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Hey All...
I was thinking of writing an article for my website: www.dorku.com
(since I haven't written any articles yet) :)
I was thinking of writing about amplifying the cumbus....
What are you folks using?
Thanks!
-Carmine
I was thinking of writing an article for my website: www.dorku.com
(since I haven't written any articles yet) :)
I was thinking of writing about amplifying the cumbus....
What are you folks using?
Thanks!
-Carmine
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Mon, December 11, 2006 - 12:42 PMBy now I use nothing but i think this thread must be useful to all of us...
What do you think about suction pad mics?. They're the cheapest.
www.maplin.co.uk/images/100/3519i0.jpg
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Mon, December 11, 2006 - 5:10 PMThe only thing i've ever seen these used for is recording from a telephone handset. They don't seem to be a very high fidelity option... i can't imagine that they would sound very good, but i could be wrong.
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Mon, December 11, 2006 - 6:37 PMI would avoid the suction cup..
Why?
If someone trips over your cable.. could rip your face off..
Raul.. the clip on things are $8 to $15.. you can't get much cheaper than that (and I know they work ok)
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Mon, December 11, 2006 - 7:03 PMI don't know about that suction cup mic but I used the suction cup mic
that came with my Peterson tuner and it worked great on my "cumbus saz".
I also have a clip-on from Peterson that did not work well at all.
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Mon, December 11, 2006 - 10:30 PMHi
If anyone is looking for cheepish high quality very small microphones ,have a look at these people.I have several of there products and the live stage sound is very nice.Their mic's are used by a lot of the top performers in the British folk scene.There service is very good also (free postage) and there after sales backup couldn't be better.And no I don't have shares in the company.
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Mon, December 11, 2006 - 10:32 PMummm. who are these people? -
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Tue, December 12, 2006 - 8:23 AMHello people,
K and K sound makes some decent sounding pickups that are cheap and adhesive on. Carmine your gooseneck mic looks like a good system.. Do you ever have feedback problems with it?
Microphones live can be tricky.
I am lookng forward for an oppurtunity to play my cumbus live through my P.A. system. I am sure people in a bar will be curious as to what the heck it is!?! -
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Tue, December 12, 2006 - 9:02 AMI use the K and K twin spot pickup on my cumbus, and cumbus saz, and have for a couple of years now.
The sound quality is great, and I can get loud enough to be heard over as many drums as I need to. I have used it through a portable Pignose amp, and a Fender guitar amp. I have also had it plugged into a house sound system at a restaurant, with live mikes in front of me, and it worked fine.
I find that I need to make sure that the amp speaker is far enough away from the cumbus, and facing away from it, or I get feedback problems. -
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Tue, December 12, 2006 - 1:32 PMRight, amplifying the cumbus is an unusual idea, i mean think about why the instrument was invented :-) BUT anyways,
I have a Shadow greek bouzouki magnetic pickup screwed to the end of the neck. To install this, I had to take the instrument apart, take the neck off, and take some wood off the edge of the neck so the pickup would fit. The pickup has a little bracket to hook onto the end of a bouzouki fingerboard, so, I marked this out on the now cut away neck, then chiselled it out. Then sat the pickup in there, drilled a hole for the screw to go through, then put a piece of black duct tape over the hole bracket mess because it was a little weird looking.
www.shadow-electronics.com/viewpro.html
Theres the pickup I got.
The result sounds really really great, cumbus strings are the same material as greek bouzouki strings (silver wound steel) so it worked really well. However, the pickup JUST struggles to reach the highest course of strings and doesn't pick them up as loud. But, the sound is great, not hugely banjoey but it's a clean and nice sound. I wish the pickup was just a tad wider though to get those last strings.
SO, I'm thinking of taking it off and putting some of those K and K pickups on, they are the best I hear.
There is something you all must consider though, is that using these pickups just straight out is a risk. Carmine, those suction cup things sound like shit because I assume your not using a preamp. Any cheap pickup will work well on a cumbus provided that you uses a good preamp to boost its output and shape your tone just a bit. I've tried the suction cup on my yayli tanbur, through an L.R Baggs Paracoustic DI box, and results were absolutely spot on the sound of the instrument, I couldn't tell any difference.
You can use those Boss Graphic Equalizer pedals, which I have, but they are better for magnetic pickups on bouzooukis and laoutos, and the pickup on my cumbus now. They work but are not as appropriate for contact piezo pickups.
All the best,
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Tue, December 12, 2006 - 6:16 PMHey Paddy...
Your link didn't work. But those Shadow pickups look pretty nifty...
Yeah.. pre-amps are huge and i'm learning the benefits of a good one.
I'm using the Fishman Pro Platinum for my Oud. I've also heard good things about the LR Baggs preamps from people all over the universe. Maybe i'll grab one if I stumble into some money :)
I've used the Boss EQ pedal on my oud and it's pretty harsh... however i've seen real super pro guys using the boss eq and nothing else and their stuff sounds amazing!
Maybe I'll pickup the LR Baggs one soon and give it a shot with the oud...
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Tue, December 12, 2006 - 6:17 PMMaybe Paddy can come to the US and him and I can record a Cumbusterbation album or Cumbus Superstars or something :)
-Carmine
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Wed, December 13, 2006 - 5:51 AMYeah shadow make top quality stuff, all the Turks put shadow pickups in teh acoustic electric sazes these days, and like acoustic guitars here, you find the fishman and shadow preamps on the body of the saz! The turks are really with the times, acoustic-electric sazes with piezos and four band EQ on board :D.
Preamps are vital, plugging a clip on tuner mic or suction cup pickup into the board is goign to sound like a dentist drill, or something similar.
The fishman pro platinums are great, a friend of mine uses one on his sitar, the results are great.
I use the EQ pedals for magnetic pickups (guitars, bouzouki and laouto), not for piezo or contact.
I did a big show here a coupla days ago, playing oud, mandolin, laouto and bouzouki, so i had two magnetics and two piezo contact pickups. The contact pickups went into the powerful Baggs Para DI, where I removed the midrange and really did some good EQing, and got a great sound. The magnetics went through a seperate DI channel going through the Behringer (same as boss pretty much) 7 band EQ pedal, where I got such a great boost and really unique magnetic soundhole pickup sound. It was a great rig, I had good sound, and when you have good sound, you play better people, it's a fact.
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Sat, December 16, 2006 - 1:26 PMLu Edmonds (of the Damned and Billy Bragg) uses an electric guitar pickup (single coil), placed in the small space between the body and the neck. It does sound like a cumbus.
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Sat, December 16, 2006 - 1:39 PMHere he is:
www-personal.umich.edu/~mhuey...us.jpeg
While looking for Lu Edmunds's cumbus, I found another picture of an amplified cumbus, this time some piezo-system attached to the bridge:
www.rogerlandes.com/images/new_cumbus.jpg
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Sun, June 15, 2008 - 10:53 PMI have the pickup that is shown here:
www.rogerlandes.com/images/new_cumbus.jpg
It's a D-Tar Banjo Soundspot pickup and it's simply three piezo discs that slide under the bridge and are held in place by the tension.
At first, I thought it sounded horrible but I was plugging directly into the amp. Now, I'm using a Zoom G2(already owned one) as a preamp with the volume on full. The G2 has a nice 6-band eq, compression and delay/reverb. I've been playing it all day and I really like the sound of this pickup. However, I still haven't taken it to rehearsal or the stage. I'll try to give my thoughts on it after it gets a real test. -
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Mon, June 23, 2008 - 7:38 AMI took the cumbus + D-Tar pickup to rehearsal last night. It performed wonderfully at every volume level (it had to compete with a drum kit at times). No feedback issues and the tone was as good as I could have hoped for when using a pickup instead of a mic. I definitely recommend this pickup. -
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Mon, June 23, 2008 - 5:47 PMDo you have any recordings of it? -
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Mon, July 7, 2008 - 7:15 AMI might have some recordings from a show we did this weekend. A friend had a portable mp3 recorder and promised to send us the results. I'll post the link when I have it. -
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Thu, July 24, 2008 - 10:43 PMOk, here's a live recording of the pickup I described. As you can hear, it was plenty loud enough to compete with a drum kit with no feedback problems.
www.funkychurch.com/images/s...adman.mp3
You can also listen to another track, "Cappadocia" on myspace.com/thesubcons from the same live recording.
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Tue, December 12, 2006 - 3:45 PMI see lots of expert opinions...
Regards,
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Wed, December 13, 2006 - 5:52 AMThanks boys, Carmine, we will join forces someday, I'm sure of such things. -
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Wed, December 13, 2006 - 7:59 AML R baggs preamps are great. I also use their soundhole pickup to amplify my Larivee acoustic guitar. It actually has a more "natural" sound than most under saddle pickups I have used.
We should all receive endorsement money! Someone should make these companies aware of our discussions. Best wishes everyone, Bill
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Wed, December 13, 2006 - 9:46 PMHey guys, Carmine, it's called the SH 2000, it's great for ouds and cumbuses alike.
The thing is, you leave it on there, and just detach the little cable.
Get one of these, plug in, find the right spot on the oud before unpeeling the adhesive stuff, then play it with the sound you like, makr the spot where you wanna put it, then stick it there. Get the model with the tone and volume controls, they are really good.
Put one of these through the Baggs or Fishman, youve' got a simple but really good setup.
Carmine you ordered one? good, they are good with ouds.
Regards,
Paddy
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Wed, December 13, 2006 - 7:59 AMHey!
I just ordered the LR.Baggs... should have it in a coule days... mmm i'll tell you how it goes with my oud...
How much is a trip to Australia? Or vice versa to NYC? :)
-Carmine
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Re: What are you using to amplify your Cumbus?
Wed, December 13, 2006 - 8:16 AMPaddy... which model Shadow pickup are you using.. the link didn't work...
-Carmine
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