9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'
JuLy 4, 2008, BBC News
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7485331.stm
The final mystery of 9/11 will soon be solved, according to US experts investigating the collapse of the third tower at the World Trade Center.
The 47-storey third tower, known as Tower Seven, collapsed seven hours after the twin towers.
Investigators are expected to say ordinary fires on several different floors caused the collapse.
Conspiracy theorists have argued that the third tower was brought down in a controlled demolition.
Unlike the twin towers, Tower Seven was not hit by a plane.
The National Institute of Standards and Technology, based near Washington DC, is expected to conclude in its long-awaited report this month that ordinary fires caused the building to collapse.
-->That would make it the first and only steel skyscraper in the world to collapse because of fire.<--
See World Trade Center 7's location and structure:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ameri...stm#graphic
The National Institute of Standards and Technology's lead investigator, Dr Shyam Sunder, spoke to BBC Two's "The Conspiracy Files":
"Our working hypothesis now actually suggests that it was normal building fires that were growing and spreading throughout the multiple floors that may have caused the ultimate collapse of the buildings."
'Smoking gun'
However, a group of architects, engineers and scientists say the official explanation that fires caused the collapse is impossible. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth argue there must have been a controlled demolition.
The founder of the group, Richard Gage, says the collapse of the third tower is an obvious example of a controlled demolition using explosives.
"Building Seven is the smoking gun of 9/11¿ A sixth grader can look at this building falling at virtually freefall speed, symmetrically and smoothly, and see that it is not a natural process.
"Buildings that fall in natural processes fall to the path of least resistance", says Gage, "they don't go straight down through themselves."
Conspiracy theories
There are a number of facts that have encouraged conspiracy theories about Tower Seven.
* Although its collapse potentially made architectural history, all of the thousands of tonnes of steel from the skyscraper were taken away to be melted down.
* The third tower was occupied by the Secret Service, the CIA, the Department of Defence and the Office of Emergency Management, which would co-ordinate any response to a disaster or a terrorist attack.
* The destruction of the third tower was never mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report. The first official inquiry into Tower Seven by the Federal Emergency Management Agency was unable to be definitive about what caused its collapse.
* In May 2002 FEMA concluded that the building collapsed because intense fires had burned for hours, fed by thousands of gallons of diesel stored in the building. But it said this had "only a low probability of occurrence" and more work was needed.
But now nearly seven years after 9/11 the definitive official explanation of what happened to Tower Seven is finally about to be published in America.
The National Institute of Standards and Technology has spent more than two years investigating Tower Seven but lead investigator Dr Shyam Sunder rejects criticism that it has been slow.
The collapse of Tower 7
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/progr...7481413.stm
"We've been at this for a little over two years and doing a two or two and a half year investigation is not at all unusual. That's the same kind of time frame that takes place when we do aeroplane crash investigations, it takes a few years."
With no steel from Tower 7 to study, investigators have instead made four extremely complex computer models worked out to the finest detail. They're confident their approach can now provide the answers. Dr Sunder says the investigation is moving as fast as possible.
"It's a very complex problem. It requires a level of fidelity in the modelling and rigour in the analysis that has never been done before."
Other skyscrapers haven't fully collapsed before because of fire. But NIST argues that what happened on 9/11 was unique.
Steel structure weakened
It says Tower Seven had an unusual design, built over an electricity substation and a subway; there were many fires that burnt for hours; and crucially, fire fighters could not fight the fires in Tower 7, because they didn't have enough water and focused on saving lives.
Investigators have focused on the east side where the long floor spans were under most stress.
They think fires burnt long enough to weaken and break many of the connections that held the steel structure together.
Most susceptible were the thinner floor beams which required less fireproofing, and the connections between the beams and the columns. As they heated up the connections failed and the beams sagged and failed, investigators say.
The collapse of the first of the Twin Towers does not seem to have caused any serious damage to Tower Seven, but the second collapse of the 1,368ft (417m) North Tower threw debris at Tower Seven, just 350ft (106m) away.
Tower Seven came down at 5.21pm. Until now most of the photographs have been of the three sides of the building that did not show much obvious physical damage. Now new photos of the south side of the building, which crucially faced the North Tower, show that whole side damaged and engulfed in smoke.
Location of the World Trade Center 7 building, New York
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FIND OUT MORE...
The Conspiracy Files: 9/11 - The Third Tower is on BBC Two on Sunday 6 July at 2100 BST
or Visit The Conspiracy Files website
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/progr...default.stm
or catch up using the iPlayer
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ck4jd
Q&A: The collapse of Tower 7
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/progr...7434230.stm
Timeline: WTC 7
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/progr...7437516.stm
The BBC and the 'missing' tape
www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theed...ies_iii.html
SEE ALSO:
9/11 - The Third Tower
19 Jun 08 | Conspiracy Files
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/progr...7433017.stm
The evolution of a conspiracy theory
04 Jul 08 | Magazine
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_ne...7488159.stm
BBC denies 9/11 conspiracy
02 Jul 08 | Conspiracy Files
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/progr...7483700.stm
RELATED INTERNET LINKS:
National Institute of Standards and Technology
www.nist.gov/
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
www.ae911truth.org/
Federal Emergency Management Agency
www.fema.gov/
9/11 Commission
www.9-11commission.gov/
The BBC is not responsible for the content of external internet sites
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Note: For a two-page summary of some unanswered questions about what really happened on 9/11, and more links, click here: www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up
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JuLy 4, 2008, BBC News
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7485331.stm
The final mystery of 9/11 will soon be solved, according to US experts investigating the collapse of the third tower at the World Trade Center.
The 47-storey third tower, known as Tower Seven, collapsed seven hours after the twin towers.
Investigators are expected to say ordinary fires on several different floors caused the collapse.
Conspiracy theorists have argued that the third tower was brought down in a controlled demolition.
Unlike the twin towers, Tower Seven was not hit by a plane.
The National Institute of Standards and Technology, based near Washington DC, is expected to conclude in its long-awaited report this month that ordinary fires caused the building to collapse.
-->That would make it the first and only steel skyscraper in the world to collapse because of fire.<--
See World Trade Center 7's location and structure:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ameri...stm#graphic
The National Institute of Standards and Technology's lead investigator, Dr Shyam Sunder, spoke to BBC Two's "The Conspiracy Files":
"Our working hypothesis now actually suggests that it was normal building fires that were growing and spreading throughout the multiple floors that may have caused the ultimate collapse of the buildings."
'Smoking gun'
However, a group of architects, engineers and scientists say the official explanation that fires caused the collapse is impossible. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth argue there must have been a controlled demolition.
The founder of the group, Richard Gage, says the collapse of the third tower is an obvious example of a controlled demolition using explosives.
"Building Seven is the smoking gun of 9/11¿ A sixth grader can look at this building falling at virtually freefall speed, symmetrically and smoothly, and see that it is not a natural process.
"Buildings that fall in natural processes fall to the path of least resistance", says Gage, "they don't go straight down through themselves."
Conspiracy theories
There are a number of facts that have encouraged conspiracy theories about Tower Seven.
* Although its collapse potentially made architectural history, all of the thousands of tonnes of steel from the skyscraper were taken away to be melted down.
* The third tower was occupied by the Secret Service, the CIA, the Department of Defence and the Office of Emergency Management, which would co-ordinate any response to a disaster or a terrorist attack.
* The destruction of the third tower was never mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report. The first official inquiry into Tower Seven by the Federal Emergency Management Agency was unable to be definitive about what caused its collapse.
* In May 2002 FEMA concluded that the building collapsed because intense fires had burned for hours, fed by thousands of gallons of diesel stored in the building. But it said this had "only a low probability of occurrence" and more work was needed.
But now nearly seven years after 9/11 the definitive official explanation of what happened to Tower Seven is finally about to be published in America.
The National Institute of Standards and Technology has spent more than two years investigating Tower Seven but lead investigator Dr Shyam Sunder rejects criticism that it has been slow.
The collapse of Tower 7
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/progr...7481413.stm
"We've been at this for a little over two years and doing a two or two and a half year investigation is not at all unusual. That's the same kind of time frame that takes place when we do aeroplane crash investigations, it takes a few years."
With no steel from Tower 7 to study, investigators have instead made four extremely complex computer models worked out to the finest detail. They're confident their approach can now provide the answers. Dr Sunder says the investigation is moving as fast as possible.
"It's a very complex problem. It requires a level of fidelity in the modelling and rigour in the analysis that has never been done before."
Other skyscrapers haven't fully collapsed before because of fire. But NIST argues that what happened on 9/11 was unique.
Steel structure weakened
It says Tower Seven had an unusual design, built over an electricity substation and a subway; there were many fires that burnt for hours; and crucially, fire fighters could not fight the fires in Tower 7, because they didn't have enough water and focused on saving lives.
Investigators have focused on the east side where the long floor spans were under most stress.
They think fires burnt long enough to weaken and break many of the connections that held the steel structure together.
Most susceptible were the thinner floor beams which required less fireproofing, and the connections between the beams and the columns. As they heated up the connections failed and the beams sagged and failed, investigators say.
The collapse of the first of the Twin Towers does not seem to have caused any serious damage to Tower Seven, but the second collapse of the 1,368ft (417m) North Tower threw debris at Tower Seven, just 350ft (106m) away.
Tower Seven came down at 5.21pm. Until now most of the photographs have been of the three sides of the building that did not show much obvious physical damage. Now new photos of the south side of the building, which crucially faced the North Tower, show that whole side damaged and engulfed in smoke.
Location of the World Trade Center 7 building, New York
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FIND OUT MORE...
The Conspiracy Files: 9/11 - The Third Tower is on BBC Two on Sunday 6 July at 2100 BST
or Visit The Conspiracy Files website
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/progr...default.stm
or catch up using the iPlayer
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ck4jd
Q&A: The collapse of Tower 7
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/progr...7434230.stm
Timeline: WTC 7
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/progr...7437516.stm
The BBC and the 'missing' tape
www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theed...ies_iii.html
SEE ALSO:
9/11 - The Third Tower
19 Jun 08 | Conspiracy Files
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/progr...7433017.stm
The evolution of a conspiracy theory
04 Jul 08 | Magazine
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_ne...7488159.stm
BBC denies 9/11 conspiracy
02 Jul 08 | Conspiracy Files
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/progr...7483700.stm
RELATED INTERNET LINKS:
National Institute of Standards and Technology
www.nist.gov/
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
www.ae911truth.org/
Federal Emergency Management Agency
www.fema.gov/
9/11 Commission
www.9-11commission.gov/
The BBC is not responsible for the content of external internet sites
~~~
Note: For a two-page summary of some unanswered questions about what really happened on 9/11, and more links, click here: www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up
~~~
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Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'
Sun, July 13, 2008 - 10:01 AMwow
quite a long post to validate something so simple
paper fires do not "MELT" steel
steel girders do not melt and disappear
watch. what do YOU see?
its only been 7 years...
bbc news? what they now publish comic books?
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Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'
Tue, July 15, 2008 - 6:38 PMWell OK, you say that 'paper fires do not "MELT" steel," this implying that melting steel is required in order to destroy a structure with steel construction.
If that's the case, then how pray tell were battleships and dreadnaughts ever sunk? Don't tell me torpedo explosions cause a heat increase enough to melt steel (let alone armored bulkehads), cuz they didn't.
And armored warships are a good deal sturdier than a skyscraper. Explain this mystery to me. Personally, I think it's because every armored warship ever sunk in history was sunk by controlled demolition. -
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Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'
Tue, July 15, 2008 - 10:27 PMplease...
i have seen this bait and switch argument bullshit before
if you accept the idiotic 'official' explanation of 9-11, that is your choice
why not expand your limited horizons and give us your best on flight 93 -
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Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'
Wed, July 16, 2008 - 9:36 AM"Don't tell me torpedo explosions cause a heat increase enough to melt steel (let alone armored bulkehads), cuz they didn't. "
the boat bomb off the Yemenese coast was enough to melt the steel structure of the USS Cole, I'm sure a torpedo could at least come close... though I do agree conspiracy theorists don't give enough credence to the jet fuel theory as people in the building (not govt spooks) knew that burning fuel dumped down into the interior of the structure and was igniting and exploding and the heat created by this definitely was hot enough to weaken structural steel and as anyone in construction knows (I'm in construction btw) your structure is only as strong as the weakest part and once a small section stresses the whole enchilada weakens like a house of cards. (see the shopping mall disaster in TX where they used supporting bolts that were a fraction of an inch too small, or the Mpls bridge on 35W, etc)
though the "why" behind 9/11 hasn't been sufficiently explained, it seems a little convenient, but whatever it's all speculation anyway...
"i have seen this bait and switch argument bullshit before
if you accept the idiotic 'official' explanation of 9-11, that is your choice
why not expand your limited horizons and give us your best on flight 93 "
play nice roger, it's not a bs bait and switch argument to imply that the laws of physics have to remain consistent everywhere. No one has to accept an "official" explanation of 9/11 in accepting the scientific explanation of the towers collapse, and something is definitely rotten in Denmark where the third tower is concerned, it seems to get glossed over quite regularly.
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Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'
Wed, July 16, 2008 - 9:36 AMReally? Cuz I've never ever seen the 9/11 demolition argument ever go into naval armor penetration at all. Perhaps you have a link to where anyone else has made this argument before? I mean if you've seen it before.
I do note you haven't actually addressed it while it seems to me like a valid point.
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Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'
Fri, July 18, 2008 - 8:06 AMNIST - that paragon of veracity.
See Youtube video below:
www.youtube.com/watch
NIST has been hamstrung in all of its 911 investigations from the the very beginning. One day, this very nasty op is going to be publically and historically busted and among the rogues gallery of traitors will be quite a few of the marionettes at NIST.
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Re: 9/11 third tower mystery 'solved'
Fri, July 18, 2008 - 4:19 PMpp: *play nice roger,*
yeah, death said that too
from the essene gospel of peace
when one arrives...words will never, can never, explain
but these 'children' neither can i
and jesus? she too, is but one...
truth neither plays nor works
IT fights...
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