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Hey Carmine and Paddy,
Did you see this instrument in Istanbul?
www.veyselmuzik.com/tr/ahenk.php
www.veyselmuzik.com/i2/ahenk3.jpg
It looks intermediate between a cumbus and an oud.
Hardly any information about this curious instrument is available on the internet...
Thanks,
Raul.
Did you see this instrument in Istanbul?
www.veyselmuzik.com/tr/ahenk.php
www.veyselmuzik.com/i2/ahenk3.jpg
It looks intermediate between a cumbus and an oud.
Hardly any information about this curious instrument is available on the internet...
Thanks,
Raul.
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Re: Ahenk
Thu, September 7, 2006 - 4:40 PMOnly a couple.. (didn't get a chance to play)...
Every store has like 1 cumbus... some have lots of oud, lots of baglama (saz) lots of guitars...
I'm uploading a video now of me questing for an electric oud :)
-Carmine
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Fri, September 8, 2006 - 12:44 PMWow, that looks very interesting. Carmine, play one for us and report back!
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Sat, September 9, 2006 - 4:54 AMHi Raul,
I can't watch videos, but I want to mention the "kopuz" or "kopus", or other spellings. Kopuz is an old Turkish instrument that was sometimes a little larger than ouds of the past, and may predate oud in Turkey. It had a sort of pear shaped body, with a skin head over part of the face. The bridge rested on the skin head. Does your video link show a recreation of this sort of instrument?
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Sun, September 10, 2006 - 6:34 AMHey Denys what's up, I just intended you to see the photos. I also can't watch that video. Maybe my mozilla firefox lacks some script...
Greetings,
Raul.
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Mon, September 11, 2006 - 3:59 PMDenys please try to open those links with Microsoft Internet Explorer. I've done it and I've been able to watch the video!. Ahenk sound is so similar to a cumbus, maybe with a sound being little less metallic. And more, there's seems to be an important nuance - I think I can hear courses tuned in octaves - like those of sazes, greek lutes or 12-string guitars. Please guys correct me if I am wrong.
I think that the strings are made of metal, like those of the cumbus.
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Mon, September 11, 2006 - 5:19 PMRaul I was able to open that webpage and download and watch and hear the video.
What a beautiful instrument! I want one! Dang!
Video sound: On my computer, I could hear the instrument and simultaneously a huge amount of high frequency noise. The noise was always coincident with the sound of the instrument. It may be an artifact of the recording or encoding process, and not necessarily my computer. In any case, the sound of the instrument to me sounds like
1. metal strings
2. the strings of each of the five courses he played sounded like they were close to the same pitch, not an octave apart. (my video may be clipped off before the end, but I never saw or heard him play the sixth course, the lowest course)
3. the strings of the fourth and fifth courses were not completely in unison.
4. I could not a huge improvement over cumbus sound, but again the sound quality of the video was pretty bad on my computer.
Appearance on video: Playing style looked like oud or cumbus with left hand, and right hand picking, but the manor he holds his pick looks like how many saz players hold their picks. Picking style did not look like saz playing.
Photos: The body looks like wooden ribing, fairly or perfectly round and flat wooden face, small skin patch where bridge sits, bridge is a cumbus bridge stings look like metal cumbus strings, neck and head and tuners are cumbus, finger board looks like mother of pearl inlay on a regular cumbus finger board, and dimensions look like cumbus. Sound holes in the face look oud style, as do the inlaid-looking borders for the holes and for the face edge. My overall conclusion is that the makers is making the body and and skin face, and perhaps also the string attachments, but using cumbus parts for most other parts.
I am curious now as to what nylon strings would sound like on this intrument, and also what they'd sound like on cumbus. After my October concert I'll try a single set of nylon strings on my cumbus.
Karadeniz/Denys
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Re: Ahenk
Sun, September 10, 2006 - 10:42 AMI have a CD named, "Greek-Oriental Rebetica: Songs and Dances in the Asia Minor Style: The Golden Years 1911:1937", from Arhoolie Records.
www.arhoolie.com/titles/7005.shtml
There is a black and white photo on the cover, and the instrument the man in the center is holding, looks pretty much identical to the photo of the ahenk.
On the back cover, the instrument is named a 'tambur'. I've searched on that, and I can't find any references to anything named tambur on the net that looks anything like this. -
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Sun, September 10, 2006 - 1:26 PMCharlie, thanks for giving such interesting link. I actually knew of that picture. The man holding the ahenk is the same you have on your primary photo, Agapios Toumboulis. He was a musician from Roza Eskenazi's ensemble. He mastered oud and also related instruments like cümbüs and ahenk.
Here's a link about his poor known biography:
www.spectacularopticals.com/BER....36680
He was born from armenian parents in Istanbul.
Greetings,
Raul.
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Sun, September 10, 2006 - 3:09 PMAgaphios Tomboulis was great. He played oud, cumbus and yes this instrument we know as the Ahenk.
I don't know if thats what it was known as then, but it certainly was popular.
I have actually played an Ahenk built by Cengiz Sarikus, Raul. The link you posted.
It should be pointed out that the Ahenk has nylon strings rather than steel. It is a very nice instrument, I would like to have one someday. It sounds very cumbus-like, but retains the sound of an oud at the same time. They are expensive however. I would think Carmine could get an Ahenk sound by using nylon strings on his wood-backed cumbus. -
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Sun, September 10, 2006 - 5:46 PMHi all
Paddy, have you looked at the video and the picture of the tailpiece on the Ahenk website.I had been wondering what the strings were for a while and after looking hard at the tailpiece picture and listening to the video I had decided that the strings were steal.Now I'm just confused.How does he tie the strings like that if they are nylon.
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Mon, September 11, 2006 - 4:35 PMNope the strings are nylon! Well the strings on the Ahenk I played in Cengiz's shop were nylon, and they were tuned in unison like a cumbus or oud, no octaves. It was a very nice instrument, much easier to play than a cumbus. You could play Turkish ornamentation much easier, I really like the instrument. I'd think you could get a similar effect on the wooden cumbus, something I might have to do sometime. But they are damn expensive. -
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Mon, September 11, 2006 - 5:02 PMHow expensive is damn expensive?Also, how much is a wooden Cumbus? -
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Mon, September 11, 2006 - 6:59 PMI can't remember, i think it was around 1800 dollars australian, but i'm not sure. I just remember it being expensive.
I'm not sure about the wooden cumbus price. Carmine, how much did Fethi charge you for yours? He charged me $100 for a cumbus saz that was usually $150. Good man.
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Tue, April 8, 2008 - 8:41 AMOn the advice of an older Turkish gentleman I once set up a cum"bu"s, with oud strings - it sounded very good, sort of like an oud with a trebly amp and a bit of reverb. The new ahenk I saw had metal strings, though.
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Fri, March 21, 2008 - 10:28 AM
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Wed, March 26, 2008 - 8:10 AMI have seen an older one, not set up to play, and a buddy of mine got one 2 years ago, very nice tone, and a real conversation piece.
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Fri, August 22, 2008 - 12:09 PMI just posted a picture of the instrument in question. I got it through Sinan Erdemsel (www.oudist.com) of Istanbul. A friend of his, whose name escapes me, has made several of them to special order. I think I paid $750 for it, with a hard case. I was fortunate enough to have a friend bring it back as cabin luggage to the States.
It came with nylon strings *and* a set of cumbus strings. I like the sound with the oud strings so well that I haven't tried the metal ones.
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Re: Ahenk
Tue, November 4, 2008 - 8:12 AMNo, but I saw one in Mendocino last year at Lark camp, Paul had one in the rebetiko tent. Lovely item, sort of a kanun/cumbus/oud thing.