Can anyone tell me what the difference is between "tattoo flash artist", and " custom tatttoo flash artist"?

Just curious......

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  • Re: What, exactly, is a "Custom Tattoo Flash Artist"?

    Wed, September 27, 2006 - 3:19 PM
    someone who will design a tattoo for you so another tattoo artist can tattoo it on you !
    alot of artwork for tattoo's is more cartoonie than most styles of artwork !...most tattoo designs are for the most part black outlined ..which gives designs a cartoonie look....this is not true for all designs but yer generic designs are mostly this way !
    As well ...I know alot of tattooists who can follow a stencil line with a set of needles yet could'nt design something original if their life depended on it !
    Someone can give me verbable ( written )discriptions of the tattoo design they want and I'll draw up roughs until I get as close to their idea as I can get !
  • Re: What, exactly, is a "Custom Tattoo Flash Artist"?

    Thu, September 28, 2006 - 2:34 PM
    My thought was if it is flash, then it isnt really custom. There is custom tattoo art and flash tattoo art.
    • Well, first of all, if a tattooer can't "draw to save his/her life", they're not exactly an "artist", are they? Neither should they be doing tattoos that require an artistic skill set, right? If they can't draw, they can't interpret another artist's work to make it a good tattoo. Start using the term "tattooer" unless and until you KNOW that an individual is also an "artist". MOST tattooers don't draw well, but try anyway. They'll do great "mechanical tattooing" quite often, but the artwork aspect is missing. While mechanics are perfectly legitimate as tattooers, they shouldn't be trying to do things that require an artistic eye/education/sensibility. Primarily, this is the cause of more shitty tattoo work than any other single factor, in my experience.

      BUT, there are MANY MANY tattooers out there who are also competent illustrators, artists in their own right, and if you're tattooer can't draw what you want, GET A DIFFERENT TATTOOER!!!! There's NO excuse for having someone who can't draw change how you look nekkid. There's great artists out there. Give them your business. They're typically not any more expensive than the "mechanic" types.

      If someone HAS a competent artist as their tattooer, they don't need anyone else "creating tattoos", and if they don't have an artist, they need a different tattooer. Kinda makes the whole "Custom Tattoo Flash Artist" a niche job, making certain that tattooers with no artistic ability are attempting tattoos that they won't be skilled enough to create properly, doncha think?

      As a tattooer, I guess I'm having trouble with the whole idea that someone "not a tattooer" is "more qualified" to create "tattoo-medium friendly" artwork than someone working with the tools every day. EVERY DAY people bring in tattoo "designs" that their "friend drew" which will NEVER look good as a tattoo, and once in a while someone brings in a design that their "artist friend" drew, but that does NOT translate well tot he tattoo/skin medium. So, I guess I feel that either you can't draw, at which time you have no business attempting artistically challenging tattoos, or you can, at which time you don't need someone else "creating a custom tattoo design" for you, and either you DO tattoo for a living, at which time you have no need to "create custom artwork for incompetent tattooers", or you DON'T tattoo, at which time you don't know enough about the medium to create tattoos that a solely "mechanical" tattooer can apply well.

      Patronize tattooers who are illustrators themselves. I work in a "street shop", with the walls covered in a thousand sheets of flash. I doubt there's been more than one or two "flash" tattoos done in the studio in the last two months, with four tattooers working, primarily because every tattoo we do is "custom", that is to say, drawn specifically for each customer. The last street shop I worked in was located about 5 blocks from a "party school" college campus. Flash tattoos were the order of the day, but each and every one of us was capable of creating just about every tattoo we ever did, flash or original. There's enough awesome tattoo "artists" out there that "custom flash tattoos" need be done, except for the little "we all want this one, stick it here" pieces that the average 19 y/o college girl gets with her three girlfriends on a Friday night, and they can usually find what they want on the wall of a street shop, which their "mechanically competent tattooer" is quite capable of doing properly.

      Just my two cents.
      • I only imply'd that....I personally know acouple tattooist's who could'nt draw a stick man if their life depended on it..yet they sit in their shop all day long and stencil alot of wall flash and they know their trade well enough that they can work the tattoo machine well enough to make a desent line and know how to do a blood wash or water wash and it's noth'n but a colouring book at that point and they can fill in the colour !
        I see them personally as assembly line tattooist's that will sit and ink butterflys all day long ! ( note...as long as these guys have art...they can push some pretty good ink ! )
        I guess it really depends on the customer !
        I wish I had more time to just sit and draw designs but.....when your just pump'n out images....and nobody to ink em on...the it's all about marketing and sales and who's gonna buy em and who's gonna sell em ! Then your not a tattoo artist...your an artist tattooist !
        Again it's all in how you interpret the word artist....car mechanic's can be artists in their own right !
        I kinda started this tribe as a place for some artist's...tattooist's ....car mechanics....can post images of designs that they've drawn and maybe the customer at the time did'nt personally like the art or did'nt show up or for some reason...your image never got used for its purpose and ya just got it lay'n around....if your not really worried about tribes copyright law....
        I wanted people to post images they've done themselves and it'll be something that you prolly wont find with a google image search!
        • I am a flash artist who is with Flash2xs.com and Tattoofinder.com,have also done flash for Superior tattoo supply and was with Cherry Creek for about a year.I think I may be almost qualified to put in my2 cents,so........."Custom" and "Flash are kinda contradictory tems because by definition,Flash is (are?) a display of tattoo designs that are typically purchased from a supplier or publisher for the clientele to choose from.VERY few shops display more than a comparative few designs drawn "in house" (most have NONE) and even those,while unique and original to that shop,are "Flash".If it is on display for anyone who wants it to come in and select,it is "FLASH".
          Custom refers to a design that is drawn up to be used one time for one person and an ethical tattooist will respect that and not later display a copy of it for anyone with the cash to purchase. Whether the design is drawn by the tattooist of by a talented friend,it is "custom" if it is drawn for you and not the general public.
          Some of the other Flash2xs/Tattoofinder artists DO draw custom designs for people who contact them thru the website but I am not one of them and have no clue what the rates are.I only do custom for those I tattoo,not because I'm a prick,it"s because I'm lazy!
          Also,the incomparable Gail Somers (A Cherry Creek artist) used to draw a LOT of custom stuff by request but I dont know if she still does or not.
          Anyways,CUSTOM goes on you and only on you,FLASH goes on display and on anyone who picks it out.

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