What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?

topic posted Mon, December 11, 2006 - 6:40 AM by  Carmine
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Hey All...

I was thinking of writing an article for my website: www.dorku.com
(since I haven't written any articles yet) :)

I was thinking of writing about amplifying the cumbus....

What are you folks using?

Thanks!

-Carmine
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Carmine
New York City
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  • Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?

    Mon, December 11, 2006 - 10:30 PM
    Hi
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    Cheers
    Greg
    • Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?

      Mon, December 11, 2006 - 10:32 PM
      ummm. who are these people?
      • Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?

        Mon, December 11, 2006 - 11:38 PM
        Well do I have a red face or what!
        www.microvox.co.uk/

        Sorry about that
        Greg
        • Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?

          Tue, December 12, 2006 - 8:23 AM
          Hello people,
          K and K sound makes some decent sounding pickups that are cheap and adhesive on. Carmine your gooseneck mic looks like a good system.. Do you ever have feedback problems with it?
          Microphones live can be tricky.
          I am lookng forward for an oppurtunity to play my cumbus live through my P.A. system. I am sure people in a bar will be curious as to what the heck it is!?!
          • Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?

            Tue, December 12, 2006 - 9:02 AM
            I use the K and K twin spot pickup on my cumbus, and cumbus saz, and have for a couple of years now.

            The sound quality is great, and I can get loud enough to be heard over as many drums as I need to. I have used it through a portable Pignose amp, and a Fender guitar amp. I have also had it plugged into a house sound system at a restaurant, with live mikes in front of me, and it worked fine.

            I find that I need to make sure that the amp speaker is far enough away from the cumbus, and facing away from it, or I get feedback problems.
            • Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?

              Tue, December 12, 2006 - 1:32 PM
              Right, amplifying the cumbus is an unusual idea, i mean think about why the instrument was invented :-) BUT anyways,

              I have a Shadow greek bouzouki magnetic pickup screwed to the end of the neck. To install this, I had to take the instrument apart, take the neck off, and take some wood off the edge of the neck so the pickup would fit. The pickup has a little bracket to hook onto the end of a bouzouki fingerboard, so, I marked this out on the now cut away neck, then chiselled it out. Then sat the pickup in there, drilled a hole for the screw to go through, then put a piece of black duct tape over the hole bracket mess because it was a little weird looking.

              www.shadow-electronics.com/viewpro.html
              Theres the pickup I got.
              The result sounds really really great, cumbus strings are the same material as greek bouzouki strings (silver wound steel) so it worked really well. However, the pickup JUST struggles to reach the highest course of strings and doesn't pick them up as loud. But, the sound is great, not hugely banjoey but it's a clean and nice sound. I wish the pickup was just a tad wider though to get those last strings.

              SO, I'm thinking of taking it off and putting some of those K and K pickups on, they are the best I hear.

              There is something you all must consider though, is that using these pickups just straight out is a risk. Carmine, those suction cup things sound like shit because I assume your not using a preamp. Any cheap pickup will work well on a cumbus provided that you uses a good preamp to boost its output and shape your tone just a bit. I've tried the suction cup on my yayli tanbur, through an L.R Baggs Paracoustic DI box, and results were absolutely spot on the sound of the instrument, I couldn't tell any difference.

              You can use those Boss Graphic Equalizer pedals, which I have, but they are better for magnetic pickups on bouzooukis and laoutos, and the pickup on my cumbus now. They work but are not as appropriate for contact piezo pickups.

              All the best,
              Paddy
              • Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?

                Tue, December 12, 2006 - 6:16 PM
                Hey Paddy...
                Your link didn't work. But those Shadow pickups look pretty nifty...

                Yeah.. pre-amps are huge and i'm learning the benefits of a good one.

                I'm using the Fishman Pro Platinum for my Oud. I've also heard good things about the LR Baggs preamps from people all over the universe. Maybe i'll grab one if I stumble into some money :)

                I've used the Boss EQ pedal on my oud and it's pretty harsh... however i've seen real super pro guys using the boss eq and nothing else and their stuff sounds amazing!

                Maybe I'll pickup the LR Baggs one soon and give it a shot with the oud...

                -Carmine
                • Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?

                  Wed, December 13, 2006 - 5:51 AM
                  Yeah shadow make top quality stuff, all the Turks put shadow pickups in teh acoustic electric sazes these days, and like acoustic guitars here, you find the fishman and shadow preamps on the body of the saz! The turks are really with the times, acoustic-electric sazes with piezos and four band EQ on board :D.

                  Preamps are vital, plugging a clip on tuner mic or suction cup pickup into the board is goign to sound like a dentist drill, or something similar.

                  The fishman pro platinums are great, a friend of mine uses one on his sitar, the results are great.

                  I use the EQ pedals for magnetic pickups (guitars, bouzouki and laouto), not for piezo or contact.

                  I did a big show here a coupla days ago, playing oud, mandolin, laouto and bouzouki, so i had two magnetics and two piezo contact pickups. The contact pickups went into the powerful Baggs Para DI, where I removed the midrange and really did some good EQing, and got a great sound. The magnetics went through a seperate DI channel going through the Behringer (same as boss pretty much) 7 band EQ pedal, where I got such a great boost and really unique magnetic soundhole pickup sound. It was a great rig, I had good sound, and when you have good sound, you play better people, it's a fact.

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