Help needed with Infused Oils.

topic posted Thu, April 24, 2008 - 12:40 PM by  offlineSarah
I Recently bought My mother a Gardina and would like to capture the flower fragrence for an anoiting oil. but Every time I try and simmer the flowers and the oils together the smell of the oil overpowers the smell of the gardina. Any suggestions? (p.s. I'm going to cross post this)
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Sarah
  • Re: Help needed with Infused Oils.

    Fri, April 25, 2008 - 6:08 AM
    I have made Gardenia oil without the boiling process. I stuff as many of the flowers as I can into a bottle and pour the oil over it and let it infuse itself over time. After the scent level is achieved, I strain all of the flower particles out of the oil and Voila!
    • Re: Help needed with Infused Oils.

      Fri, April 25, 2008 - 6:28 AM
      Thats a great Idea MoJo! What kind of oil do you use?
      • Re: Help needed with Infused Oils.

        Sat, April 26, 2008 - 12:17 PM
        A good carrier oil like aloe or sweet almond oil works well and offers additional botanical benefits, as well. You can order carrier oils online at www.aromatherapywebsite.com for fairly reasonable prices.
        • Re: Help needed with Infused Oils.

          Mon, May 19, 2008 - 6:24 PM
          Hi,
          I am very curious if you can get the scent of gardenias in an infused oil.
          It would be wonderful if you can. I use organic olive oil for my carrier oil.
          Even though this will have its own smell, if the gardenia essential is extractible, you will be able to smell it.
          Olive oil has vitamin E in it and so it last for a long time.
          Almond oil is probably rancid when you buy it.
          You can also try infusing it in honey. Honey extracts essential oils very well.
          Just make sure you find out whether it is edible or not before consuming it.
          Be well, Julie
          • Re: Help needed with Infused Oils.

            Tue, May 20, 2008 - 5:46 AM
            I don't think Gardenia would be pallatabe to begin with.
            • Re: Help needed with Infused Oils.

              Tue, May 20, 2008 - 1:34 PM
              Yes, Gardenia may not even be edible, may even be poisonous...I am not sure.
              I just wanted everyone to know that I am not advocating eating it although I suggested infusing it in honey.
              I have wild rose infused honey (which is quite edible and delectibel) and it still has quite a fragrance after almost a year.
              Peace, Julie
              • Re: Help needed with Infused Oils.

                Tue, May 20, 2008 - 5:04 PM
                I am sure she was referring to an infused scent oil, like perfume. I can't magine wearing honey on my body...especially during bug season. A good carrier oil for scent infusions is not edible.
                • Re: Help needed with Infused Oils.

                  Fri, May 23, 2008 - 6:20 AM
                  Actually honey is quite an wonderful healing substance for our skin.
                  I don't add honey straight, I mix it into salves and lotions that I make and ad just a bit.
                  I am sensing that misunderstandings could be happening with our descriptions of things here.
                  So.....I few definitions..........and some of the things I have learned and also my opinions. :<)
                  Infused oil: Created with fresh (or dried) plants and oil. I use olive oil, have discovered that most almond oil is rancid.
                  This is my preferred oil....so easy to make and so beautiful and healing. Wild rose herbal infused oil is very subtly fragrant, softening to skin and quite healing. I don't usually consume the infused oil I make, but you could eat, lavender, wild rose, dandelion flower.
                  Essential oil: The volatile oil of the plant, not really an oil, it dissipates in the air quite easily, is very, very strong and has
                  properties of being anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, anti-microbial. Is often used as a fragrance (I use very small amounts in some of my products)
                  Is over used in my opinion and can be quite harmful, will kill gut flora. If organic essential oil is not used that most likely the plants used
                  to distill the essential oil are grown with chemicals. I also believe that over use of essential oils is not sustainable because so much plant is used for so little amount of volatile oil.
                  Peace,Julie
  • Re: Help needed with Infused Oils.

    Mon, May 26, 2008 - 10:17 AM
    Hiya'!

    Sarah, olive oil, among others, is the ONE commonly thought of oil that I tell my students to AVOID when making infusions; the scent and flavor is simply TOO STRONG!!! That's why it's best used for cooking... And, you will need A LOT of flowers or herbs and citrus peeling for a strongly scented infusion; however, you can steep the flowers in 95-proof vodka for a tincture; just keep repeating the process with the tincture to strengthen the scent.

    Also, you don't want to directly simmer the oil and fresh flowers, herbs or fruit peelings directly over an open flame in a saucepan! Here is something on the subject that I posted to another Group this evening:

    "Ah...with the warm weather from Beltane onward I simply adoire making fresh herbal oil-infusions! I can't wait until my Provence Lavender grows to maturity so that I can make an infusion of the leaves; it's my favorite variety, and my favorite part of lavender...it smells like my favorite cologne, Eternity for Men! My lily-of-the-valley has started to come up; and my Star-Gazer Lillies will be up sometime next month, so I'll have a busy summer this year!

    "Now, when brewing infused-oils I generally employ both a hot-method, as well as the so-called "cold-method".

    "But, first thing's first: steralize all of the jars and bottles that will come in contact with the infusions (and make sure the final bottle you strain the oil into has a tight-fitting glass stopper).

    "Then, gather enough of the herb you plan to infuse so that you will have a heavily-scented product. In this case I used the peeling of a single (large) naval orange, and somewhat finely chopped the peeling to allow for more surface-contact when mixed with the oil.

    "The oil should be an unscented carrier-oil (otherwise known as a "base-oil".) When making herbal-infusion I generally employ safflower oil, which has absolutely no detectible scent, and it so pale and clear, it's almost an off-white hue. Serrt Almond oil is a traditional carrier oil, that will condition the skin; but it contains vit. E oil, so it will aid in preservation due to the antioxidant. However, trained aromatherapists (which, in the UK and elsewhere, as I understand it, one may obtain a license to practice this field) prefer grapeseed oil for their concoctions, which ahs a much higher content of naturally occuring vit. E (if I remember correctly).

    "Now, depending upon the size of the bottle you want to hold your finished infusion, and the amount of herb you plan to infuse, measure the quantity of carrier oil you will require. (I used somewhere between 4 and 6 ounces.) However, for a strong infusion, the infusion process must be repeated with fresh or dried herbs being added to the strained infused oil (when using dried herbs, employ only those herbs that are strongly scented when dried, such as lavender leaves, or mint, for example; I have never known an infusion "to take" that was made by using dried herbs that were not strongly scented after the drying process).

    "Place a portion of the herb in a sterile canning jar (I just added the whole chopped peeling), and pour the oil ontop of it. If using the hot-method, you may create a double-boiler (if you don't own one)--hence the canning jar!-- by placing it in a water-bath in a sauce pan. Place it over an open flame and bring it to the simmering point; allow the oil to infuse for several hours (three usually works for me) by simmering the water around the jar.

    "Afterwards, I usually remove the pan from the heat, and allow the jar to sit until the water is temped; I then remove it, wiping the water from the jar with a towel, and placing the lid onto the jar until the next morning.

    "Because I prefer a strongly infused oil I tend to employ a hot-method, and a cold-method, the next day (usually when it's nice, warm, and sunny) I set my jars outside in the southern area of my yard where the warmth is greatest, until the sun sets. Then I usually bring my jars of oils back in the the night, and repeat this process for a week or two; shaking each jar of oil twice a day.

    "Strain into a seperate, sterile, jar (see below); or strain the oil into your final bottle or jar. press the herbal-matter firmly with a spoon or ome other impliment to ensure that any oil and herbal-essence is squeezed from the bulk-material. Usually, you will find that, if using the cold process, some of the oil will be absorbed by the herbal material; and if you allow the strained herbal material to "rest", some more infused oil is likely to see back into the container for you to pour off into the bottle.

    "Repeat the above process, with the infused oil, if necessary. Then add several drops of benzoin EO as a preservative and a fixative (it helps prevent the scent from fading with time). For this reason I usually add benzoin oil or tincture of bezoin resin. When looking for benzoil oil, however, it will be unscented; although, by contrast, styrax EO (which is commonly confused for bezoin due to the common and botanical names) smells rich and vanilla-like. It is for this reason that I mention styrax at all in this posting.

    "Store the infusion in a tightly stoppered bottle, and use it as you see fit!

    "Mmmm...my Orange Oil infusion smells delicious and nummy (it shouldn't smell citric!). I think I will add some cinnemon powder or sticks to whatever remains this September, as well as some frankincense resin for a delicious Mabon Oil. ;o)

    "Enjoy the summer, and I hope you all make plenty of herbal infusions! This is a process that everyone in my Potion-Crafting class learns, first-hand, during the summer months of my nine-month long course. Just don't waste the fruit, if you make a peeling-based infusion; bake with it some how!

    "Also, when making fresh herbal-infusions, be sure to scrub any fruit you use with cold water and a small amount of soap, then allow it to dry (this is especially important if you plan on using an infusion in food!); while you only need to quickly wash any dirt off of any fresh herbal matter before you infuse it. Now, depending upon the nbatural color of the carier oil that you make, your finished infusion may be of a quite different color! Because safflower oil is so clear and absolutely non-colored (when compared to common cooking oils, such as corn oil), when infused with herbs, such as orange peel, for example, it took on a deep, cloudy, golden orange-yellow hue. How beautiful! (I've never made an orange oil infusion before, because I always had orange EO on hand at the time; so, I thought of using orange as a bae in a Sumemr Solstice ritual oil this year, but didn't feel like buying any.)

    "Do not use heavily scented/flavored oils to yield infusions, such as olive oil. I know this may seem like "common sense", but I've seen folks whom did not know any better, make this mistake when making their first infusions only to encounter unsavory results!

    "However, one of THE most interesting herbs to infuse is St. John's Wort, which will color your base-oil a crimson red color, due to a certain phyto-chemical that the carrier-oil leaches from the fresh flowers through performations in the petals. According to Germanic folk-lore these perforations were marks placed there by the Devil"

    Best of luck, Sarah! Oh, and you don't want to actually "simmer" the oil, because at that point you're actually cooking the oil and the herb, will make it smell like cooked oil, which just doesn't smell good, IMHO.
    • Re: Help needed with Infused Oils.

      Mon, May 26, 2008 - 1:17 PM
      Well......I hear you about the scent of olive oil but absolutely do not agree with the instructions that olive should not be used for an oil infusion.
      Olive oil is a traditionaly healing oil from the Mediterranean. It is protected by Vitamin E and therefore will not go rancid for quite few years, unless it is heated. Infused oil do not need to be heated.....the oil cooks the plants and releases the healing components.
      Any seed oil.....safflower oil, sunflower oil, canola oil, almond oil etc. are quite volatile and will become rancil very quickly, and are most likely rancid when you buy them.
      I have been making and selling herbal creations for over ten years, and now use organic olive oil in my preparations.
      Sometimes people do smell the olives, when they smell the preparations, but mostly the fragrance is the subtlties of the plants.
      I have access to a company in California where I can get fresh pressed olive oil in large quantities and so my products are the freshest
      and of most amazing quality.
      I liked hearing about using the lavender leaves in the lavender oil. I have begun crafting my lavender oil with the whole plant in bloom including the leaves. I also am intrigued with the idea of double infusing the tincture to get a stronger fragrance. I have just been thinking about dong something like this, so am glad to hear of someone doing this.
      Oh and the St. John's Wort Hypericum perferatum.......the holes are not in the flowers but in the leaves.....and what I have learned about plants and the old lore is that...when a plant is written about as protecting from the devil or protecting from witches......then this plant was a plant of power for witches.
      The fragrant "St. Joan's Wort" oil is one of the most potent healing smells I have ever experienced.
      Happy crafting,
      Julie
      • Re: Help needed with Infused Oils.

        Mon, May 26, 2008 - 3:36 PM
        Hi, Julie! Please allow me to clarify my intention as to why I firmly believe that olive oil is one that really isn't very useful for making herbal infusions (save for cooking, when flavoring herbs and ingredients are added to it!), despite what Greeks may be using it for as a healing ungient: it is a highly odorious carrier or base-oil and will greatly over-power the scent of any herb, flower, or peeling that one hopes to extract by using olive oil as a solvent or a medium. Moreover, it is well known to go rancid fairly quickly, and carries with it the risk of spreaking/acquiring botulism.

        And, yes, if one wants to make an herbal infusion, it really needs to be heated through some form, to expidite the process, because heat releases the fragrent essentials oils from the product and are captured by the base-oil.

        >>>Any seed oil.....safflower oil, sunflower oil, canola oil, almond oil etc. are quite volatile and will become rancil very quickly, and are most likely rancid when you buy them.<<<

        I must personally disagree with this, because there's simply no substantive data that I have found in support of such an allegation, I am afraid. Despite their shelf-life, once they are purchased, this is why adding a preservative AND a fixative is so essential to an infusion (or any oil blend, even when using EOs)--I use benzoin for both.

        >>>I liked hearing about using the lavender leaves in the lavender oil. I have begun crafting my lavender oil with the whole plant in bloom including the leaves. I also am intrigued with the idea of double infusing the tincture to get a stronger fragrance. I have just been thinking about dong something like this, so am glad to hear of someone doing this.<<<

        Lavender leaves smell the best, to me--like my favorite cologn, Eternity for Men! Personally, I was always taught, when fashioning herbal oil-infusions, to repeat the process multiple times to achieve stronger results for a finished product. It's also good to keep accurate records in order to replicate he scent in the future. For example X amount of leaves divided into certain amounts (by part), each in turn steeped into a set amount of carrier oil over and over again.

        >>>Oh and the St. John's Wort Hypericum perferatum.......the holes are not in the flowers but in the leaves.....<<<

        Actually, it's on *both* the leaves *and* the petals. ;o) Irregardless, it will still "dye" a carrier oil a lovely bright red color--fabulous for Midsummer/Litha!

        >>>.....and what I have learned about plants and the old lore is that...when a plant is written about as protecting from the devil or protecting from witches......then this plant was a plant of power for witches.<<<

        Yes, this has been my experience, too. A wonderful book you might enjoy (written by three German scholars and cultural anthropologists) is: "Witchcraft Medicine".

        >>>The fragrant "St. Joan's Wort" oil is one of the most potent healing smells I have ever experienced.<<<

        Be careful when using SJW oil, it can make one photo-sensitive very easily!

        Take Care,
        Wade MacMorrighan
      • Re: Help needed with Infused Oils.

        Mon, May 26, 2008 - 3:57 PM
        Oh, I almost forgot: the possibility that common vegetable oils such as safflower, etc. being rancid when one buys them is extremely unlikely. It just wouldn't make for good business sense! ;o) In fact, one can easily tell when an oil has become rancid if it generally meets some of the following criterion: the oil has become cloudy, or has become somewhat discolored; it has an unpleasant aroma; or if it has an acrid taste. As I've said, I commonly employ safflower oil (a relative of the sunflower) in my herbal infused oils, which has positively, absolutely, *no* detectible scent by any stretch of the imagination (after it's been opened, because I always check for rancidity, just in case). In fact, it's not supposed to have any sort of a scent, because it's frequently used in salads; especially in salad dressings. Now, he thought that any reputible manufacturer might be selling an already-rancid product when it hits then shelves simply would be a stupid thing for them to do. I also know well enough that most industrialized manufacturers these days have strict quality control standards, and even hire professionals, such as chefs or otherwise trained individuals to ensure the high quality of their products (which would obviously include rancidity).

        Just an FYI about a topic I almost forgot to include.

        Take Care,
        Wade
        • Re: Help needed with Infused Oils.

          Mon, May 26, 2008 - 4:39 PM
          Well.....my dear MacMorrighan.....we clearly disagree.
          And although you do not like olive oil for an oil base for infused oils, what you are saying about it is not my experience and I do have a great deal of experience using it in my healing products, have found it incredible for "cold" extracting the healing components in herbs including essential oil and found it to last a good long time. Olives are fruit and thus the oil is a fruit oil. This oil does not go rancid very quickly unless it is refrigerated. It last quite a long time at room temperature if kept in a dark place.
          The introduction of seed oils into our diets has caused incredibly damage to our health. It is probably the use of seed oils that is the real cause of the increase in heart disease and breast cancer.
          I do hear that you like safflower oil for your infused oils.
          And I am curious about St. John's Wort flowers having perferations....I am going to look for them this summer, I just thought the holes were in the leaves.
          I believe that the photo sensitivity of St. John's Wort is from the dry plant eaten, not from other forms of the herbs. But perhaps here and there someone will have this. It isn't very common as we are led to believe from what is written.
          Peace, Julie
  • Re: Help needed with Infused Oils.

    Tue, September 2, 2008 - 1:45 PM
    Try drying the flowers then putting the dried petals in olive oil (or whatever oil you are using). This sometimes takes a few weeks to get to a good strong smell. I have mine in a dark bottle in a cupboard.

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