language is a virus from outer space.

topic posted Sun, January 25, 2009 - 1:04 PM by  Sizzle
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Humans have been communicating by means of symbols for a very long time. Abstract signs emerge in the Lower Paleolithic Acheulian and Mousterian periods (from circa 30o.000 to 10.000 B.C.), long before the appearance of the extraordinary Upper Paleolithic art (from circa 35.000 to 10.000 B.C.). The familiar Upper Paleolithic images depict exquisite animals painted or etched on cave walls. They were also craved on stone or bone tools and made into figurines. But very few people noticed the manifold abstract signs that often accompany the animals. These marks include V's, Y's, M's P's, dots, eggs, seeds, 'arrows' ( -> ), two, three, or more lines, branching configurations, and squares divided into four or more sections. Some of the abstract signs known from the Acheulian era, such as V, M and parallel lines (engraved on the rib from Pech de L'aze, France, circa 300.000 years B.C.), continued through the Middle Paleolithic, Upper Paleolithic and Neolithic periods.
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  • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

    Sun, January 25, 2009 - 8:01 PM
    In christianity we acknowledge words and ideas as spirits, and recognize that the world has become the battle ground for these spirits. Jesus is one these his words, we hold, shall become the only spirit to survive this war. As human beings it is an illusion that we create words but rather we are home to them. All disease and discomfort are the result ofthe words we give home to.
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      Re: language is a virus from outer space.

      Sun, January 25, 2009 - 8:02 PM
      LOL!!!!!!!!!
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        Sun, January 25, 2009 - 8:50 PM
        consider the following verses:

        Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.

        Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

        Jhn 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

        Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


        Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


        Jhn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


        Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
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          Re: language is a virus from outer space.

          Sun, January 25, 2009 - 8:51 PM
          metaphors, bro

          ;]

          all is reflection!
          • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

            Sun, January 25, 2009 - 8:57 PM
            <metaphors, bro

            ;]

            all is reflection!
            >

            I think you have missed the point of Christianity if you believe these are metaphors. In the end we become one with the words of God and live for ever or we don't and die. Words are spirits and have the power of life and death.
            • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

              Mon, January 26, 2009 - 6:12 AM
              actually deep words, but, as a wise man said: a donkey can carry a holy book, but, does that make the donkey wise?
              so, test the donkey:
              John: you quote the Bible, and claim to speak for Christianity?> correct?

              Yet, obviously your not open to the depth of the Bible, if you say these are not Metaphors!~
              I read the Bible and still open it at times. But it is on a shelf, with hundreds of other books in my Library.
              When you have examined the History of the Culture you quote, and, you have examined all sources, please come back to me and discuss the depth of these scriptures.

              Now, if you have, then, by all means, explain to me, the depth of the meaning: WORD
              You believe you are a Christian> in what context? Today's American Churches? Which cloak? Examples like: "Words are spirits and have the power of life and death."
              tempt me to think you have some grasp of the depths, but, beware, there are places you may be afraid to go.
              If you are like my Dad, you are afraid to grasp the tip of the Tentacles, i.e. where the Bible DOESN'T go.
              And, where it does go, but you are embarrassed by the implications. i.e. suffer not a witch to live. 30 silver pieces for the death of a wife, and "prophets" like Paul: women sit in the back and remain silent.
              I also recommend you read the Bible as just ONE source of the WORD, not THE SOURCE, at the exclusion of other great texts of GOD such as: Rumi,Islam, Hindu, etc... The Word is active, not dead.
              We speak it, and, we are also connected to intelligence, that is not limited to human, but is all around us.
              When we are conceived, we attract vortex's from outer space, from inner-Earth, and from the higher dimensions. These oceans of energy are anchored in us.
              Language is a virus, but, virus's are part of us!
              We are They are I
              • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

                Tue, January 27, 2009 - 8:02 PM
                <suffer not a witch to live>

                This is a mistranlation the verse you are refering too actually says suffer not a poisoner to live, it was changed purposely to justify the persecution of pagans.


                <30 silver pieces for the death of a wife>

                I am not sure what verse your speaking of here, but 30 pieces of silver has a symbolic meaning in the bible, it is a small payment made in spite.

                <and "prophets" like Paul: women sit in the back and remain silent. >

                In Pauls day women weren't even allowed to enter the temple he was a progressive, but not as progressive as Jesus who openly taught women and men together.

                <I also recommend you read the Bible as just ONE source of the WORD, not THE SOURCE, at the exclusion of other great texts of GOD such as: Rumi,Islam, Hindu, etc... The Word is active, not dead.
                We speak it, and, we are also connected to intelligence, that is not limited to human, but is all around us.
                When we are conceived, we attract vortex's from outer space, from inner-Earth, and from the higher dimensions. These oceans of energy are anchored in us.
                Language is a virus, but, virus's are part of us!
                We are They are I >

                And mixed in the truth of all are lies, but the heart that is true can decipher. The truth is there for those that seek it.


                • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

                  Tue, January 27, 2009 - 8:22 PM
                  like i said ...language is a virus from outer space, ...and we have it....
                  and hearing your name is better than seeing your face ....
                  (john)- not -perhaps i will give you a chance if you grow a face, avatar or something..
                  friendless faceless beings are a warning in tribe and most often to be ignored, perhaps i judged too quickly.
                  just do't beat me with that bible any more i'm a recovering christian, save it for crossroads of religion.
                  oh and
                  thanks laurie anderson..where ever you are.
        • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

          Sun, January 25, 2009 - 8:58 PM
          Dude. My head is about to spin around and I'm going to spew guacamoli everywhere and start stabbing myself in my mangina screaming "FUCK ME!!! FUCK MY PUSSY!!! FUCK YOU!!! FUCK YOUR MAMA!!! SHIT FUCK DAMN MOTHER FUCK SHIT WHORE!!!" You may think I'm demon possessed but I assure you it's only tourettes.

          Fuck! FUCK SHITASS!! Cum guzzler.

          OH, my God! I am so out of control. Please pray to Jesus to give me lots of money so I can be more self indulgent. I love what you see as SIN.

          HAIL FUCKING SATAN BEEOTCHES!!!! HA HA HA!!! ( Spoken in deep loud thunderous devil voice. : )

          Words are just words.
          • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

            Sun, January 25, 2009 - 9:30 PM
            <Words are just words.>

            I disagree, words are spirits and have the power of life and death, profanity leads to ulcers and ulimatel to renal cancer, but don't take my word for it, keep experimenting.
            • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

              Sun, January 25, 2009 - 9:55 PM
              Profanity is pure love. I love profanity. It makes me happy and whole as a person. Like sex, drugs & rock & roll, it makes life worth living. I think it's funny how so many self righteous people on Tribe whine about fredom of speech and censorship. Then they poo poo on people when they use foul language. It's pretty rediculous. I'm not talking about you. Just in general. Like foul language is some sign of being ignorant and uneducated, etc...... Of course if it's someone they like then it's okay. Like George Carlin or something. How bout that Sarah Silverman ay? lol Talk about a potty mouth. Daaaaamn!!!! I love her. lol
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                Tue, January 27, 2009 - 8:10 PM
                <Profanity is pure love. I love profanity. It makes me happy and whole as a person. Like sex, drugs & rock & roll, it makes life worth living. I think it's funny how so many self righteous people on Tribe whine about fredom of speech and censorship. Then they poo poo on people when they use foul language. It's pretty rediculous. I'm not talking about you. Just in general. Like foul language is some sign of being ignorant and uneducated, etc...... Of course if it's someone they like then it's okay. Like George Carlin or something. How bout that Sarah Silverman ay? lol Talk about a potty mouth. Daaaaamn!!!! I love her. lol
                >
                I have no problem with other peoples profanity, I am just telling you why I don't use it, at least not often. Another reason is to keep the power of the word, if everyone when around using "fuck" after every other word, it would no longer have any power. When I do swear the words have power and people feel it. This is a bit of mysticism I will let you in on. The idea of a magic word is some what of joke now a days thanks to magicians and other performers, but there is a real basis for the idea. If you keep a word and use it only for one thing you give the word the power of that thing. This is why it is a sin to use the lords name in vain. If you only use the name of God, whatever you determine that to be, to call on the power and being of God in all seriousness, then it becomes a magic word filled with power a tool to raise mountains and divide waters.
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                  Tue, January 27, 2009 - 10:48 PM
                  I do believe in the power of words like this. I just don't see them as being spirits. Maybe conveying the state of someones spirit. Or the state of a spirit or multiple spirits that may possess someone. LEGION!!! Words are very powerful tools. I wish I were a more skilled craftsman / wordsmith myself. I like to read about "trigger" words. Ones that have been programmed into peoples subconscious so when they hear them they will GET UP AND KILL!!! Or do other things. Oh so Manchurian. I think it should be an uncommon word though. Because if it's a commonly used word the person would be going off all the time. They need to then be remote controlled and guided like they are on autopilot. KILL KILL KILL!!!

                  That's hot.
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                    Re: language is a virus from outer space.

                    Wed, January 28, 2009 - 7:01 AM
                    There are "Back Door" words in many cultures. Some cultures such as Sumerian were based on the knowledge of Priest, and they kept the back door words secret, of course... MENE MENE TEKEL UPSARSUM (yours days are numbered and are few) must have really shocked the king when he read his own magic as it appeared on the wall spontaneously in front of Daniel and the Jews.
                    Neal Stevenson has a book: Snow Crash, where programmers are shown a snow crash screen that wipes their minds and formats them@!
                    Sound can also do this.
                    The english language has fnords in it ;)
                    • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

                      Wed, January 28, 2009 - 7:23 PM
                      Fnords! I love that! I just looked that up, fascinating!
                      • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

                        Sun, February 1, 2009 - 8:25 PM
                        T is for the trouble "he" wants to start....
                        R is for the reality "he" has chosen to stick his head into...
                        O is for the others here and elsewhere "he" is pissing off...
                        L is for the love that eludes him....
                        L is for the language that i shall not use in flaming him...

                        Now-" poof" be gone -you have no power here!
                        • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

                          Sun, February 1, 2009 - 9:15 PM
                          I don't think he's trolling. I did at first. If someone is trolling there is more negativity and they usually start flooding the tribe with their bs. John aint so bad. Everyone here isnt required to see things the same way & agree on everything. I may not see eye to eye on everything but I would probably agree with more than I would disagree with John. Who knows.

                          www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b

                          John. Try these and some Robert Anton Wilson. Good stuff. And remember / keep in mind that just because alot of people who read the Subgenius books are totally jaded assholes doesnt mean everyone that reads them is. lol
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                            Mon, February 2, 2009 - 8:26 AM
                            <I don't think he's trolling. I did at first. If someone is trolling there is more negativity and they usually start flooding the tribe with their bs. John aint so bad. Everyone here isnt required to see things the same way & agree on everything. I may not see eye to eye on everything but I would probably agree with more than I would disagree with John. Who knows. >

                            Thanks, I am not a troll, by definition a troll is someone who posts off topic, and attempts to divert a conversation. what sizzle just did by accusing me of being a troll rather then remark on topic is an example of trolling. Often trolls disrupt a conversation, by accusing those who hold views that they do not like, as trolls, kind of ironic when you think about it. Not to say that sizzles only purpose here is to troll but in this particular case he has.
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                              Mon, February 2, 2009 - 5:56 PM
                              A troll can be alot of things John. And I've been fucked with by some real special ones. Some people that know me know this and are sometimes protective. I just don't dig it at all. And some people say I'm a troll because I tell some assholes I think they are little bitches. Etc.... And Sizzle can be sassy. He's cool though. He was sharing his opinion. His calling you a troll and being off topic is in no way an example of trolling. It's an example of giving a fuck. He's got seniority here bro. We don't always play by the pc assclown rules here yo. If you want to stay stay. If you want to go go. But just keep in mind that the content of this tribe isnt going to become predominantly debate over trolling and who is or is not being an ass. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If anyone is going to be an asshole here it's me. : )
                              • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

                                Mon, February 2, 2009 - 6:25 PM
                                LOL Okay but for the record I was just responding not instigating.
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                                  Mon, February 2, 2009 - 6:34 PM
                                  Well as a Christian you should know that many non-christians often see alot of Christian response as instigating and negative in general. That will probably never change. Until of course after Buh-Jeebus lets his small minority into Heaven and tosses everyone else into Hell for all eternity. Then the majority of humanity that has ever existed can hate and curse God forever. Perfect. Gods love is so pure. Not a nightmare at all.
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                                    Mon, February 2, 2009 - 7:51 PM
                                    <Until of course after Buh-Jeebus lets his small minority into Heaven and tosses everyone else into Hell for all eternity. Then the majority of humanity that has ever existed can hate and curse God forever. Perfect. Gods love is so pure. Not a nightmare at all.>

                                    Actually, Jesus did not teach that people lived in hell forever, he taught that there is a second death, and that it is permanent. When you think about it, it is an oxymoron to live in death forever. The texts were purposely translated this way with the king james version, because fear created more power for the church then love. So being that that idea of hell as being everlasting torment is the result of a conspiracy, my response here is not completely off topic.
                                    P.s for more information:

                                    www.thetruthabouthell.net/
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                                      Mon, February 2, 2009 - 8:05 PM
                                      Well if there is no eternal damnation where people are weeping and nashing teeth and being tormented and all that, that would be great. If a second death means just not existing anymore I could totally deal with that. But I dont see Christian teachings telling me this. As a Christian I was taught all the fundamentalist non-denominational dogma. Which alot of denominations also agree on pretty much unanimously. With some exceptions like differences in "rapture theory." Pre-trib, mid-trib, post trib. I dont want to believe any of this shit. But if I was gonna place a bet I would say post trib is the truth. But in my post trib version of a possible "Judgement Day" there is no "rapture." Just what has been stated will theorhetically occur on said Day.
                                      • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

                                        Tue, February 3, 2009 - 7:38 AM
                                        <Well if there is no eternal damnation where people are weeping and nashing teeth and being tormented and all that, that would be great. If a second death means just not existing anymore I could totally deal with that. But I dont see Christian teachings telling me this. As a Christian I was taught all the fundamentalist non-denominational dogma.>

                                        The verse surrounding weeping and nashing of teeth applies to the saved who will lose loved ones to the second death. Christianity is not about dogma, or religion but the teachings of Jesus. If you explore them you'll find that they are much different then what the churches hold to.
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                                          Tue, February 3, 2009 - 7:53 AM
                                          John, there are some teachings of Jesus that I agree with. There are many great teachers in history and Jesus was just one of many. I deny he was the son of God or super human in any way. It was other human being who created the myths about Jesus just as others created myths about the myraid Hindu Gods or the Gods of ancient Greece.
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                                      Mon, February 2, 2009 - 8:08 PM
                                      I find the god of the bible to be pretty annoying. Why would I want to believe in such a god? He is like a petulant child who has fits of violence when he can't get his own way. He leaves no absolute proof of his existance and then would punish those who do not believe in him in a lake of fire. I will not give such a being the time of day let alone worship him. Humans are beyond needing some big guy in the sky who watches our every move. The Bible is not the word of God it is the work of men and I reject it. There is no more reason to believe the bible than ther is to believe the koran. You may believe I will burn in hell if I don' change my mind, but how sure are you that after you die you will not open up your eyes and face a really pissed off Allah? The religions spawned by the bible and the koran are nothing more than a method of social control. For that reason alone I am very happy that religion is starting to lose it's death grip on the human mind.
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                                        Mon, February 2, 2009 - 8:13 PM
                                        Whether you are Jewish, Christian or Muslim, it's all the same Abrahamic Heeb shit. FUCK RELIGION!!! And fuck the Christian God. That God is more evil than his creation Lucifer / Satan could ever hope to be! Fuck that little suck ass bitch Jesus. I got his Holy Trinity right here.

                                        How bout some rack of lamb? Anyone? Mmm. This some good shit y'all.
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                                        Tue, February 3, 2009 - 7:42 AM
                                        <You may believe I will burn in hell if I don' change my mind, but how sure are you that after you die you will not open up your eyes and face a really pissed off Allah? >

                                        Jesus said that his people hear his voice and follow him, the confirmation of Jesus comes from within. Allah is God, but those that interpret him as being a law enforcer, are incorrect. Allah wants people to follow his law from their heart, not by force of arm.

                                        <The religions spawned by the bible and the koran are nothing more than a method of social control. For that reason alone I am very happy that religion is starting to lose it's death grip on the human mind. >

                                        Jesus taught against religion, and true Christians today still do.

                                        • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

                                          Tue, February 3, 2009 - 7:04 PM
                                          Dood. Are you a prometheus alt? lol That line for line response. Gotta love it.

                                          I've read the Bible cover to cover twice. I used to be totally into all the Christian metal bands. I still love all that old music actually. I can throw on any of those old cd's and sing along to almost all the words. Bloodgood, Stryper, Barren Cross, Vengeance Rising, Holy Soldier. I was actually going to sing in a Christian metal band in the early 90's. We were pretty badass. Then I told them I was gay and liked to drink and do drugs and wanted to quit the band. I couldnt see being the vocalist of a Christian metal band and be a big fag too. They surprisingly said they didnt care. But I quit. Then about six weeks later they were playing at the Stone, the Omni, the other bar owned by the same peeps in San Jose. I regretted quitting because that could have been good experience and it's possible that some other even better band could have seen me and wanted me to join them. I shoud have used it as a stepping stone. Hmm. : (
                                          • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

                                            Wed, February 4, 2009 - 6:27 AM
                                            i find that my inner voice is often telling me what to do, and I think this is what I don't want, but it is taunting me!
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                                              Thu, February 5, 2009 - 12:02 AM
                                              In the field speech pathology (as opposed to clinical) is almost exclusively about breathing and swallow-testing. One of the things we learn in hospitals is that speech is anathamic to breathing and swallowing!
                                              Our system was just NOT designed for TALKING! The nodules, blisters, callouses and other various disorders caused by it, bear testament to it, ask any speech pathologist:)
                                              I'm not even mentioning the semantic shaft we get trying to actually express complex concepts like spirituality, physics, or love: (I love you, but I don't Love you, but I really do -love- you, just not like that...), sheesh!
                                              I was a totally rational social-sciences student, but now I'm a flacky new-ager in my belief we were destined for telepathy, and that William S Burroughs (And Lori ANderson) were right, Language is a bug from somewhere else... not meant for us!

                                              Terrance McKenna thinks magick-mushrooms arrived from space about 50k years ago,
                                              about the same time as early language development...
                                              hmmm...
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                                                Thu, February 5, 2009 - 5:44 AM
                                                Patric: mushrooms maybe have been here far longer according to paul stamets...
                                                but, your post makes me think...
                                                ugh ugh, love?
                                                • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

                                                  Thu, February 5, 2009 - 11:20 AM
                                                  uh... excuse me?... i used no names..... it was a troll check spell... i guess it worked ... huh...

                                                  thanks for the support M , you are a rock star, ...sassy i am, at times...

                                                  but since it was raised...
                                                  fyi: dan is john and john is dan, -he -confessed -begged forgivness -this has been established.... elsewhere...

                                                  however i'm still waiting for "them" to come out of the closet... but thats just me... "me thinks they doth protest too much."

                                                  now, what has yet to be established is can "one" with such deep seeded religious programming have or perhaps even carry on a conversation without consistantly reguratating their said beliefs all over the others in the room???

                                                  i'm growing weary of the bible puke stench... or ... is it just me?
                                                  please be advised
                                                  there is a crossroads of religion tribe for that sort of fetish... if you are into that kind of thing...

                                                  now the mushroom thing... i think we may be onto something here... interesting theory
                                                  more investigation will be necessary...
                                                  ...
                                                  carry on - "thumper" free if you please...

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                                                    Thu, February 5, 2009 - 11:47 AM
                                                    <fyi: dan is john and john is dan, -he -confessed -begged forgivness -this has been established.... elsewhere...

                                                    however i'm still waiting for "them" to come out of the closet... but thats just me... "me thinks they doth protest too much." >

                                                    Well your not reading the posts there or you would notice that I am an advocate of Gay rights. And Dan did come out of the closet, or at least, I did it for him, as him, but he protested.
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                    Re: language is a virus from outer space.

                    Wed, January 28, 2009 - 7:12 PM
                    <I do believe in the power of words like this. I just don't see them as being spirits.>

                    Look at this way, what is a human consciousness if not a collection of words and ideas. If this is not spirit then what is?
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      Sun, January 25, 2009 - 8:51 PM
      John are you a new alt of Dan Dan the Christian Man? The dude with ten kids?

      "Speak the word. The word is all of us......... Seven years of power, the corporation claw. The rich control the government. The media the law. To make some point of order then everyone will know. Eradicate the fascists. Revolution will grow."

      BOINK!!!
      • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

        Sun, January 25, 2009 - 8:59 PM
        Actually I have had several run ins with a character that goes by "Dan" who claims to be a christian but teachs hate and exclusion. If this is the person you are refering too, I certain am not his alt.
        • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

          Sun, January 25, 2009 - 9:06 PM
          Oh thank Goddess John. That guy is like SO GAY!!! lol So who are you John? Why don't you post some self pics so we can see what you look like? You are welcome here. Unless your posts become a nonstop deluge of litter. I'm actually friends with many Christian people. Or at least people that profess to be Christians. I used to be one myself. Long long ago, in a galaxy far far away. I also like to say crazy shit sometimes like the Exorcist bit. I'm just playing around. I like attempting to create what I see as hilarious visuals with words. Although you will probably see them as perversion. That's fine. As long as we both understand each other.

          Cyber handshake / BIG HUG dude. Welcome the the mother fuckin' CONSPIRACY tribe yo! Do you feel all warm and fuzzy now? : )

          I take that back now. I just read your last post. I aint no damned troll. Youre more of a troll than I am as far as I'm concerned. And yes, I created this tribe a while back. I havent twisted anyones arm to join or stay. So why the hell are you here exactly? Just to mess with me? Trollboy?
          • Re: language is a virus from outer space.

            Sun, January 25, 2009 - 9:16 PM
            LOL! I'll take back my troll accusation and give you a chance! I do suspect that "Dan" is a closet homosexual, it is my theory that most gay haters are homosexual themselves. Anyone who believes that being gay is choice, is really saying that they can choose to be gay, and that is not something a trully hetrosexual person would say.
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              Thu, February 5, 2009 - 1:59 PM
              Words are mightier than the sword....no doubt...it only took words to start wars....nothing more...always been always will be until we decide not to listen to those words...its power....Weapons of Mass Destructution...powerful words because we give importance to them...we accept them for value...why?? Who said so is more in line with me...but words work...now we got the sound of silence...not words but vibrations...oops different words without letters or understanding...just SOUND...fucking amazing...wouldn't you say...as a matter of fact if "In the beginning there was the word and the word is God"....then thats sound...a vibration...that vibration can create a number of events...life a mantra in a Meditation...sound...what is it with words (sound) and a G-d....notice I left the "o" out of G-d...because I do not know what a G-d IS...so you...

              A shaman can use drums to create a sound...the tribe pounds a rythym on the drums and the women take there clothes off...go figure...wish I was there...Taught to me by a Shaman type man from Niger...great guy....love him...little fellow...Little Big Man in my books...

              IK...you make me laught....metaphors....I know...I hear ya brother....

              We are controled by sound....English is the first scripted language of mankind...most of our language in the English mode comes from other languages and condensed into English...no not American or Canadian or even English ....English...but LAW....thats the out...the fucking law..

              If we got a Websters Dictionary....why do we need a Black Law Dictionary....ever thing of that.

              Those who are out to decieve us...use words...not Websters words...but legal Words...they mean something different...

              Don't lose yourself in this...its real power...

              In the past we have wittnessed the use of totalitarian powers...the peasants revolted...always...read your history books...but buy using words they can control us easier...the Law...its only words...that have off the wall meanings.....

              For example....if you live in a Republic or Federation that has a constitution....and you have the freedom of Speech, movement, and consciousness....what is there that you must conform too....the Tube...your free...if your free what is a democracy that everyone seems to think is great...when 51% rules 49%......thats not a big difference...especially when you are Free.....why does a majority of 51% RULE if your free...there is no rulership...they are representatives and must answer to you...only...now we answer to them....

              ALL BECAUSE OF WORDS....time to wake up people...thats the idea of this site.
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                Thu, February 5, 2009 - 6:13 PM
                great post, Brian, I think you have an excellent understanding of this topic.

                Sticks and stones can hurt my body, but words can bind or free my soul.
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                  Thu, February 5, 2009 - 6:37 PM
                  Hey StickB
                  McKenna wasn't saying that fungus was from space
                  but that Psylobin and Psylocibin are completely unique on this planet, and don't even have analagous compounds in anything else on earth.
                  www.botany.hawaii.edu/faculty...t20b.htm
                  I'm open to this being synchronicity, but we were perfectly comfortable with hand signals and cave paintings until something just made us just 'have to share our feelings with others!'
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                    Thu, February 5, 2009 - 6:40 PM
                    I'm not sure I even believe in Moses, but I thought this was interesting: www.google.com/search
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                      Thu, February 5, 2009 - 6:42 PM
                      Maybe if Moses hadn't been so high on drugs we wouldn't be missing 5 commandments www.youtube.com/watch
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                        Thu, February 5, 2009 - 6:44 PM
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                          Sat, February 7, 2009 - 4:37 AM
                          I find the story of Moses to be most interesting....as a Gnostic and believe that the earth and the solar system goes thru various vibrational changes in the movement of the system in the Milkyway that Aeons or ages are what is happening and Moses is one of them...Moses was the bridge between the age of Taurus to the age of Aires...Moses was the law giver...now What is a Convenant and the Ark of the Covenant....a Covenant is a contract by law...the Ark is where the contract is stored...the Ten Commandments are the Contract in Law...Common Law...the law of the land....Do not create a conflict is what there about...just read them with that concept in your mind...but arks have been used long before Moses...the Egyptians used them to store...there contracts...the Hindus used them to store there holy books....the buddist used them to store there valuables...a safe is an Ark...

                          Everyone is babling about 2012 and the Anti-chirst...well...the Mayan long count ends in 2012..that does not mean something terrible is going to happen it means that a new Count is to start....its the end of the Age of Pisces...the Christ Age...so whose the Anti-Christ...simple the Age of Aquarius....no longer the age of Pisces and religion and illusion but now moving into the age of Science and Ultraism...no need to build and ark...oh another ark....another Covenant...each age is a covenant...from the Bull Taurus that the Egyptians loved...the Aires the Jews loved the Ram...to the Fish Pisces the age of Christ...to the age of Aquarius and the Anti-Christ the age of science...remember Adam and Eve..the Age of Gemini..the Twins..the mind...the left lobe-male...the right lobe-female...they ate the apple and woke up there minds...symbolic to say the least. The tree of life..Chakras...the serpent Kundalini...the tree is the backbone of the body...the kundalini rushes up the backbone of the body....enlightenment.
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                            Sat, February 7, 2009 - 8:00 AM
                            Marilyn Manson is the Anti-Christ and I am his false prophet. : )

                            Fundamentalist Christians believe the Antichrist is a specific person. And the spirit of the antichrist is something that all of humanity collectively shares unless we are of the righteous chosen few of God. 666 is the number of the Beast. The number of man. The number of imperfection. Even though it IS perfect for calculating the whole & entirety of this world and everything in it. The entire universe is calcuable perfection by this equation. This is by design of course. 777 is the number of God and perfection. Even Crowley knew this. That's why he titled a book 777. You just can't fudge the facts. Regardless of anybodys interpretations or misconceptions, truth is not relative or subjective to the minds of mere mortals.

                            Now we're fucked. Fucked by truth. The sword of God is pure evil. God is more evil then Satan and all the fallen angels and all of mankind that has ever existed. FUCK GOD I say. I will blaspheme that God for all eternity. It's so fucked up that it's all supposedly preordained too. Like God knows in advance that he will seal the fate of billions to neverending suffering and misery. And so many ignorant fools that claim to be Christian that will be burning in this same Hell say "You have a choice. You are choosing to go to Hell. If you choose Jesus you can go to Heaven." Etc..... Fuckin' total bullshit. The Christian God is the ultimate psychopath. The pinnacle of the purest most extreme evil possible.

                            images.google.com/images

                            WARNING: This blog does NOT have heretical tendencies. lol

                            beaconofmasoniclight.blogspot.com/
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                              Sat, February 7, 2009 - 5:50 PM
                              <Like God knows in advance that he will seal the fate of billions to neverending suffering and misery>

                              I thought we went over this people do not suffer for eternity:

                              www.thetruthabouthell.org/
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                                Sun, February 8, 2009 - 12:01 AM
                                I dont think anyone living actually knows. That you can't actually know till you die. All I can do is hope the Christian Hell & God do not exist. Why? Because I think they suck massive donkey balls.
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                                  Sun, February 8, 2009 - 6:54 AM
                                  I disagree that there is a hell that the Christians believe in.....I don't see it at all....the logic that is...as far as I am concerned we are on or in hell at this minute. Christianity is a fabrication. These people who wrote the new and old testament did not use modern scripted English in there interpitations of what they have come to realize. And now we have translated these writings to suite our needs. Such as "I am that I am"...so what does that really mean...Words again...the word "That" is significant. Could it mean "to become" ....being alive at birth to become what I am...we do not stay the same thru out life. I don't remember ever reading in the Bible that it tells you what Heaven is...if any of you know please put the verses down so we all can read them....all Jesus or any Avatar has told us is what living on this plane of existence is all about....action and reactions. If you ask a Christian or Muslim or what ever where heaven is they will point to the sky and if you ask them where hell is they point to the centre of the earth....well the sky is the Heavens....the stars....and hell is the planet we live on...does that make sense. Only in one way...we are standing on what we call hell. In this world we are dealing with evil, deception, ignorance and so on...coupled with qualities we all have to love, compassion and so on...Hell to me is the disconnection with G-d which is why our bible is so full of violence and death...its our way to gain knowledge. When Christ stated that you should not fear death, to escape the pangs of death simply means to me...that death is not all that bad and if you want to escape death then don't be alarmed that your body dies...the soul never dies...and if all his teachings where about living here on this rock, then your mission is to make Heaven on Earth. For yourself...once you have done that Death is not so important or the end of you...its just one more instance in the wheel of eternity...so what is eternity....the PLUS ELEMENT...there is always something new going to happen. It never ends and if you advance out of this reality to the next or a heaven...the Plus Element is always there also...this is only a phase of life...a small one in there is an eternity.

                                  Ever consider that we are spiritual beings becoming Human beings. After all we come from the womb and spend the rest of our lives trying to get back into the womb...especially men...lol...so is the womb the "Gates of Hell"...I believe it is...after all Sex is heavenly is it not...your body hums and you are in a state of timelessness and feel no pain...yet if you had a toothache every second is a living hell. For me the whole idea of religion is to submit to a G-d and become a servant to a G-d and then they promote a Guy like Jesus as a saviour and create a "Follow the Leader to Heaven".....complete nonsense!!!!!!! Yet that form of Belief also leads those who created the belief to administer a Government or King that we all submit to because we have been taught to do so by our Religious beliefs.... As a Gnostic I have come to understand that G-d is not my Judge but my soulmate that helps me thru this life....a life I have chosen in a place of my choice because of my desires that need to manifiest...desires that are not prominent in a Heavenly Mindset. We come here for the experience of becoming Human beings...Christianity has no heart...they totally condemn people for being who they are...say a homosexual...its just reasoning that G-d and you are here to experience that way of life....because of Christianity...we condemn them...thats insane...sometimes people cannot control there desires...this is the lesson of this world (hell). That desire could be sexual or an obession with a belief system....If G-d stated that we do not Judge (condemn) then G-d does not judge (condemn)...for me there is no sin or evil...just ignorance and lack of compassion for selfish motives...ego!! There are only five passions of ignorance...Lust, Greed, Ego, vanity and materialism. We all have these qualities but how much do we live with in ourselves...thats how I see this world.

                                  Language was derived from Mathematics...numerology...positive and negative values...associated with grunts....exchange...language was created so we could easily exchange values. What ever they may be...maybe we will have a new language in the future...still it will be associated with Exchange. symbolism......hey you got me started....I am not a religous person...a spiritual one yes...
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                                  Sun, February 8, 2009 - 7:01 AM
                                  There is no compelling proof that the Christian hell & God do exist. The only "proof" they have to offer is no more valid than trying to prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists because of the corolation between fewer pirates and global warming. It also comes down to a choice. In the end putting faith in any supreme being is a choice that we make based on the sort of god that resonates with us. After reading about this tempermental and judgemental god of the bible I made the clear choice that such a god is not deserving of my respect. When some proposed god leaves no indisputable evidence of his existance and then claims the right to punish non believers in any way at all I reject the whole premise as well as the god
                                  The late Issac Asimov once wrote that such a god could eaisly leave behind some evidence. Asimov suggested that god could have written a scientific equation into the bible that would be proven by scientists centuries later or some grand display like carving out some biblical quote on the far side of the moon for us to find when we got there.

                                  So it comes down to faith and as Mark Twain once said; "Faith is believing in what you know ain't so."
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                                    Sun, February 8, 2009 - 9:59 AM
                                    reading all the words...

                                    round and round we go....
                                    where we'll stop....

                                    language... we all got the virus .. "i tell you waht- uh huh"

                                    funny but seems like religion and hard core doctrine and belief systems aka myths and dogma, are an illness too now.
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                                    Sun, February 8, 2009 - 1:04 PM
                                    <The late Issac Asimov once wrote that such a god could eaisly leave behind some evidence. Asimov suggested that god could have written a scientific equation into the bible that would be proven by scientists centuries later or some grand display like carving out some biblical quote on the far side of the moon for us to find when we got there. >

                                    That is to assume the human mind can even comprehend this equation, at any rate, the equation is there.

                                    <So it comes down to faith and as Mark Twain once said; "Faith is believing in what you know ain't so.">

                                    Athiest always confuse what faith means, yes one definition of faith is the belief in the unproven. But Christian faith does not use that definition, in order to have Christian faith, you must first be convinced of Gods existence. Christian faith is trusting in God, as in, I have faith in him to keep his word. Christian faith is born from belief not the other way around.
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                                      Sun, February 8, 2009 - 1:24 PM
                                      Why would anyone have faith in something they didnt believe in?
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                                        Thu, February 12, 2009 - 8:05 PM
                                        <Why would anyone have faith in something they didnt believe in? >

                                        The point is that belief is not result of faith but visa versa, My faith in God is absolute and not be shaken by any revelation. That faith exists because my belief in God is grounded not in "Belief of the unknown" but in the experiences of Gods power. My faith exists because God has proven himself and continues to do so.
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                                          Thu, February 12, 2009 - 8:46 PM
                                          I believe in my own virgin, uh, version, of God. And it's NOT the Christian God. Similar perhaps. Minus all the negative bs. I have no proof or faith in this God either. Just a human ideal of what I conceive & perceive. And I dont believe any living person can know what happens to us after death. Not even people that have had near death experiences. I have had MANY myself! Multiply Nikki Sixx times 10 and subtract his bank account. Try to figure the remaining balance. I'm just playing with words & love me some Nikki. And surely he's lived more extreme than many. ANYWAY. I think anyone that's living that says they died or had a near death experience just cant know what happens. They arent dead. They have NOT died. They have experienced whatever theyve expeienced. And I have experienced what I have experienced. But I'm not dead. Supposedly. More like a fucking zombie yo. BRAINZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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                                      Sun, February 8, 2009 - 1:51 PM
                                      It really does not matter which horse goes before which cart. First I do not believe that the god of the bible even exists. Second when I did believe in his existance I lost faith in his ability to keep his word. My negative experiences with that are as valid as your positive ones.

                                      The Christian faith is but one of many. It only sits above other religions in the eyes of Christians. It got a big boost in the past when various secular powers used Christianity as a tool to stay in power. The fact that Christianity became that tool was not preordained. It could eaisly have been other religions as has been the case in the Middle East.

                                      Not all Christians do have a trust in their god. Look at that murderous period called the Inquisition. At that time Christian leaders used earthly powers to brutalize and kill thousands of non-believers. IF they really believed that the non-believers were evil they would have left it to their god to punich the heretics when they died. Deep down the inquisitors had deep doubts that their god was real so they meated out punishment here on earth.

                                      I speculate about the kind of god I would like to believe in. That god could very well be a Black female. She could be a lesbian. Her heaven would include people of all faiths as well as non believers. She is secure enough that she feels no need to punish in any way those who choose not to worship her. In the great cosmic scheme of things there is as little or as much chance the she exists as their is for the biblical god.
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                                        Sun, February 8, 2009 - 6:51 PM
                                        <The fact that Christianity became that tool was not preordained. It could eaisly have been other religions as has been the case in the Middle East.
                                        >

                                        I disagree the rise in power of the false christians is well outlined in revelations.
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                                          Sun, February 8, 2009 - 7:10 PM
                                          I think it can be an arbitrary decision to label some as real Christians and others as false. Which set of Christians in this country are the real ones thes days? Is it the fire and brimstone fundmentalists who preach intolerance toward gay people or Christians like Bishop Robinson who preach acceptance and who is himself a gay man? Some even say that the entire Catholic Church are not "real" Christians and who are they to judge? We have bishops in Europe who deny the holocaust and we have people like Bishop Tutu who preach brotherhood with the Jewish faith. Which of them are false?

                                          You can find a different interpation of any part of the Bible. Who is to say which one represents "real" Christianity? I know people who follow teachings of Jesus but do not think he was the son of God. Tehy call themselves secular Christians. And why not?
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                                            Mon, February 9, 2009 - 1:22 PM
                                            <Which set of Christians in this country are the real ones thes days? Is it the fire and brimstone fundmentalists who preach intolerance toward gay people or Christians like Bishop Robinson who preach acceptance and who is himself a gay man? Some even say that the entire Catholic Church are not "real" Christians and who are they to judge? We have bishops in Europe who deny the holocaust and we have people like Bishop Tutu who preach brotherhood with the Jewish faith. Which of them are false? >

                                            Jesus answered this 2000 years ago:

                                            Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


                                            Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?


                                            Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


                                            Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
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                                              Mon, February 9, 2009 - 6:45 PM
                                              I have never thought the Catholic Church is the real Christian church, "Body of Christ" or "Bride of Christ." They are pagan. They own ALOT of this planet. They are soaked with the blood of innocents. They backed and supported the Nazis as well as many other fucked up shit throughout history. Do I sound like I read all the Jack Chick tracts and comic books? : )

                                              www.google.com/search
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                                                Mon, February 9, 2009 - 7:03 PM
                                                Believe me I am no advocate for the Catholic Church. I just find all the infighting among self described Christians sort of entertaining. In the long view of things the arguments as to who the real Christians are really is no more important than Trekers arguing about which Star Trek series was the best.
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                                                  Mon, February 9, 2009 - 7:14 PM
                                                  i experienced "The Holy Spirit" in church, and saw lightning fire through the sky during a sermon, in key, and point with the prayer.
                                                  I felt a white hot wind, that made me cry...
                                                  But, I have figured out, that the term: kundalini is a more accurate description, and shakti, and stuff are more arrived at wisdoms, but not THE end of discovery.
                                                  The metaphor of Christ (I start to read the story of Isha (Egytian story of Jesus)) and see more truth in it than in the King James version of Christnas
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                                                  Mon, February 9, 2009 - 7:36 PM
                                                  <Believe me I am no advocate for the Catholic Church. I just find all the infighting among self described Christians sort of entertaining. In the long view of things the arguments as to who the real Christians are really is no more important than Trekers arguing about which Star Trek series was the best. >

                                                  How Dare you! everyone knows Kirk was the best.
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                                                    Mon, February 9, 2009 - 7:54 PM
                                                    I like both. Both were good looking too. But if I had to choose only one to have sex with it would most definitely be Patrick Stewart. He is much more of a man than William Shattnerd could ever hope to be.

                                                    images.google.com/images

                                                    img69.imageshack.us/img69/21...tnyg5.jpg - They are like so gay for each other in this one. lol
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                                                      Tue, February 10, 2009 - 6:11 PM
                                                      LOL! I seriously hope Shatners sex is more imaginative then his fighting, that roll and double punch thing was just done to death!
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                                                        Tue, February 10, 2009 - 6:28 PM
                                                        A few nights ago I saw a rerun of Boston Legal. Shatner's character was talking with is friend about salmon fishing in British Columbia and his friend told him that the salmon sometimes had a parasite attached to then called "Klingons." Shatner replies "Did you say Klingons?"

                                                        I think there was another Trek reference when a cell phone made the TOS communicator beep when it rang.
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                                                          Tue, February 10, 2009 - 6:52 PM
                                                          I think he murdered his wife.
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                                                            Tue, February 10, 2009 - 7:08 PM
                                                            well this is the conspiracy tribe. Maybe his body double was in on it and made for Shatner's alibi the night she died.
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                                                              Tue, February 10, 2009 - 7:36 PM
                                                              I read something about him having her killed or something. I swear I need to keep pen and paper with me at all times. Throughout the day I think of so many things to post then forget them all by the time I get homo. : ( I have started writing things down at work more. And I take extensive notes while watching documentaries. Just gotta make the time to post.

                                                              WU
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                                                                Thu, February 12, 2009 - 3:31 PM
                                                                time is another virus... i got that one too... never enough
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                                                                  Thu, February 12, 2009 - 4:03 PM
                                                                  Time....way doesn't time go backwards....always forwards....I ain't got no time to correct myself....is time a test........I'll ask a religious person....maybe I will get the answer I am looking for.....yet ....I don't know what I am looking for...

                                                                  I am studing language right now....legal language...its alot different than the language we use...were Stupid....Oh yea ...think different...then why do you go to a lawyer when you don't know your rights.....or a doctor when you got a sneeze....because....THEY...think your stupid.....as a matter of fact...you prove it.......we are so stupid that we don't even understand what the law is...we only correspond to it......you have been trained....if you knew how juvenile the law is....you would laugh...truly......if you knew your Common Law rights your constitution....there would be no need to conform to statue Law....voluntary law by consent because you don't know how to give your consent....study it ...its true...no as a free person under law answer to no one....

                                                                  Words from space....inner space maybe.....reality...surly....you cannot truly understand where you are in this world without knowing what the true law is......statue acts are now law....they are acts enforced as law...( an act is an action and only volutary) ...thru consent.......you ablige them...cops have no rights to grab you outside of a conflict without your permission.....and they do....they got no rights under law....fuck every thing else and know what it means to live in a bankrupt country that has been bankrupt since its birth...under a fiat currency that is not yours and that your country is held account for every debt your population has created to a endless credit system...then you will understand why Capital One is always calling...................................There is no money.....never has been,.....never will be....its all an economice illusion lost on computers all over the world....and were sweating this...
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                                                                  Thu, February 12, 2009 - 8:09 PM
                                                                  <time is another virus... i got that one too... never enough >

                                                                  Is time a virus or an illusion?
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                                                                    Fri, February 13, 2009 - 6:54 AM
                                                                    at least your trying to stay on topic, unlike everyone else..
                                                                    so, language, is viral...
                                                                    then so are children.
                                                                    can we use language to define language?
                                                                    viral: something which uses infective agents to produce copies of its self.
                                                                    language, uses communication to ad adherents that can share effectively the spell that cast itself.
                                                                    yes, language is viral
                                                                    is it from space?
                                                                    if we are separate from "space" i would like to know HOW!
                                                                    are we communicating with space? (again, we are in a ring around the Sun, do you say "Saturn's Rings are not of Saturn?" do you say:"the moon is not in the Earth's system?")
                                                                    Language is crazy, my 2 year old daughter is being forced into it..... for convenience of the parents!
                                                                    i have wondered, what it would be like to be raised by wolves...
                                                                    not as bad as some would say.
                                                                    culture thus, is the main injector of language, not some space aliens....
                                                                    the most obvious answer is the primary source.
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                                                                      Fri, February 13, 2009 - 7:04 AM
                                                                      The usage of words can become "viral" and can impact how we talk about everyday issues. I have seen in debates here on Tribe and in other bloggs how words are used by different sides in debating issues.

                                                                      In one blogg they are discussing the issue of veganism and the kind of food that people eat. I note that omnivoures label veganism as a dietary choice and that vegans insist that it is a lifestyle.

                                                                      In discussions about the issue of immigration those who support the rights of immigrants use the term 'undocumented worker' and opponets of immigration use the term 'illegal alien.'

                                                                      In both cases either side is free to use which ever term they choose. Neither side can dictate to anybody which language to use.
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                                                                        Fri, February 13, 2009 - 7:12 AM
                                                                        Speaking of language being viral, many people have come to type "your" instead of "you're" and vice versa. As internet "communication" proceeds, I notice the continuing misuse of words such as in the case I highlighted above.

                                                                        There are correct situations for each, but judging by the posts even in this thread about language, one could have a hard time figuring out which is the correct way. It's better to ask yourself, "Do I mean "you're" (you are) or "your" (denoting possession/ownership)?"
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                                                                          Sat, February 14, 2009 - 5:48 PM
                                                                          <It's better to ask yourself, "Do I mean "you're" (you are) or "your" (denoting possession/ownership)?" >

                                                                          Given that language is a virus and is alive in it's own right, then those who control grammar and syntax actually seek to control culture. The only reason to stick to grammatical rules, is so that the "collective" of the culture who also know the rules, can participate in your knowledge. But we can always choose to communicate by our own rules and choose who we wish to understand. The "collective" refers to this as slang. Ultimately those poor souls that demand for grammatical correctness, are really saying, please don't leave me out.
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                                                                      Sat, February 14, 2009 - 5:40 PM
                                                                      <culture thus, is the main injector of language, not some space aliens....
                                                                      the most obvious answer is the primary source.
                                                                      >

                                                                      We are back the basic problem of the chicken and egg. Which came first societies and culture or language? Does culture create language, or did language create culture. I believe the latter.
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                                                                        Sun, February 15, 2009 - 1:27 PM
                                                                        "I believe the latter."

                                                                        Then poor use of language creates a dumber culture.
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                                                                          Mon, February 16, 2009 - 11:49 AM
                                                                          <Then poor use of language creates a dumber culture.>

                                                                          There is some truth to the idea that human culture is on a down ward slide, or perhaps it is cyclic, rising and falling.
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                                                                            Tue, February 17, 2009 - 11:08 AM
                                                                            there is a bluring and blending in languages, i agree but is it really so bad, (easy to misunderstand often agreed, but,
                                                                            look beyond the letters and see the intention beneith it...
                                                                            not everyone comes from an educated background
                                                                            or has had the opportunities that we take for granted so easily,
                                                                            or they may not have learned proper communication skills... reguardless...
                                                                            who's fault is that- doesn't matter, --
                                                                            can they still communicate and be understood- hopefully...

                                                                            we need to all just get over the misspelling, poor syntax, playing school marm, and try to understand one another.

                                                                            being corrected is not condusive to raising ones conciousness...





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                                                                              Tue, February 17, 2009 - 11:10 AM
                                                                              at least till tribe installs a spell / grammer check key...
                                                                              then read us for not using it...
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                                                                                Tue, February 17, 2009 - 11:15 AM
                                                                                If you right click in your post entry window, there is indeed a spell check function.
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                                                                                  Wed, February 18, 2009 - 5:11 PM
                                                                                  <If you right click in your post entry window, there is indeed a spell check function.>

                                                                                  i don't have a "post entry "... my screen says "preview" and "submit" only...

                                                                                  and i've tried the right click on both of those but don't have a spell check function window pop up...

                                                                                  must be a personal compurter function not a tribe thing huh?

                                                                                  i'm a horrible speller, and i know it, being from the school of "hunt and peck" doesn't help either... lol
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                                                                                    Wed, February 18, 2009 - 6:29 PM
                                                                                    What I meant by "post entry window" is the field where I am entering these words. If I right click my mouse in this space, there is an option that says "Check Spelling" which will put a red line under any words that are misspelled. Highly useful. You may be onto something, that it's not tribe's function, but rather Mozilla Firefox's.
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                                        Thu, February 12, 2009 - 8:08 PM
                                        <It really does not matter which horse goes before which cart. First I do not believe that the god of the bible even exists. Second when I did believe in his existance I lost faith in his ability to keep his word. My negative experiences with that are as valid as your positive ones.>

                                        I never said they weren't, I would like to hear more about the experiences that lead you to that conclusion, I understand however if they are too private. You can always email.
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                                          Wed, February 18, 2009 - 9:14 AM
                                          --We are back the basic problem of the chicken and egg. Which came first societies and culture or language? Does culture create language, or did language create culture. I believe the latter.---

                                          Art created Culture....Language is an artform....so I agree with that.....

                                          If we look at this spiritually and get the understanding of something like reincarnation that language increased as mans conscious mind increased....with this...it was guided by mans Art....now in our schools they are doing everything possible to remove music, art, physical education which is intution and art and focusing on the other side of the brain which deals with Praticallity....we now have robots of practical thinking and not critical thinking and they use our language to fool us as they use language to fool you about the law.....

                                          Why is it that no one seems to understand what a G-d is....like the jidea the God of the Bible.....G-d is Creation flowing out from the source....this creation is coming at us at all times and never stops....sure the birds and bees are part of it but also there have been billions of spieces of animals that have perished over time....this is all creation in a flow...we are also part of this creation except for one thing....we have the ability to grow out of the state we are in....animals do not....they evolve sure...but if what they have as a source of food was to disappear they would....but mankind is not like that....we can percieve somesort of future...a dog does not...a squirrel does, he hordes food...but only for one season and its instinct...a squirrel cannot eat a dog...a dog can eat a squirrel so a dog needs not be concerned about storing food....we are different than that...we horde because we know there is a future....language has adapted to this future....it is the future....for instance the banks are not giving bouneses to there CEOs they are giving them Incentives....got to like that one....language tends to fool you....language can make you mindless also....catch phrases and cliches that mean fuck all yet marketed to you....LA Diets....Pharmacudicals....Big Food Manufacturers are the first to jump on the band wagon...change there Cliches to new ones but still produce the same shit....Words are mightier than the sword for sure....were are all the poets...
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                                            Wed, February 18, 2009 - 10:01 AM
                                            I agree Brian, we seem to be on the same cord with this, words have the power of life and death, so use them wisely,
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                                              Wed, February 18, 2009 - 5:06 PM
                                              <,So we should just let everyone go on thinking that their incorrect views are correct? >

                                              no, i think you misunderstood my point, i was talking about spelling and syntax errors, and seeing the intention of ideas expressed, not ideas and views correction, but now that you bring it up...
                                              just because we may not agree on a particular 'view point " and may have different perspectives of an issue it doesn't mean the other is "wrong", and must be corrected, it is just different view , no need to devalue anothers perspective - to valadate one's own--
                                              i don't see value in that..

                                              would you not agree?

                                              i can't believe i'm saying this again, but john., i agree words are a tool for communication and we should be careful how we use them..
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                                                Thu, February 19, 2009 - 6:25 AM
                                                In the last 15 or more yrs the computer has taken its place as the Ruler....it rules no doubt...the earth has shrank....we can talk or write to each other instantly across the planet and if be even into space.....English a scripted language is the language of the Box for us....how many of us have heard the commercials for the Sylvan School of Learning...its focus is to make kids computer language litterite..thats the idea of the school but what they found out was that the more kids learned the language the more they understood what a real education was beyound just learning the proper language.....so why cannot the Public Fool System do this...because its programmed by people who want robots and not real People who can think...our educational system has failed our children and all do to those who do not want you to have the ability to use your own mind....and many of these kids to day really understand what is going on....its always the youth who make the changes in our lives.....

                                                I have been studing the law...Common Law and Admiralty law....its quite the topic....its so fucking juvenile you would shit yourself if you really got the gyst...for instance...all laws are taken straight from the Bible....the Roman Bible....for example....

                                                Christ stated that "Those with ears should listen and those with Eyes should see"....the Roman Maxium in law is "Let those who would be decieved be decieved"....or ignorance of the law is no excuse.....Words.....one phrase was meant to be positive while the second one is its negative reply....Words....Same meaning but different directions....and its the law....the law is based on deception....and making you believe in this deception...for instance...in the US you are a republic...that means SELF GOVERNING...thats what freedom is...so why do you and others bow down to a REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT... and why does this government create laws to control you...because the original REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT has been taken over by Admiralty law and the Bank of England and the Vatican....your republic is still in effect but they got you bundled up into a de-facto bankrupt Corporation called the Corporation of the US...no different than any country that is a corporation....that means the Queen of England and Pope Benny rule your money....they own it...you don't...its a debt...our countries have been operating in Bankruptcy since the 30s.....all the gold in Fort Knox is now in the Bank of England....they bought it...and Roosevelt ordered all gold to be brought in to the Government back in the 30s....now thats got to say something...it means that when you go bankrupt the Government must pay the debt...your not responsible...but they got you believing your are...

                                                Heres how the WORDS WORK against us.....

                                                Upon your Birth a document is created to signify a live Birth...its signed by your Mother and the Doctor...it represents Chattel or property which is owned by the IMF...its simply a document...it only represents you and is not you...you are a Freeman/woman on the land (Common Law)....the Birth Certificate is a Bond Tracking Number to an account that is endless in the IMF...its your Birth Right given to you under a bankrupt society....that bond number is there to relieve you of all debts....ALL DEBTS...even your mortgage because nothing you got...you own...its all owned by who backs the money or fiat currency...there is no money...you won't see the word money on your currency at all...its a Note...like an IOU...You can off set all debts thru that Bond Tracking Number or the BC Number...same thing...and the account is endless....money is your "Signature" because you are Chattel or property and that property has the right to access this bond...its yours....you give up the right to this bond by joining the Corporation of your country....with a SS or SIN number...now the corporation is using this bond for the use in Government...these are the transfer payments between the Federal Government to the States or Provinces...its your money being used to run the game of government....its all about you and they take it away with WORDS....how this works is simple you Accept for Value your debt...you simply accept it...that gives value to the currency...your Words again....seeing that the currency is fiat without value...you give it value...you give value to money by accepting it do you not....so you accept the debt then set-of is used to pay the debt....Winston Shrout....google the guy and get an education that we all need...and we will change this fucking world for the better...
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                                                  Thu, February 19, 2009 - 11:03 AM
                                                  brian, good point
                                                  words are like our currency, in an ecomony of communication,

                                                  whew, you almost lost me there for a min...

                                                  and i heard modzilla has all kinds of security issues, my own personal wonk has suggested not installing it...
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                                                    Wed, February 25, 2009 - 6:25 PM
                                                    bump.... excuse me...lol
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                                                      Fri, March 6, 2009 - 3:33 PM
                                                      Look up the Legal Bill of Exchange...look it up...Read it...You wouldn't have a fucking clue what its all about..................Unless..........you look up the meanings of those words in a Leagal Dictionary.........Different language.....Legal Language...So what is the difference between Legal and Lawful....You tell me....your Quzz little people....Like in the Wizard of Ounce...OOps....OZ..

                                                      Sizzle we can do this hear or do it private on mail...but I got a question for you....I think your there for it...any one can message me for this, I will try to respond but it will be in a sense of lecture...I hope you don't mind....the Question....

                                                      Are You a person...
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                                                        Fri, March 6, 2009 - 3:48 PM

                                                        We are people....mankind...no artifical means can make us whole...none...we live off the land....fuck fox....got it...Bubba...I love that because I plan to represent myself in court on income tax ....as...Jethro... My name....because I want that as a free man...My real name is a fiction...created by someone else without my consent....Consent....Its easier to change you name than any thing in society....You just call yourself that.......no dispute in court..they call that an alias......who said so...
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                                                        Fri, March 6, 2009 - 6:42 PM
                                                        <--------Presses the please be friendly button again.
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                                                          Fri, March 6, 2009 - 7:25 PM
                                                          i think there for i am....brian,
                                                          a be ing .... a who man .. an ackward growing awareness , if nothing else...
                                                          please go on ... i'm not sure i understand you ....does't sound like a lecture... is it supposed to?
                                                          so what is the point you are trying to make please?

                                                          thanks for the polite button check...m
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                                                            Fri, March 6, 2009 - 7:37 PM
                                                            Ever Watchful....

                                                            Watch your thoughts, for they become words.

                                                            Watch your words, for they become actions.

                                                            Watch your actions, for they become habits.

                                                            Watch your habits, for they become character.

                                                            Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.
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                                                              Mon, March 9, 2009 - 7:31 PM
                                                              <Ever Watchful....

                                                              Watch your thoughts, for they become words.

                                                              Watch your words, for they become actions.

                                                              Watch your actions, for they become habits.

                                                              Watch your habits, for they become character.

                                                              Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.
                                                              >
                                                              This is the essence of spiritual truth, well said. For ages human beings try to control each other by creating laws, but that is working the wrong way up the latter, and brings war, death and destruction. The way to change the world is to change the ideas and the rest will follow, in Christianity we call this the kingdom of God.
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                                                                Tue, March 10, 2009 - 5:13 AM
                                                                First comes desire, then there is the deed, then follows the destiny.
                                                                -Upanishad Veda
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                                                                  Fri, March 13, 2009 - 8:32 PM
                                                                  where does "feeling groovy" fit in?
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                                                                    Sat, March 14, 2009 - 6:16 AM
                                                                    it fits in the groove, of course!
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                                                                      Sat, March 14, 2009 - 6:19 AM
                                                                      of course, every action in your mind, creates grooves.
                                                                      every breath, every thought, every step we take, creates WHOLE Universi.
                                                                      This trips people out, when they start to pick up on...
                                                                      Some say, "well, I must not step... " but they then remain living...
                                                                      We have no choice but to find a groove, and surf it!
                                                                      We are each a series of spinning gyros, how we balance out these forces is the melody we generate.
                                                                      My realization that every move we make, is Universe, came from watching the Buddhist Monks make a sand mandala (special Universe), and then pour it into a river!
                                                                      They are chanting into each grain of sand, and so....
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                                                                        Sat, March 14, 2009 - 9:43 AM
                                                                        ---Are You a person...---

                                                                        In school we are taught that we the people individually are persons. But we are not in reality, we are soverign men an women born on the land. A person is a personification of an Image such as the images of the Greek playwrights mask, one smiling one frowning. Now we all believe that we are persons. Check out what a person is in a legal dictionary and you will discover that a rather large con job has been perpetrated by our Corporate Governments. A corporation is a person, a human being by Satute law is a person. A person is a corporation because under Common Law a Corporation cannot Sue a human Being soverign. Therefore the Corporation of the United States can now sue a person (man/woman) because they do not know there Common Law Rights, the constitution. Now we all have the right to property and the pursuit of happiness constitutionally. But as a person you are now subject to income tax which is in the legal dictionary a means of taking away the rights to property and the pursuit of happiness. As a person with a SS or SIN number you are employed by the Corporation of your country. You are an agent therefore must live by Satute acts enforced as Laws.

                                                                        The only real Law that exist is the Common Law rights of non-conflict. You can do whatever you like as long as you do not interfere with the rights under Common Law of another...in our society we call this the Criminal Code. The infringement of your rights. Since the Bankruptcy of the US and Canada back in the 30s, the British Monarchy along with the Vatican and the Bank of England (Rothchilds) bailed out the countries and create courts of Commerce throughout the nations. America is under the British Domain....and part of the Holy Roman Empire...the Vatican. Pope Benny....(George HW Bush, George W Bush and Greenspan have all been knighted by the Queen, this never hit your media, its its on You Tube) This all deals with the UCC, Uniform Commerical Code. The creation of a Person is done with the Birth Certificate which none of you signed but your parents under the fact that they have Power of Attorney until you turn to a legal age to sign contracts and vote. Until then your not knowledgeable enought to do so. Once you hit this age you are forced to get a SS or SIN under the threat that you cannot work in YOUR COUNTRY with out it. Who said so...in freedom we are all self governing and give consent to be governed....with a SS or SIN number you give up that consent.

                                                                        All words, that mean different ideas. Get a Blacks legal dictionary and find out what other shit the legal profession pisses on you.

                                                                        What is the difference between Legal and Lawful?
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                                                                          Sat, March 14, 2009 - 10:29 AM
                                                                          brian, dude, why do you sound like someone pissed in your corn flakes?

                                                                          we are all sovereign entities, as it should be and it is ok , so get over it.

                                                                          chillax
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                                                                            Sat, March 14, 2009 - 12:11 PM
                                                                            Actually, we aren't all sovereign entities. I do believe that was Brian's point.

                                                                            Here's some more info on this topic: www.dailypaul.com/node/17851

                                                                            This response to that article is spot on (ignoring the spelling errors):

                                                                            "Has anyone done any in depth study of this stuff?
                                                                            On December 28th, 2007 lupester says:
                                                                            There are two kinds of law on the earth as I've said, one is called Civil Law which is the law of the land and one is Maritime Admiralty which is called the law of water. Maritime Admiralty is Banking Law and the law of the Maritime Admiralty says that you, because you came out of your mothers water are a maritime Admiralty product, this is why the ship is sitting in its birth and is tied to the dock and the captain has to give a certificate of manifest to the port authorities. Because money is changing hands this is why when you were born you have to have a birth certificate. It has to be signed by the doc cause thats where the ship is tied to, so the doc signs your birth certificate. Why? Because you came out of your mothers water, you came down her birth canal you are a maritime Admiralty product. Therefore your birth certificate is signed by your mother and where your mother signed on the birth certificate you will see it does not say parent or mother, it says informant. Your mother was informing the bank that she has just produced another product to be bought and sold. England the British Crown through international banking owns your physical body and thats the law. The bottom line is that your a maritime Admiralty product and therefore the banks own your body. On the back of the social security card will be numbers in RED on the front will be blue or black but on the back they will be in red. The numbers on the back of a the SS card in red designate your body, it is the serial number of your stock. This is why if your wealthy your prefered stock, if your poor your common stock but your a stock on the stock market. Your body is bought and sold through the use of your birth certifcate. If you could get your original birth certificate back you would find that on the back of the birth certificate are all banks around the world, all over the world banks have used your birth certificate because you are a stock in a Maritime Admiralty banking scheme where you make money for banks. So consequently the corporation and government and people who want to control you they create a second you and that second you that they control that they created is all in CAPITAL LETTERS. Check it out anytime you get a bill, lawsuit, fine, ticket, utility bill, driving licence, social security card, insurance cards, anything period. Anything having to do with business your name will always be in all capital letters because only all capital letters can be dealt with by banks and government anytime you have a name upper and lower case that applys to you, I have no control over you. You sign a contract in which your name is in all captial letters now I can take you to court, now I can take you. As a matter of fact the judge sits on the bench, he rules from the bench. The word bench in latin is a bank, look it up in a latin dictionary. So the judge rules from the bench, right because he ruling for the bank why? Because someones got to pay, its just a game here the queen of england wants her cut of the American blood, she wants her piece so someones got to pay and the moneys going to go where? Into a bank, thats right the judge rules for the bank. So consequently if you work in California making money your then refered to as a francisee of a foreign corporation. 1849 constitution of California says that NO Californian citizen will ever pay taxs in California State ever. There will never be a state tax in California ever, thats the consitution in California but if you say your a United States citizen your saying you work for a privately owned corporation called the United States therefore your a franchisee of a foreign corporation therefore you must pay the California Franchisee Tax Board not the California State Tax Board. There is no State Tax because your a franchisee of a foreign corportation on the Maritime Banking International Law, you work for the Queen of Engliand. Your butt is owned by the Queen of England in a corporation called the United states whilst a man called Bush is the president of the British corporation. You want to talk treason? You need to wake up and find out how this stuff really works. Once you understand that you do not need to submit yourself as an American to a British commerical venture called Courts your an American you don't need to go to Court. You only go to court cause you agree to go to court. When they send you a summons to court you look at it and say thats not me its in all capital letters thats a corporation, its a corpse, its dead, do I look like im dead to you? Besides I'll go to an American system for justice, I do not need to no British Grand Lodge Masonic system called Courts coming out of England manipulating, lying and exploiting people. Everyone in America thinks they have to go to court, I don't go to anyones court, im an American! I dont need to go to court. Thats the difference between being free and being a slave."
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                                                                            Sat, March 14, 2009 - 12:13 PM
                                                                            --brian, dude, why do you sound like someone pissed in your corn flakes?--

                                                                            Soverigns don't pay income tax....dude....citzens do...so what is the difference...dude...there is one and you ain't got a fucking clue Dude...

                                                                            Don't call me....dude.

                                                                            The point is Language.. is it not, and its language that I am dealing with and you haven't got a clue what I am saying...as far as someone pissing on my corn flakes that happened the day I was born....I am not so conforming as you may be because in a so called free society what is it your conforming to.

                                                                            You don't understand you have GIVEN UP YOUR SOVERIGNTY, Did that kind of fly over your head. You joined a club call the Corporation using a SS number, you given up your Rights to your Constitution...understand. Thats why Bush called it a piece of paper.
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                                                                              Sat, March 14, 2009 - 2:45 PM
                                                                              brian, eagle head, <I am not so conforming as you may be because in a so called free society what is it your conforming to. >

                                                                              you obviously don't know me or the first thing about me so don't project your "issues" upon me or expect me to conform to your belief systems, no matter how wordy thay may be... do that iand i won't call you dude... deal?

                                                                              only please speak for your self , and own it... stop saying YOU when you mean"I" or "Me" ...k?
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                                                                                Sat, March 14, 2009 - 2:50 PM
                                                                                to whom it may concern-

                                                                                a cynic is one thing troll is another,

                                                                                i never hurled insults at anyone ,
                                                                                so i would appreciate the same courtesy if you are capable ...

                                                                                thanks

                                                                                shall i translate ?
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                                                                                  Tue, March 17, 2009 - 8:09 AM
                                                                                  --Do you live 100% off grid Brian? Do you have a birth certificate? A job? A bank account?--

                                                                                  I ordered my Birth Certificate from the Government, it came on Government Bonded Paper and certified....Bonded paper means its a security or a Bond. I now have Control of it. Do the same and you will see. Get that Long Form Birth Certificate, the Government is obligated to do so.

                                                                                  With this I will Accept for Value my Credit Card Debt and write it off thru the Ministry Of Finance as you can do thru your US treasury. That $8000 that will be wiped out. One of my buddies wrote of $75k on income taxes. Hard to believe isn't it. But we got rid of a national debt doing this...its benefical to your Country...from what I understand a few yrs ago over 400 billion in the US was wiped out this way....the Federal Reserve lowered there rate by .25 cents. Your getting rid of your debt.

                                                                                  Yea I got a job, so tell me what is the difference between being a Legal Worker (agent) and a Lawfull workers (common law). Do you need a SS to work in your country if your Free People. Do you not have the right to contract.

                                                                                  I got a Bank Account in a Credit Union therefore I did not Apply (beg) Submit (give up my rights) and register (give up control) to the Bank....I bought a Membership. Very different process.

                                                                                  I am now putting to gether my Claim of Rights and Intent and Lawful Excuse....I will give up my SIN number and have control over my BC...after this I will be able to create a rather large Bond of 10 million which will act as a Debt Resolution factor.

                                                                                  Why be off the Grid when I can use it thru my BC.
                                                                                  You can pay all your Debts with your BC.

                                                                                  This is a post I put on the Politics site to explain to some of the people out there that the situation that is happening in the US and world wide was created by the elite. We all know this, but I have studied this Banking stuff for many yrs. I mean really studied it...for instance please read the post I will put here. Its not that long but condensed.

                                                                                  There is a group of us trying to educate the people in our city to this robbery, hopefully it can influence you people to look into this.

                                                                                  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                                                                  ♪♫♪♫♪♫ WHERE THE MONEY WENT ♫♪♫♪♫♪

                                                                                  What money, check Blacks Legal Dictionary and find out that money is commodities such as Gold, Silver, Diamonds and so on. What we deal with is Fiat Currency or credits. Fiat means without value, therefore in order to give Federal Reserve Notes value is Acceptance. In the Legal Bill of Exchange act, the only way to put value to Fiat Currency is the Acceptance of it. Such as "Accepted for value". The Federal Reserve only allows you to use there money at a cost of interest, thus Income Taxes to pay the Interest on the Loan. US Treasury Bonds back the fiat currency thus AIG had to solidify the Euro Banks in order to give value to the Currency thus the US Treasury Bonds. If not, then the countries that are hording US Currency not money, will flood the market with trillions of US currency thus devaluing the dollar to nothing. AIG would have been finished. With this the bankruptcy of the US system, and the Federal Reserve (private bankers) would with draw the currency and cash in on the US Treasury Bonds and take more control of your country. Despotism. All banking institutions except for two are in part of the IMF, including Euro trash as Cliff likes to put it. The US dollar reigns supreme because of US productivity, thus giving VALUE to the currency. Thanks to Globalization the productivity of the US is increasingly losing ground. Thanks to the media and puff journalism, the mindless crowds of citizens who believed that Globalization was good for them now understands that the Globalist were the IMF. Not the population that was led down the pathway of complete stupidity. Because of Corporatization, the US currency must back up the foreign Banks in order to salvage the value of the Buck.

                                                                                  ---Other EuroTrash banks that got your money include:
                                                                                  Royal Bank of Scotland
                                                                                  UBS
                                                                                  BNP Paribas
                                                                                  Banco Santander
                                                                                  Danske, Rabobank,
                                                                                  Calyon, part of Credit Agricole.---

                                                                                  Notice the word "Royal" Bank of Scotland. A British Monarchy Bank, now who owns your money, the Monarchy. Thats why you have Commerce Courts in America. A Republic is when a citizen is self Governing. Free. In a Common Law Jurisdiction such as the US, there is no need for Commerce Courts when dealing with Contract. Commerce Courts operate under Statue Acts enforced as laws but are not Criminal in contex. Victimless Crimes that generate Commerce. Before 1913 these courts did not exist. By 1933 they were all over the place and Prohibition was created to generate Commerce. The Birth Certificate and SS was created in order to put the population under employment of the Corporate Government that was created out of Bankruptcy. Thus the citizens of the country then became Agents of the Corporation and subject to Income Taxes without Full Disclosure of the Law. With this you gave up your Soverign Status and became Citizens (Agents) employed by the corporate Government

                                                                                  --WHERE THE MONEY WENT--WELL JUST FOLLOW IT!!!
                                                                                  Follow the Yellow Brick road to the Emerald City....the IMF. The IMF is a collaboration between 3 rather large organizations. 1) The Vatican in the Vatican City not part of Italy. 2) The Bank of England where all the money and Gold is stored still not part of England but on international ground or District Of. 3) The US Federal Reserve in the most productive economy on the planet and in the District of Columbia again international.
                                                                                  So what does this signify....the Vatican is the most powerful Bank on the planet with over Two thousand yrs experience and tax free money.....zillions of it. The Bank of England, the Bank of the Vatican controled by the Rothchilds. and the military arm of the Vatican the good ole USA. Now when Pope Benny visited the Good Ole USA he kissed the dirt, the motherlode, while he was visiting in the back rooms the Banksters and Gangsters where contriving the BAIL OUT!!!!!
                                                                                  GHW Bush, George W Bush and Greenspan where all knighted by the Queen which is against your constitution. Go figure that one out.

                                                                                  One of the Two Banks on the planet that is not part of the IMF directly is the Bank Of Canada where I live. And they the boys in charge are saying that Canada will suffer less in this economic climate and will rebound faster than the rest of the planet. In 1901 Queen Victoria removed the Monarchy from Canada and we got control of our Banking system. Yet in the 1930s Bankruptcy hit the planet and Canada is now registered a Corporation in the US Treasury, thus we borrow our money as the 13th district of the US Federal Reserve...Yet we got the Queen on our money. You smart Americans will figure this out...the Queen Backs your Money....its that simple...thats why your at war with Iraq, the Monarchy, which is a Bank ordered it. And George W Bush did it under orders. He got Knighted for his contribution to the Monarchy and the control of Iraqs Oil.

                                                                                  All of this is under the Uniform Commercial Code, which is how commerce is done on this planet, if you don't follow this code you are not in the Game. 3rd world countries are being swallowed up into the Holy Roman Empire. This is the NWO, this is what many call the Illuminati...in reality its just Buisness as usual...911 wiped out Trillions of dollars in Debt money. No records left...building 7 came down for the same reason. The UCC was created thousands of Yrs ago by the Summerians and the Babylonians. The Ancient Summers had cuniform tablets, and these tablets where contracts. The mysterious Babylonian Religion is Commerce for you religious people.


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                                                                                    Thu, April 2, 2009 - 8:13 AM
                                                                                    Education is a tool of civilization.
                                                                                    the system of slavery is spartan.
                                                                                    the system of independant monads is freedom
                                                                                    the system of slavery fears the anarchistic deep education
                                                                                    because this is slavery's undoing.
                                                                                    we are entering an penultimate slave trade society
                                                                                    we are there because education systems are enforced by law
                                                                                    we should be free
                                                                                    to become free we have to start new communities that can resist the laws of enforced education, allowing our infants and children free domination of their own future. We have to all stop trying to enforce types of education with laws.
                                                                                    we have to change mentally from spartan slave holders, bent on violent dominance of what should be a flowing river of life.
                                                                                    I am reading: John Taylor Gatto
                                                                                    www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/1g.htm

                                                                                    The Schools Of Hellas

                                                                                    Wherever it occurred, schooling through the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries (up until the last third of the nineteenth) heavily invested its hours with language, philosophy, art, and the life of the classical civilizations of Greece and Rome. In the grammar schools of the day, little pure grammar as we understand it existed; they were places of classical learning. Early America rested easily on a foundation of classical understanding, one subversive to the normal standards of British class society. The lessons of antiquity were so vital to the construction of every American institution it’s hardly possible to grasp how deep the gulf between then and now is without knowing a little about those lessons. Prepare yourself for a surprise.

                                                                                    For a long time, for instance, classical Athens distributed its most responsible public positions by lottery: army generalships, water supply, everything. The implications are awesome— trust in everyone’s competence was assumed; it was their version of universal driving. Professionals existed but did not make key decisions; they were only technicians, never well regarded because prevailing opinion held that technicians had enslaved their own minds. Anyone worthy of citizenship was expected to be able to think clearly and to welcome great responsibility. As you reflect on this, remember our own unvoiced assumption that anyone can guide a ton of metal traveling at high speed with three sticks of dynamite sloshing around in its tanks.

                                                                                    When we ask what kind of schooling was behind this brilliant society which has enchanted the centuries ever since, any honest reply can be carried in one word: None. After writing a book searching for the hidden genius of Greece in its schools, Kenneth Freeman concluded his unique study The Schools of Hellas in 1907 with this summary, "There were no schools in Hellas." No place boys and girls spent their youth attending continuous instruction under command of strangers. Indeed, nobody did homework in the modern sense; none could be located on standardized tests. The tests that mattered came in living, striving to meet ideals that local tradition imposed. The word sköle itself means leisure, leisure in a formal garden to think and reflect. Plato in The Laws is the first to refer to school as learned discussion.

                                                                                    The most famous school in Athens was Plato’s Academy, but in its physical manifestation it had no classes or bells, was a well-mannered hangout for thinkers and seekers, a generator of good conversation and good friendship, things Plato thought lay at the core of education. Today we might call such a phenomenon a salon. Aristotle’s Lyceum was pretty much the same, although Aristotle delivered two lectures a day—a tough one in the morning for intense thinkers, a kinder, gentler version of the same in the afternoon for less ambitious minds. Attendance was optional. And the famous Gymnasium so memorable as a forge for German leadership later on was in reality only an open training ground where men sixteen to fifty were free to participate in high-quality, state-subsidized instruction in boxing, wrestling, and javelin.

                                                                                    The idea of schooling free men in anything would have revolted Athenians. Forced training was for slaves. Among free men, learning was self-discipline, not the gift of experts. From such notions Americans derived their own academies, the French their lycees, and the Germans their gymnasium. Think of it: In Athens, instruction was unorganized even though the city-state was surrounded by enemies and its own society engaged in the difficult social experiment of sustaining a participatory democracy, extending privileges without precedent to citizens, and maintaining literary, artistic, and legislative standards which remain to this day benchmarks of human genius. For its five-hundred-year history from Homer to Aristotle, Athenian civilization was a miracle in a rude world; teachers flourished there but none was grounded in fixed buildings with regular curricula under the thumb of an intricately layered bureaucracy.

                                                                                    There were no schools in Hellas. For the Greeks, study was its own reward. Beyond that few cared to go.
                                                                                    The Fresco At Herculaneum

                                                                                    Sparta, Athens’ neighbor, was a horse of a different color. Society in Sparta was organized around the concept of cradle-to-grave formal training. The whole state was a universal schoolhouse, official prescriptions for the population filled every waking minute and the family was employed as a convenience for the state. Sparta’s public political arrangements were an elaborate sham, organized nominally around an executive branch with two legislative bodies, but ultimate decision-making was in the hands of ephors, a small elite who conducted state policy among themselves. The practical aspect of imitation democracy figures strongly in the thought of later social thinkers such as Machiavelli (1532) and Hobbes (1651), as well as in minds nearer our own time who had influence on the shape of American forced schooling.

                                                                                    Spartan ideas of management came to American consciousness through classical studies in early schooling, through churches, and also through interest in the German military state of Prussia, which consciously modeled itself after Sparta. As the nineteenth century entered its final decades American university training came to follow the Prussian/Spartan model. Service to business and the political state became the most important reason for college and university existence after 1910. No longer was college primarily about developing mind and character in the young. Instead, it was about molding those things as instruments for use by others. Here is an important clue to the philosophical split which informed the foundation of modern schooling and to an important extent still does: small farmers, crafts folk, trades people, little town and city professionals, little industrialists, and older manorial interests took a part of their dream of America from democratic Athens or from republican Rome (not the Rome of the emperors); this comprised a significant proportion of ordinary America. But new urban managerial elites pointed to a future based on Spartan outlook.

                                                                                    When the instructional system of Athens transferred to Imperial Rome, a few schools we would recognize began to appear. The familiar punishment practices of colonial America can be found anticipated vividly in the famous fresco at Herculaneum, showing a Roman schoolboy being held by two of his classmates while the master advances, carrying a long whip. Roman schools must have started discipline early in the morning for we find the poet Martial cursing a school for waking him up at cock’s crow with shouts and beatings; Horace immortalizes pedagogue Orbilius for whipping a love of old poets into him. But we shouldn’t be misled by these school references. What few schools there were in Rome were for boys of prosperous classes, and even most of these relied upon tutors, tradition, and emulation, not school.

                                                                                    The word pedagogue is Latin for a specialized class of slave assigned to walk a student to the schoolmaster; over time the slave was given additional duties, his role was enlarged to that of drill master, a procedure memorialized in Varro’s instituit pedagogus, docet magister: in my rusty altar-boy Latin, The master creates instruction, the slave pounds it in. A key to modern schooling is this: free men were never pedagogues. And yet we often refer to the science of modern schooling as pedagogy. The unenlightened parent who innocently brings matters of concern to the pedagogue, whether that poor soul is called schoolteacher, principal, or superintendent, is usually beginning a game of frustration which will end in no fundamental change. A case of barking up the wrong tree in a dark wood where the right tree is far away and obscure.

                                                                                    Pedagogy is social technology for winning attention and cooperation (or obedience) while strings are attached to the mind and placed in the hands of an unseen master. This may be done holistically, with smiles, music, and light-duty simulations of intellection, or it can be done harshly with rigorous drills and competitive tests. The quality of self-doubt aimed for in either case is similar.

                                                                                    Pedagogy is a useful concept to help us unthread some of the mysteries of modern schooling. That it is increasingly vital to the social order is evinced by the quiet teacher-pay revolution that has occurred since the 1960s. As with police work (to which pedagogy bears important similarities), school pay has become relatively good, its hours of labor short, its job security first rate. Contrast this with the golden years of one-room schooling where pay was subsistence only and teachers were compelled to board around to keep body and soul together. Yet there was no shortage then of applicants and many sons of prominent Americans began their adult lives as schoolteachers.

                                                                                    With the relative opulence of today, it would be simple to fill teaching slots with accomplished men and women if that were a goal. A little adjustment in what are rationally indefensible licensing requirements would make talented people, many performance-tested adults in their fifties and sixties, available to teach. That there is not such fluid access is a good sign the purpose of schooling is more than it appears. The year-in, year-out consistency of mediocre teacher candidates demonstrates clearly that the school institution actively seeks, nurtures, hires, and promotes the caliber of personnel it needs.

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