to vaccines. Most of the disease they protect against can also be avoid by simple cleanliness.
          • Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

            Sat, May 30, 2009 - 7:22 PM
            <
            especially formula drinks for infants, and even party drinks and energy drinks for adults!
            >

            Wasn't it red bull that was found with traces of cocaine?
            • Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

              Sun, May 31, 2009 - 6:09 AM
              --I'm a parent, and I did my research on vaccines, and talked with the Doctor about them. He allowed us to skip a few that we felt were too much for our infant, and we agreed to take the most important ones that didn't cut corners.--

              --Vacinations should be monitered and most of them eliminated.--

              Exactly, there are vaccines that you should give your child but not at the speed they do it today. I am not saying that Vaccination is the cause of all these maladies but is a contributor to them. Mercury effects the neuro nets of the brain. All those maladies deal with the Brain.

              I would really be careful about how many Flu shots you get. Remember, the flu virus is a new strain every yr and at different intensity, so a flu shot may not help or in a minor way.
              • Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

                Sun, May 31, 2009 - 7:31 AM
                Every properly controlled study of the link between vaccines and autism or frankly any of the other maladies to be - whats the term I'm looking for - a load of crap.

                Even the guy who started this whole mess Andrew Wakefield has now been shown to have manipulated his data with ulterior motives:

                www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/

                "no scientist not associated with Andrew Wakefield has ever been able to replicate his work"

                "as was exposed by U.K. reporter Brian Deer, not only was Wakefield paid big bucks by trial lawyers seeking to sue vaccine manufacturers for “vaccine injury” to do his studies on autistic children, a conflict of interest he never revealed"

                "Wakefield had applied for a patent on a an allegedly safer single measles vaccine that could succeed best if the safety of the MMR were called into doubt"

                "leading to Wakefield’s correctly being dragged in front of the General Medical Council for charges of scientific misconduct"

                news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6289166.stm

                "The doctor who first suggested a link between MMR and autism paid children ÂŁ5 for their blood samples at his son's birthday party, a hearing was told."

                "a host of major studies has since failed to find any evidence of a link between MMR and autism"

                " It was also alleged that 11 children were subjected to a series of invasive tests, including colonoscopies, lumbar punctures, blood and urine tests and MRI scans.

                This was contrary to their best clinical interests and Dr Wakefield did not have the "requisite paediatric qualifications" nor sought the right approval for the tests, the charge sheet went on.

                Dr Wakefield and Prof Walker-Smith are also accused of acting "dishonestly and irresponsibly" in failing to disclose in the Lancet paper the method by which they recruited patients for inclusion in the study. "

                "Later on, he joked about the incident while giving a presentation at the Mind Institute in California, and said he intended to get samples the same way in the future, the hearing was told."

                "Another of the key allegations against Dr Wakefield is that he was being paid at the time for advising solicitors on legal action by parents who believed their children had been harmed by MMR."

                "The Lancet has disowned Dr Wakefield's 1998 paper, the editor admitting he would not have published it if he had known about what he called a "fatal conflict of interest"."



                So what it comes down to is a small group with a big soap box found it easier to listen to a low rent grifter and adopt a victim mentality than to accept that sometimes life doesn't go the way you like.

                By that logic I could just blame the food industry for my diabetes. I prefer to deal with what is.
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                  Sun, May 31, 2009 - 8:54 AM
                  --By that logic I could just blame the food industry for my diabetes. I prefer to deal with what is. --

                  Not by that logic. Logic would say that your system may not be able to create enough insulin to combat the amount of carbohydrates in the blood. Therefore it could be genetically inclined with a poor habit of eating the wrong foods. It would be that a collection of events in life that caused diabetes also. This is not just about Autism but you must see that it could be a collection of events that create autism that may or could be alleviated by chosing another direction with diet and lifestyle.

                  www.youtube.com/watch
                  www.healing-arts.org/childre...aric.htm

                  Those two sites alone would make me believe that Autism is the lack of oxygen to the Brain. Could the blood of the child not be capable of supplying oxygen and therefore eventually suffers the loss of some of the Brains functions. What I am saying is that there is a combination of factors that lead up to autism and that with high doseages of Vaccinations could also create such a senario. I have seen this Hyperbaric Chamber do some wonderful things for autistic children. I wittnesses a child severly autistic go in the chamber and in a few treatments began to talk and eventually went to a normal school. I have seen this for myself. Were not talking about just autism, its the amount of maladies today that hardly even existed 50 yrs ago. I tend to think its a combination of factors including and especially our food supply that is being modified either by hybrid seeds, GM or processing. Combine much of that with the pollution and elements of modern technology such as radiation from the tube and so on. The hyperbaric chamber has been used to help people with MD, MS, cancer well the list can go on and on. Its quite interesting.

                  Big Buisness such as pharmacudicals and tobacco companies still pay doctors to say smoking doesn't create cancer. So for me to actually trust some research put forth is kind of difficult. Not saying all science is big buisness but big buisness funds science.
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                    Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

                    Sun, May 31, 2009 - 2:00 PM
                    I just got this in an email... I think we can all rest assured that mandatory vaccinations are not on the way...
                    People take too long to get through lines, and viruses would be through reeking havoc before everyone was vaccinated.

                    Demand Protection from Mandatory Vaccination, Drugging or Sanctions, Including Internment and Quarantine In the Event of a Pandemic

                    CDC and WHO are predicting that the H1N1 Swine Flu will be back this fall in a new and deadly form. Since the organism appears to have been man made, this prediction may be one they can make accurately.

                    They also say that a new vaccine will be ready for deployment at the very time when the H1N1 Pandemic virus circulates around the globe and are proposing universal (mandatory) vaccination, starting with our most vulnerable: the very young and the very old.

                    The White House is proposing vaccination for both seasonal flu AND H1N1 flu although the total number of US fatlaities to date from H1N1 has reached a total of 2.

                    State Emergency Medical Powers Acts and Federal legislation, including the Patriot Acts I, II and III, BARDA and others provide for mandatory vaccination or drugging. No exemptions are provided. Those who refuse will be classified as felons at the State level, subject to immedate incarceration and quarantine of indefinite length in jails or other facilities reserved for such refusers.

                    Those who refuse at the Federal level will be subject to immediate incarceration and quarantine of indefinite length, probably in FEMA camps set up across the US.

                    That means that untested, potentially lethal vaccines and dangerous drugs like Tamiflu could be forced upon people who do not wish them and who would face incarceration or worse if they choose not to accept them. The CDC has said that there would be no exemptions and that there would be "a certain amount of human wastage".

                    Vaccine manufacturers are exempt, thanks to Congress and the FDA, from any legal liability for damage or death from these dangerous drugs.

                    The vaccines produced for the bioengineered H1N1 Pandemic will not have been tested by the time they are delivered into our bodies and those of our children in the fall of 2009, if the World Health Organization and CDC are to be believed.

                    The US Constitution prohibits both slavery and indentured servitude, two conditions in which the body of one person is controlled totally by another person, the "master". Please send the following letter, modified as you prefer. Then send this action item link, salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/56...n.jsp , to every person on your list, all organizations which care about health, freedom and liberty and urge them to do the same.

                    Thank you for your strong and immediate action.

                    Yours in health and freedom,

                    Dr. Rima

                    Rima E. Laibow, MD

                    Medical Director

                    Natural Solutions Foundation
                    • Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

                      Mon, June 1, 2009 - 4:56 AM
                      --Those who refuse at the Federal level will be subject to immediate incarceration and quarantine of indefinite length, probably in FEMA camps set up across the US--

                      People we are talking about a flu here. Every year millions of people get the flu. All of a sudden a flu pops up in Mexico and the world is on alert. In 1976 we had an outbreak of the Swine flu and it amounted to nothing but the government were suggesting Vaccinations. It all began then. Its reported that this flu may have been man made, now you got to wonder. And reported that it started on a Pig Farm. Which I find interesting. Man made and in Mexico...got to wonder. Does this remind you of the Mad Cow desease in England, where they had to wipe out all the cattle, then import meat from where ever. Man Made and Business as usual.

                      Maybe the push to vaccinations is one of information. Maybe they can tell by how many people get the vaccination if there propoganda is being accepted by the citizens. You got to wonder or maybe something else. For instance, this is a conspiracy site so lets conspire.

                      Today Canadians and Americans need a passport to enter each others countries. On a border that has seen no conflict since 1812. Both nations are tied together, but now. Its hard to LEAVE your countries if you don't have proper ID, and don't think getting a pardon if you got any kind of record will allow you out or in. Now why all the stringent control on that border when there is a Drug War on the southern border and still more and more immigrant invade America. They claim that it will make America more secure from terrorist....lol....What it is to me is simple...they don't want anyone to "leave"..confinement. Shit could hit the fan, we got free health care. If an epidemic were to fall on us. Americans would be meat for the Insurance companies and the pharmacudical companies. No going north if there is a problem, for the many. Sound funny, I think not. The last flu scare during King George reign, Reported that there was not enough vaccines to protect the population, then the doctors south of the border gave flu shots and charged $250 while those close to Canada came over and got the flu shot for $50. I think we should all look at this scare tactic understanding that its Business as Usual.

                      This debate over the Vaccinations is the same as with Abortion. Personal Choice. We are Adult Freewill Soverigns on the land. It should be up to you what you want in your body. Not some bone head politicians who have invested heavily into the Pharmacudical companies. As Carlin stated..."Why do you vote these rich pricks in"....that is what bothers me. The misinformation, the debate, why are we heading medically in this direction. Pharmacudical companies do not cure any desease unless they are using Natural medicine such as Penicilin or tree moss. We are heading in the wrong direction with medicine. Check out that hyperbaric chamber. Theres more in that than in all the medical research for the last 50 yrs. Oxygen therapy.

                      Mercury

                      www.brasschecktv.com/page/326.html
                      www.brasschecktv.com/page/546.html

                      And Cancer
                      www.brasschecktv.com/page/398.html
                      www.brasschecktv.com/page/69.html

                      Brasscheck is a pretty good site.



                      --I think we can all rest assured that mandatory vaccinations are not on the way...
                      People take too long to get through lines, and viruses would be through reeking havoc before everyone was vaccinated. ---

                      Excellent...create a panic...I don't know ladies and gentlemen but everything I see today from the tube to the Government cannot be trusted any more. Government and Big Business should have a major seperation operation. The big Cut. It seems the governments are more concerned if the big Stock Market Businesses are taken care of over the population. 26 Billion more to GM. Big Business is focusing us in the wrong direction.

                      As I have said before Vaccinations are not evil, the amount given to Children is insane. Polio and Measles are the most important of the childhood Vaccines. Those I agree with because they are produced in quantities that are readily available. But flu shots paranoid me. They create mass amounts of it, then preserve it in case of an outbreak. The preserving is what bothers me. The real debate over vaccines is about this particular method.
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                        Mon, June 1, 2009 - 8:54 PM
                        <Polio and Measles are the most important of the childhood Vaccines. Those I agree with because they are produced in quantities that are readily available. >

                        i have to disagree Polio is spread by oral contact with feces, the most common cause is drinking feces contaminated water. This was an issue back it the day when people drank from rivers and streams, it doesn't apply today accept in third world countries. If you get your bath water or drinking water untreated from the local stream or river then I would agree with you, otherwise no. As for measles, I had the measles as a child and did not require any medical treatment niether did anyone else I knew growing up who likewise contracted it. It's a harmless childhood illness.
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                    Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

                    Mon, June 1, 2009 - 8:02 AM
                    >Not by that logic. Logic would say that your system may not be able to create enough insulin to combat the amount of carbohydrates in the blood. Therefore it could be genetically inclined with a poor habit of eating the wrong foods. It would be that a collection of events in life that caused diabetes also. This is not just about Autism but you must see that it could be a collection of events that create autism that may or could be alleviated by chosing another direction with diet and lifestyle.<

                    This statement shows your - and frankly that of the general public - about Diabetes. You never asked as to what type you just made generalized statements based on your own assumptions.

                    >Big Buisness such as pharmacudicals and tobacco companies still pay doctors to say smoking doesn't create cancer. So for me to actually trust some research put forth is kind of difficult. Not saying all science is big buisness but big buisness funds science.<

                    So you have a problem with business doing this sort of thing if it is something you don't like but you have no problem with Andrew Wakefield's falsification of data for personal gain as long as his fraudulent data supports your forgone conclusion.

                    Interesting.
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                      Mon, June 1, 2009 - 8:04 AM
                      >Not by that logic. Logic would say that your system may not be able to create enough insulin to combat the amount of carbohydrates in the blood. Therefore it could be genetically inclined with a poor habit of eating the wrong foods. It would be that a collection of events in life that caused diabetes also. This is not just about Autism but you must see that it could be a collection of events that create autism that may or could be alleviated by chosing another direction with diet and lifestyle.<

                      This statement shows your - and frankly that of the general public - ignorance about Diabetes. You never asked as to what type you just made generalized statements based on your own assumptions.

                      >Big Buisness such as pharmacudicals and tobacco companies still pay doctors to say smoking doesn't create cancer. So for me to actually trust some research put forth is kind of difficult. Not saying all science is big buisness but big buisness funds science.<

                      So you have a problem with business doing this sort of thing if it is something you don't like but you have no problem with Andrew Wakefield's falsification of data for personal gain as long as his fraudulent data supports your forgone conclusion.

                      Interesting.

                      Sorry about the double post - I missed a word.
              • Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

                Mon, June 1, 2009 - 8:45 PM
                <I would really be careful about how many Flu shots you get. Remember, the flu virus is a new strain every yr and at different intensity, so a flu shot may not help or in a minor way.>

                Also consider that the CDC inflates flu deaths inorder to sell their vaccines.
                • Re: Stop the Conspiracy Against Vaccines

                  Tue, June 2, 2009 - 9:18 AM
                  --i have to disagree Polio is spread by oral contact with feces,--

                  How you get it and how its spread are not the issue. The issue is that they have a vacine that can protect you and I feel that vaccine is important. Measles are a relativly easy situation when your young, but if your older it can be very dangerous to your health. And as I say, the vaccine for this is important so that it does not spread outside of childhood.

                  --This statement shows your - and frankly that of the general public - about Diabetes. You never asked as to what type you just made generalized statements based on your own assumptions.--

                  So do you need me to ask you what type of Diabetes you have. Stage 1-2-3 and so on. Its diabetes and I was a border line diabetic when I was 28 yrs old. I went on a 40 day vegtable juice fast and adhered to a microbiotic diet. As you doctor that one. Shamanism. How to purify and heal your body...thats generalized also.

                  --So you have a problem with business doing this sort of thing if it is something you don't like but you have no problem with Andrew Wakefield's falsification of data for personal gain as long as his fraudulent data supports your forgone conclusion.--

                  Pretty well most government grants are given to Universities and College for science of medicine. You seem to anchor and this guy Andrew Wakefield's falsification as you say. But this is one guy, got another, I got few, Searle, Phizer should I go on. Try Vioxx, thalidimine (Sp) and a host of other over the counter medication such as the new modern pain killers like tylenol that causes liver and kidned disease, open on the market place, do I really need to go on.

                  One Question: Why is it against the law to claim that you can Cure something? No matter what it is, I'll give you a preventative for the Common Cold....Cat Nip...thats one.

                  The point is that private enterprise would love to see us Dumb, Broke, and sick. That way they make the money that makes you broke and keeps them in weatlh. Why do pharmacudical companies pour billions into medical universities....to create a program of Drugs.

                  --That being said I know many people with chronic pain that have gotten more relief from these quacks then from western medicine.--

                  Relief is just a pill away, you don't mention that they are cured and I know from experience dozens of people who visit Chiropractors and swear by them. Usually people who have been in accidents.

                  All I am saying thru 30yrs of studing herbs herbal remedies but not practising any of it, just for my family I will give you an indication of what I mean.

                  High blood pressure pills create cataracts...what is it you see on TV, Lazer vision...or transplants.

                  High blood pressure can be controled by diet and exercise and lifestyle changes.

                  A lady entered the Hyperbaric chamber while I volunteered there with Breast cancer...after 4-5 visits...cancer gone.

                  One diabetic entered the chamber with gangrine on what was left of her leg...4-5 times in the chamber...gone.

                  What I am saying is that we are heading in the wrong direction with medicine. If you watched that video claiming that Cancer is a fungus then you may understand that some of these doctors have trodden off on a different path. We depended on Pharmacudicals since Penicilin was discovered and the scientist felt that they could cure most diseases by the use of Chemicals...thats what started us off in that direction...in the early part of the 20th century there were two types of medicine one Allopathy...relieving the pain...the other Naturalpathic dealing with the dis-ease to cure. We only have governmental Allopathy hospitals to day.

                  ---Also consider that the CDC inflates flu deaths inorder to sell their vaccines.---

                  CDC does not sell vacines. The companies that contribute to the CDC does.....government and business...same with the FDA.

                  As I said I just think we are moving in the wrong direction with medicine...and oh by the way..a good vegan diet will get rid of diabetes if its just minor stage 1. My Aunt did that....because of me.
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                  Tue, June 2, 2009 - 10:29 AM
                  >Also consider that the CDC inflates flu deaths inorder to sell their vaccines. <

                  And your proof of this is?
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                    Thu, June 4, 2009 - 8:58 PM
                    sexualhealth.e-healthsource.com/in...php

                    "His criticism centers on a 2003 paper in the Journal of the American Medical Association in which CDC experts increased their estimate of flu-related deaths from 20,000 a year to 36,000 a year. The reasons the agency used to justify that rise are dubious at best, Doshi said.

                    For one thing, the National Center for Health Statistics lists only a few hundred deaths a year as directly caused by influenza, Doshi said. And the major explanation for the increased estimate -- the aging of the American population that puts more people in the highly vulnerable over-65 group -- doesn't hold water, he maintained.

                    "The 65-plus population grew just 12 percent between 1990 and 2000," Doshi wrote. How can the CDC justify an estimate of 36,000 U.S. deaths a year now when there were just 34,000 deaths recorded in the 1968-1969 "Hong Kong flu" epidemic? he asked.

                    "

                    CDC adds pneumonia vicitims to boost the flu death statistics, to sell more vaccines, interestingly enough they have a pneumonia vaccine but I guess that is not as much profit in that.

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