New YouTube Contact Improv Videos Group

topic posted Thu, February 22, 2007 - 1:53 PM by  edwin
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Greetings..

There's a variety of contact improv video clips on YouTube. I've created a YouTube group for Contact Improv and brought many of the videos together in once place. see
youtube.com/group/ContactImprov

You can upload your CI videos and add them to the group.
I have various CI videos I'll upload shortly.

What do you think of video taping some of the WCCIF and placing the videos in the group? It could be a bit of an intro to people interested in the form.

I'd be willing to do some taping if whoever's organizing WCCIF is interested.
some things to possibly video tape?
the performances
some short interviews of teachers.
some short interviews of dancers experiences with CI.
any ideas?

some of my other youtube projects are:
humanityquest.com/themes/in...tion/TAOLB

edwin
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edwin
SF Bay Area
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  • I just placed some more videos on the contact improv youtube site. They're  videos of "Scenes from the 2006 Body Research Gathering". They're some experiments with taking the camera on the dance floor and also doing some interviews while dancing. see

    youtube.com/group/ContactImprov

    there's about 46 videos in the CI youtube group so far.

    I was talking with someone last night at the the Core Connexion dance
     in Berkeley
    youtube.com/group/coreconnexion
    and he said "It's hard to explain contact improv to people, it's great to be able to just point them to the youtube site and for them to be able to see it." I've found the same thing to be true.

    Also, there's a video discussion area there, one of the questions is:

    What kind of contact improv videos would you like to see?

    I would like to hear some suggestions of what to video tape regarding CI.
    I'd personally like to hear peoples experience with CI.
     What do people like about it?
    What are your experiences on the dance floor?.
    etc..
    edwin
    • I agree with you, Edwin, that it is useful to have some video material about contact online.

      The only thing makes me a little resentful is that I don't remember if you asked permission to post it online. I remember you were videotaping some of the lab material and I think you did ask permission to do so. But no one asked me how I would feel if you post it online. I would appreciate it personally and I believe many people would feel similarly.

      Also, if I was asked, my personal opinion is that there was nothing really worth posting. I don't know what your research was, and it is not clear to me from the material shot why it is worth seeing for others. If you don't mind articulating this I might be able to change my opinion. Did anyone else give you feedback about it?

      Sincerely,
      Vitali
      • hi Vitali

        I asked about video taping at the event and no-one objected. People actually seemed to like the idea.

        Before posting on youtube I asked Karl if he thought it was ok with him.. he said it would be interesting to post it..

        I've shown the video post to people who know nothing about CI and they have found it very interesting.. It's hard to explain CI in words.. A video is much better..

        The great thing with Youtube is you can post all your experiments.. and each video shows some new aspect. It may not be a masterpiece, but it reveals something.. if only a direction that doesn't work..

        I recall you were interested in trying out the camera.. somehow I never got it to you.. If you have some ideas of aspects of CI to video tape,, I'd be glad to work with you on it.


        best
        edwin
        • hi Edwin,

          Thanks for responding. I know you asked ABOUT VIDEO TAPING and you got the permission ... but it doesn't equals receiving a permisson to PUBLISH it. And Karl is not responsible for the whole group in my opinion. I think there is a difference between a permission to be recorded on a video and a permission to broadcast that material, don't you think?
          • hi Vitali

            I feel I did try to get permissions to video tape.
            - Before the event, I asked Karl who was organized the event if it was ok to tape
            - At the event, I asked if everyone was ok with me taping. There were no objections and the sense I got was that everyone thought it was kind of interesting.
            - Before placing on Youtube, I ask Karl if he thought placing the videos on YouTube was ok

            I can see how that could be a gray area. While I asked if I could tape, there wasn't an explicit request for permission to place it on Youtube, but you can sort of assume that if you're being taped, that it will be shown somewhere. Especially now with the ease of placing video on the internet. At the time of taping, I didn't know what I was going to do with it.

            If I was planning to broadcast on TV, I would have gotten signed releases. Without signed releases, if someone really objected, I'd edit them out or probably just remove the specific video clip from YouTube.

            best
            edwin
            • Hey Edwin,

              You see, for me this is a good example of how messy and confusing for the people outside of the community it can be with copyrights in general, and specifically with contact improv as an activity on the edge of being a social thing and being an art form. Many of the dancers on the video are artists and some of them also make leaving of it. You wouldn't be posting their rehearsals on-line unless they would tell you that they are OK with it, would you? For me it is the same here: I personally am trying to be mindful HOW I appear on media and WHAT message does my appearance bring. And if that message does not support my artist statement this might be a very frustrating thing for me. Think about it. ... Imagine a ... writer who was trying to deliver a complex message with his novel ... suddenly discovering that it is largely misunderstood by the addressee ....

              Anyway, my opinion is that :

              a) we should be careful with "assuming" ... and
              b) the material on the clips that you have posted does not consist a clear message and (again) in my opinion (which again noone asked for) - is not worth posting on-line. what's posted is a pretty raw material that at least needs to be edited.

              I won't ask you to remove myself from the video - i don't see anything shameful on it for myself. But in the future I would like more awareness on this subject and I would definitely appreciate being asked before.

              Thanks
            • Also, if it was me, I would not assume that a permission to TAKE a video EQUALS a permission to POST it.

              I hope you understand the difference.

              When you were videotaping what was clear to me that you wanted to use that video for YOUR OWN research, which for me not nessesarely includes broadcasting it all over the world.

              I hope you agree with it.
              • ok Vitali, thanks for all the comments. I certainly understand your concerns. I'll definitely try to be more clear up front about how the video will be used. As mentioned, I usually get signed releases before taping.

                I'm still interested in video taping any of the WCCIF events for the CI Youtube site. If you or any of the other organizers have some ideas of stuff you'd like to tape and post, let me know.

                I thought of asking people during the lunch break to talk about their experiences with CI. It would give me something to do for that time period. I think it would be good for people thinking of getting involved with CI. I've directed a lot of people to the CI youtube site to explain what CI is like.

                Also, I'd be willing to tape any of the performances that wanted to be taped and posted.

                Another CI dancer videographer emailed me a while back and said he'd be glad to help out as well.

                edwin

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