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I am curious it is possible to tune a cumbus to CFADGC so that I could have the common arabic oud tuning. I "think" I could shift down the lowest (in pitch) four courses two positions and then string the 2 lowest courses with a single course of something thicker from an accounstic guitar set.
Has anyone tried this before? If so how did you do it?
"Normal" gages for the standard cumbus string set from mid-east from lowest to highest are
0.34
0.30
0.23
0.17
0.12
0.10
So I am thinking using something like this and test around with what guages work well for the low C and F.
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0.34
0.30
0.23
0.17
Any comentaries are welcome. I think the jump in diameter might be a bit harsh for the high C and G but I guess only testing will tell.
I also wonder if thei place more or less tension on the instrument?
Has anyone tried this before? If so how did you do it?
"Normal" gages for the standard cumbus string set from mid-east from lowest to highest are
0.34
0.30
0.23
0.17
0.12
0.10
So I am thinking using something like this and test around with what guages work well for the low C and F.
?
?
0.34
0.30
0.23
0.17
Any comentaries are welcome. I think the jump in diameter might be a bit harsh for the high C and G but I guess only testing will tell.
I also wonder if thei place more or less tension on the instrument?
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Re: Tuning a Cumbus to CFADGC
Fri, October 31, 2008 - 9:09 AMI would try .040 - .045 for the F string and .055 - .060 for the C.
Another option is to put two heavy guitar sets, .013 - .058 each one for example, and then downtune to CFADGC.
Now I'm using an Aquila Nylgut turkish oud set, EABEAD tuning. Aquilas exert too much tension on my oud, but work fantastic on my cumbus - mellower sound and just a little softer touch than metal strings. The drawback is they're expensive (€ 22,00 per set). Besides the Avarez strings, aquilas give a great sound.
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Re: Tuning a Cumbus to CFADGC
Fri, October 31, 2008 - 11:03 AMThanks for the suggestions.
I found this web site for string calculation. www.zayaruzo.com/calculator2.aspx It is custom designed for their strings as they know the density of the materials used so all you have to provide is the length from bridge to nut and hopefully know the string tensions for your instrument. They only make nylon strings but the calculator might be an ok general guide.
Does anyone know what the "normal" string tension is for a standard cumbus?
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Re: Tuning a Cumbus to CFADGC
Wed, November 5, 2008 - 8:27 AMAlan, now I've realized that you shouldn't need two bass strings for your idea after all. Let me explain you, you can get a good FADGCF for your cumbus. Ok, so you just shift the FADGC strings down and put a 6th low string as a low C. You'd get a single low wound C string plus double wound courses for FADG and a double plain one for high C.
Cheers. -
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Re: Tuning a Cumbus to CFADGC
Wed, November 5, 2008 - 11:31 AMI just finished this project last night. What I did was go with all new strings. I used 2 sets of Martin Bronze medium gage accoustic guitar strings.
I made hoop ends using the end that would normally go in the machine head of the guitar by making a loop with my fingers and clamping the ends with vice grips. I then twisted the hoop with a screw driver. I cut the eye ends off and put those in the machine heads. All the strings are double coursed except the low C
Caution:
If you try this be careful as the stings are sharp after you cut them. You can poke your self easily (ouch) and I would wear eye protection also. I used a file to take some of the share edge off
When making the hoops it is tricky to get the sharp end out of the way so you are not scratching yourself. So pay attention there too.
I also adjusted the tension of the head up a good bit as some of the bolts were only finger tight from the factory.
Results:
I like the tone of the ADGC courses quite a bit. The tension on the G strings are a little loose (insert free joke here) but still sound good. The F is decent but the low C seems too low for the cumbus, at least for the string gages I am using. I suspect that DGADGC would sound the best for this string setup but I have not even had a chance to get the strings stretched out yet. More test playing is needed before I know if I think it is worth the effort time wise.
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Re: Tuning a Cumbus to CFADGC
Wed, November 5, 2008 - 1:33 PMConcerning ball-end strings which are thicker than tailpiece slot width, you'd try to use pliers to flatten the string section adjacent to the end balls. Also you can remove balls from the loops, thus making the strings loop-end.
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