Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth: Lies and Distortions

topic posted Thu, November 12, 2009 - 6:33 PM by  Hummingbird
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  •  This video gives the clearest shot I have ever seen of the internal collapse which initiated the main collapse. That is the collapse that engineers thought was one of the telltale signs of controlled demolition. I really appreciare this video because it shows it far more clearly than any other that I have seen.
    The internal collapse, however, is not where any scientists including the NIST scientists, started the collapse countdown. The superstructure did not begin its collapse with the internal collapse and in calculating the rate at which the building fell not even The NIST engineers were so crooked as to start the countdown with the internal collapse.
    This little film is quite a piece of bad science in that regard and any engineer would immediately challenge that element for starters. These people, whoever they are, are practicing a corrupt science, and they know it.
    As for the pyrotechnics of typical collapse, I think this collapse used exotic techniques. Just what, no one is quite sure, but the presence of anoxic fires which burned unprecedentedly for weeks deep in the rubble suggest exotic incendiaries and unusual techniques.
    This is why a new investigation is called for. There are too many unprecedented mysteries here, and the rapid disposal of forensic debris suggests a cover up so as to avoid any analysis of what happened.
    The fact that you guys are so freaked out by the prospect of a new investigation tells me something about your motives here as well. If this was some sort of freakish but innocent building collapse why are you guys so afraid of reopening the invesitgation? Any new investigation should vindicate your position and silence the doubters. Instead, you are jumping up and down and gnashing your teeth over the prospect.

    www.youtube.com/watch

    www.youtube.com/watch

    If anyone out ther in TV land wants to look at all the visual evidence then just type "WTC 7" into Youtube, but no footage on Youtube so clearly shows the commencement of internal collapse as does the video at the head of the thread, and for that I am grateful. Thanks guys!

    New investigation.
    • Solari: Your video links are "malformed".
      • Nobody reading here will be alive IF any of this comes out as truth. Fuck, I'm still waiting to hear who actually killed JFK when I was a kid....
        • >Fuck, I'm still waiting to hear who actually killed JFK when I was a kid.... <

          It was a disgruntled ex Marine.
          • Well here's a pretty good idea about who helped.

            www.youtube.com/watch
            • Whoops. Not that video. This video. Every single JFK conspiracy skeptic I know who watches this little video usually gets very quiet afterwards:

              www.youtube.com/watch
              • Your point being? We know procedures were sloppy that day. Is there a single piece of footage of an agen riding the bumper before the shots were fired?

                This also presumes procedures put in place after the JFK assassination.

                Besides this footage is most often given as support for the grassy knoll scenario. In that case why remove agents from behind if the shot is coming from the front?
                • "In that case why remove agents from behind if the shot is coming from the front? "

                  Obviously so that shooters from behind could have an unobstructed view of the presidential cranium. An op of this magnitude has at least triple redundancy built in. Either Oswald or the rumored second gunman in the Depository were just one shooting vector. The redundancies were placed on the grassy knoll and probably the sewer drain too.

                  You take the bumper riders off the limo too just in case there are snafus that cause misses which might open the window for the bumper riders to have time to cover the president.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    >The redundancies were placed on the grassy knoll and probably the sewer drain too.<

                    You mean the sewer drains that didn't exist until years after the shooting - Ya know Jim Marrs is not the most reliable of sources.
                    • O.k. Take out the sewer drains. Still plenty of shooters.
                      • I'm not particularly wedded to the storm drain shooter theory. However, I have been unable to find on the net any mention of the drain in question not being in place on the day of the assassination. Could you please link me to this evidence?

                        Here, by the way, is the Tom Wilson theory:

                        www.youtube.com/watch
                        • Thanks, Solari!
                          • A pissed off ex-Marine who supposedly used a crappy italian-built rifle that can't be loaded and fired fast enough to have put the rounds into that car according to top marksmen that tried....

                            Yeah, just another lone assasin....
                            • >A pissed off ex-Marine who supposedly used a crappy italian-built rifle that can't be loaded and fired fast enough to have put the rounds into that car according to top marksmen that tried....<

                              Whenever I hear a statement like the one above it makes me think that the person who made it knows less about firearms than my mother.

                              www.cruffler.com/historic-...ber01.html

                              "The Carcano is one of the most underrated and under-collected military rifles available today. Part of this is due to rumors about the Carcano's poor accuracy or the poor quality of the steel used, and part due to the relative lack of interest in Italian military history. These rumors are universally false. Carcanos were made from materials of extremely high quality, and can boast a history of technical innovation that is unmatched by any other design. These innovations include controlled feed (not adopted by Mauser until 1896), an action that cocks on opening (not adopted by Mauser until 1898) and the use of gain twist rifling. Indeed, the Carcano can boast the longest unaltered service life of any bolt action rifle; the Model 91 rifle soldiered from 1891 to 1943, an astounding fifty two years, and in certain parts of the world, continues to serve!"

                              findarticles.com/p/article...n19313646/

                              "With original ammunition or proper handloads, the Model 91 Mannlicher-Carcano in all of its variations is an extremely accurate weapon."

                              www.youtube.com/watch




                              • Well color me ignorant. I must know much less than your mama about weapons, but of course so did the FBI and the Army marksmen that tried to repeat Oswald's amazing feat and completely failed. Of course a US ex-marine would pick up an imported Italian rifle that he wasn't familiar with or trained to use because, well, I don't know why a marine would throw his edge away. None of the marines I know would do such a thing (though I do know a couple vets around here that like and keep a number of Russian weapons).

                                And no, I don't have a link. I just have an excellent retentive memory from information read years ago before there was such a thing as an internet. Those funny paper thingies...books I think they were called. :-)

                                Underrated and under-collected. Might be a reason for that, ya think? Along with there having been much more accurate sniper weapons easily available in those days at any gun store or military surplus auction.
              • "Every single JFK conspiracy skeptic I know who watches this little video usually gets very quiet afterwards"

                Apparently for not long enough
                • I'm not sure who youre addressing? Did you unjoin and rejoin? As I stated in the "approve" click = "DO NOT troll this tribe. I'm not saying that's your intention. Just DO NOT!!!"

                  Joe. Ron. Will. Me. Etc....

                  This tribe will not be ruined by the sos that's ruined so many other tribes. If it drops dead from inactivity I'd prefer that over a bunch of negative arguing trolling assed bullshit.

                  Thank you

                  This post brought to you by 9 beers and TRUTH!!! : )

                  If you dont like it, or me, SUCK IT BITCH!!!

                  BOINK!!!
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    Could you define trolling so I'll avoid it?

                    Seriously. I'm not trying to be cute. If you saw me, you'd know that that was logically impossible.
                    • I just dont want this tribe to turn into a big shit flinging fest that so many tribes devolve into. Regardless of some peoples opinion that that is supposedly productive & preferrable.
                      • Fair enough. I'll try to address truther lies and distortions with simple facts and avoid the temptation to digress into flame throwing even though that's often truther MO when they can't answer challenges to their beliefs.
                        • Like this?

                          tribes.tribe.net/conspirac...40305c720a

                          Just a bit curious how some of those terrorists managed to come back to life
                          • Are you referring to the long debunked myth that some of the terrorists on the plane were still alive afterwards, a myth based on the embarrassing and obvious fact that some names are common in the Arab world (just like in many other cultures)?
                            • news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1559151.stm

                              Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

                              whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...rs.html

                              At Least 7 of the 9/11
                              Hijackers are Still Alive

                              www.newyorker.com/archive/2...008fa_FACT

                              The New Yorker - What Went Wrong
                              by Seymour Hersh - 10/1/01
                              Many of the investigators believe that some of the initial clues that were uncovered about the terrorists' identities and preparations, such as flight manuals, were meant to be found. A former high-level intelligence official told me, "Whatever trail was left was left deliberately--for the F.B.I. to chase."
                              • Eight year old long debunked early reporting mistakes are the best you can do?

                                "Hijackers still alive?

                                This claim is based on a report by the BBC on September 23, 2001.[7] The BBC has since reported about the 19 hijackers,[8] and has issued corrections to this story.[9]

                                In the aftermath of the attacks, there was confusion about names on the list issued by the FBI, as well as lists obtained by the Boston Globe and other media outlets.
                                Waleed al-Shehri

                                There was confusion regarding one name on the list -- Waleed Alshehri. In a case of mistaken identity, a different Waleed Alshehri (other than the real hijacker) was initially identified. This Waleed Alshehri came to Daytona Beach, Florida in 1996, took aviation lessons at Embry-Riddle Aeronautics University,[3] and was employed as a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines. He was living in Morocco at the time of the 9/11 attacks.
                                Abdul al-Omari

                                There was also confusion regarding Abdul al-Omari. Someone with a similar name in south Florida, Abdulrahman S. Alomari, took flight lessons at Flight Safety International. He was identified early and confused with the hijacker.[10] Abdulaziz Alomari, a 28-year old in Riyadh, said his passport was stolen while he lived in Denver in 1995, and thought his identity was stolen by one of the hijackers.
                                Saeed al-Ghamdi

                                Said Hussein al-Ghamdi, a Saudi pilot living in Tunis, was also mistaken, with CNN broadcasting his picture instead of that of Flight 93 hijacker, Saeed al-Ghamdi.
                                Marwan al-Shehhi

                                The list obtained by the Boston Globe on September 12 included the name Marwan Alshehri. (name really is Marwan al-Shehhi)[11]
                                Khalid al-Mihdhar

                                In the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, some news reports showed a picture of Khalid Al-Mihammadi, a computer programmer from Mecca, in place of Khalid al-Mihdhar's picture. Mihammadi had been in the United States to study English in Florida, and in Indiana.[12] One story, published by the BBC on September 23, indicated that Mihdhar was possibly still alive.[13] In 2006, in response to 9/11 conspiracy theories surrounding its original news story, the BBC claimed that confusion arose with the common Arabic names, and that its later reports on the hijackers superseded its original story.[14]
                                Why the confusion?

                                * One source of confusion is the fact that hijackers often varied the spelling of their names when renting rooms, banking, and other activities. For example, Hani Hanjour, whose full name is "Hani Saleh Hanjour", also used "Hani Hanjoor", "Hani Saleh", "Hany Saleh", and "Hami Hanjoor".[15]
                                * Also, some of the names, particularly "al-Ghamdi" and "al-Shehri" are extremely common names in Saudi Arabia, as Smith is common in the United States.[16]

                                Arab News explained how names and photographs of Saudi pilots trained in the U.S. were published and mistaken for the hijackers.
                                “ In the rush to reveal information, these were published without due authentication. According to a US source, the FBI committed some errors in its inquiries at the beginning of the investigation. First, it asked about pilots or trainees at airlines whose names resembled those of the hijackers. This was on the presumption that the hijackers should be pilots or experts in aviation. This led to the confusion about the names of pilots Saeed Al-Ghamdi who turned up in Tunis, Abdul Rahman Al-Amri who was in Jeddah and Waleed A. Al-Shehri, who showed up in Rabat. These three men have been cleared of any association with the alleged hijackers.[17] ”

                                www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Hijackers

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