Why do you fight?

topic posted Sat, June 2, 2007 - 12:28 AM by  offlineLi
I learned today that by knowing in your heart EXACTLY why you fight, your mind becomes stronger, and your techniques strives with a purpose. My reason is that I know there ARE people on this world that don't want to share this planet with me or the things I value. My job to to make sure they don't seceded. What is your reason to fight?
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  • Re: Why do you fight?

    Sat, June 2, 2007 - 12:22 PM
    "Fight" - for me anyway - is difficult to quantify in any absolute measure. For an example: Do you mean fighting with primary motivation being simple victory, or are you talking about fighting for survival?

    Anyway at the risk of sounding like I'm expousing eastern thought - which isn't necessarily my intention:

    I try to make sure my mind & heart exist in the present moment at all times.....I try to see through the eye's of "chi" primarily, with the senses & reflexes being secondary to just "being".

    Fighting to me is like every change of energy flow - it's situational. Like every other event & object in spacetime...Every interaction is a unique construct of reality, and instead of anticipating, or predicting what may/may not happen (like having to defend myself ) - I prefer to let whatever needs to happen just unfold, and try to unfold with it in as pure & honest way as possible.

    In real-life confrontations there are a lot of variables - it can get a lot more unpredictable and messy on the street as opposed to in the controlled setting of a training environment/dojo.

    In terms of competition, tournaments, etc., I feel essentially the same way - about being in the now, etc. But that's a different kind of fighting with obviously different motivations &intentions then fighting for survival.



    Essentially I believe if you are an all-around well-balanced person AND fighter - it'll increase your odds of surviving a possible assault, or winning a sparring match!
  • Re: Why do you fight?

    Sat, June 2, 2007 - 10:21 PM
    I fight when there is no alternative. I fight because I wish to survive. I fight to purge the weaknesses out of my spirit and to better understand the demon inside of me. I fight because I never want to be at the mercy of some bully who makes me feel worthless, like my father. I fight because it is in my blood.
    • Re: Why do you fight?

      Sun, June 3, 2007 - 6:42 AM
      wining with out fighting is the art of war, any time you enter a conflict you have all ready experienced a loss. I fight only when I have no other choice, I train to fight because it chanels my agression in a positive way.
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    Re: Why do you fight?

    Fri, June 8, 2007 - 4:18 AM
    greetings to tribe martial arts. (first post here)

    Why do I fight? when I was younger I always had to fight, to fight for myself in order not to get teased or because someones punched me I have to punch them back, to fight for possessions etch...or fighting because I wasnt mature enough to handle a given situation with what i know and fighting was the only way to let out tension.

    now that I have "matured" a little bit and experienced a little bit of what life has to offer, fighting for me is my way of getting better. I see fighting in 2 ways, when I fight, it is with myself, ie. should i get up to go to work today or sleep in, and I have to fight to wake up early in order not to be late for work, the other is sparring...sparring for me is another way of trying to improve myself, I think it surpasses winning and loosing or beating the other person up, Im more motivated by the physical dynamics of the sparring itself, I enjoy movement and watching my opponents attack me or the way the punches travel fast, and I like to notice my reactions and I enjoy the hightened awareness that comes with sparring, the conditioning, the fitness and the health benefits of sparring.
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    Re: Why do you fight?

    Fri, June 8, 2007 - 11:16 AM
    Wow, you guys are deep. I don't have some mythical trigger that makes me fight.
    I start simply fight when
    1. I feel like it
    2. I wanna prove something to myself.
    3. Getting something/ someone out of my reality.

    Is more like a decision really.
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    Re: Why do you fight?

    Wed, June 20, 2007 - 7:56 AM
    Interesting question.

    I thought about this last night while fighting.
    Mostly, I love the feeling of it. The combination of physicality, mental, spiritual (or life energy flowing). And, as well, it's a strategy. Like chess. It's one of those times when time slows... just before you avoid getting klocked in the head. ;)

    It allows so many aspects of oneself to be heightened at the same time. It's just great.
    The best, is fighting someone new, who's movements you are not familiar with.

    Like taking a new road, rather than the familiar one...

    Can't say it's much deeper than that. Other than it's a passion. Not for hurting the person, but for strategy, which I suppose can translate to all other aspects of life.
    • Re: Why do you fight?

      Sat, June 23, 2007 - 1:01 PM
      What's that supposed to mean Kae.......say...do you wanna step outside?


      *whistles "The Good, The Bad & The Ugly" theme*

      hahahahahaha


      kidding I'm kidding......(I'm fucking FLYING on coffee this morning...hee hee hee)
  • Re: Why do you fight?

    Sat, June 23, 2007 - 4:49 PM
    The term fight is so ambiguous.

    By what perimeters do you define fight? Do you mean physical conflict with others? Do you mean training? Do you mean "fighting" within competition?
  • Re: Why do you fight?

    Sat, June 23, 2007 - 11:24 PM
    "The wind and the snow polish the sword" - (Calligraphic scroll received from Anno Sensei, original source unknown)

    My true opponent is my own resistance to "the way"

    ... yes this really is my personal experience

    ... no I didn't simply recite this from a random fortune cookie I just cracked open.

    I train because it is my path.

    I fight because I am afraid.

    ( *
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      Re: Why do you fight?

      Sun, June 24, 2007 - 1:31 AM
      um ok.
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        Re: Why do you fight?

        Mon, June 25, 2007 - 4:13 PM
        Fighting is usually a reaction to a loss of mobility. Whether physical, mental, spiritual (which are one and the same), OR a percieved or 'real' threat (what the phuk is that so-and-so looking at!?).
        Martial arts are freedom of mobility. Knowing there are still options when you're being 'invaded'. If you don't get pissed in the training hall; why get pissed out on the street, when someone cuts you off, or because you're having a 'bad day'? If you do get pissed in the training hall, well, more power to ya...
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          Re: Why do you fight?

          Mon, June 25, 2007 - 8:17 PM
          In a street situation, If someone wanted to fight you, wouldnt they pursue you into fighting, they will sometimes keep talking real loud and get closer to you, maybee push you a few times...what do u do then?
          • Re: Why do you fight?

            Mon, June 25, 2007 - 8:22 PM
            As far as Im concerned, in a hostile situation like that, once the opponent makes unwelcome physical contact, its all over bt the crying. Im not saying I would drop them like a sack of potatoes, but definitly a couple of shin kicks to the psiatic, just to let them know I wasnt pleased.
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              Re: Why do you fight?

              Tue, June 26, 2007 - 3:57 AM
              would you give them a verbal warning first, like "dont touch me"...or once unwelcome physical contact is made, you start shin kicking them just like that?
              • Re: Why do you fight?

                Wed, June 27, 2007 - 12:05 PM
                My apologies Ed, Ive been haning around my *goofier* tries much too long and my wisecrackery go thte best of me. In all honesty, Ive been taken to task, so to speak, by fellow students who think that I would give far TOO many opportunities for the opponent to scape. My general mindset is such that I want to avoid physical conflict as much as possible. I try to talk them out of it as much as possible. Even then, if I am unable to verbal judo my way out of things, I prefer techniques that give the opponent opportunity to back out of the conflict before it gets serious. Thats why I prefer techniques like shin kicks to the leg overly defensive tactics, it hopefully will convince those that are in well over their heads to take a rain check and back out....
          • Re: Why do you fight?

            Mon, June 25, 2007 - 11:21 PM
            There is no one answer to this question. What you do depends on what you trained to do and the environment in which you find yourself. This question is too vague. What are you really asking?
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              Re: Why do you fight?

              Tue, June 26, 2007 - 4:08 AM
              Good point.

              With people under the influence of alcohol...this guy once had me up against the wall grabbing my collar, because I didnt ask permission to grab a ciggarette, so I said "fine, have your ciggarette back" I was thinking it was a share all party, but he wouldnt drop it, he started mouthing off over and over, and at this point I was thinking, I can easily snap this guys arm, but I didnt...I did not want to snap the guys arm, it seemed too easy, and at this point some random girl goes leave it, and it was like all back to normal, I was feeling abit pissed off.

              My friends were saying that I should ave smashed him, it seemed like I lost some respect among them, because under that situation their emotions wuld have got the better of them and go for a fight. I didnt feel like my life was in danger...but at that moment, I felt like I lost, some dude harassing me and he ends up with the girl, even though I could have snapped his arm but didnt.

              maybee I should have been more drunk.
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                Re: Why do you fight?

                Tue, June 26, 2007 - 9:03 AM
                It's definitely tough when being confronted directly by a loud, drunk knucklehead. It's difficult to remember there are still ways to direct the situation; to sieze the initiative from the mini-alpha beating his chest. One of the martial gems that can be applied is that;
                'Resistance causes persistance'. Whether meeting a force head on, or desperately trying to get away from it; in both situations there is resistance. By trying to resist what is offered to you, you empower the generous giver and actually validate their position. Accept what they offer and place it where you want to, or be ready to offer them an unexpected gift. You never have to give them what they expect.
                Walking home late once, a larger, drunker (or maybe just as drunk) complete stranger walks along side of me and puts his arm around my shoulders. He squeezes me in close and in a loud voice says, 'Haey buddy! How wee doing tonight!' He's having a power trip. OK. I had actually just been training a take-down that would have been *perfect* for this set-up. I believe I could have dropped this fool on the back of his head and been on my way, or my technique could have been off and I would have ended up wrestling this goof. We never broke stride and just kept walking like a couple drunken sailors. I relaxed. I consciously took the tension out of my shoulders and nuzzled in close to this guy. I spoke back calmly, 'Oh man, I'm doing great. What a night, huh? What do you have going on for yourself?' he doesn't answer and I can feel the uncertainty in his arm around me. He's exposed himself to a complete stranger who isn't intimidated or wants to fight. He uneasily takes his arm back and sort of keeps up a 'polite' conversation with me until he wishes me a good evening. We part ways unscathed.
                • Re: Why do you fight?

                  Wed, June 27, 2007 - 1:46 PM
                  This is in my mind what is meant by,..'to fight without fighting'. These are some of my proudest battles. I've been surounded by 'Skin-Heads'... ready for battle,...I smile BIG(and sincerely...ya know fear the fearless)do a back flip and continue to mosh(at a show) and the alpha Skin anounces that everyone leave me alone!....But there are better moments of getting a hater to talk and process their bad energy.Fighting is best reserved for 'protecting' rather than saving 'Pride'.The male ego is a beast worth conquering.
        • Re: Why do you fight?

          Tue, July 10, 2007 - 1:20 AM
          *bows to all*

          The best way i can define why i fight, why i practice MA, is to say that by fighting both on and off the matt i hope to better myself and in teh process defend the lives of those around me. Though it is not directly from "the way" at my current dojang we used to have a oath of sorts that we used to take everyday before the class began. One line in paticular always struck me, " I swear to use my knowledge for the defense of myself, my family and teh people around me,"( Black Belt Code from my school). This is why i fight. Because it is a martial artist' duty to defend those around them and themselves. By doing so they can achieve honor. Forgive if i sound naive, but i have only just recently learned of "the way" and have started on its path, and my experiance in MA, though i considered it advanced for my age, is truly just begaining, i only hope to learn more.
  • Li
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    Re: Why do you fight?

    Wed, June 27, 2007 - 10:10 PM
    Not looking for any particular answer nor asking any particular question. I am just interested in martial philosophies other people and how they relate it to their life philosophies.
    • Re: Why do you fight?

      Thu, June 28, 2007 - 12:28 AM
      Li - Sorry for the misunderstanding bro, my post above was directed at Ed.

      Ed - Regarding the guy having you against the wall: I'm sure I'm going to catch some flak for this sounding too dramatic, but here it goes: something you have keep in mind when you're in any kind of confrontation that has a chance of getting physical is this - If a man can touch you, he can kill you. It's affectionately known as a kill zone. Now I bring that up because the principle element you need to bear in mind when a fella is getting up in your grill is an awareness of that kill zone. You don't want to put yourself or be put in a situation where you are in that zone. So you do whatever you have to in order to maintain some distance. You talk him down, you get his calmer headed friends to pull him back, or you just straight tell him that he needs to stay back. Because once he's in a position to be able to touch you, the danger level goes way up. The fact of the matter is that by grabbing you, that man brought a weapon to bear on you. A grip can do a lot more than just pin someone, like he did to you; a grip can be used to throw, to choke, to break joints and to end a life. You do not want to be at the mercy of another man's grip and you do not want to be in his kill zone. I've done my share of bouncing and I will freely admit that I've buffaloed my way out of a number of incidents, but once they make a committed decision to enter that kill zone and engage you, despite being warned, then it's time to do some dancing. Otherwise you are taking a terrible risk and letting your fate be decided by some drunk with a grudge.
      • Re: Why do you fight?

        Thu, June 28, 2007 - 5:46 AM
        Allen- Brother, I was all set to disagree with you at first then I kept reading. Perhaps 'kill zo over the top, but I get your meaning. Rather than "staying OUT of their 'kill zone'" I prefer to maintain control of my own kill zone all times. I let in those that need attitude adjustments that a discussion wont fix, and I keep those that I MAY NOT be able to handle. To a large degree, if theyre out of mine, then I am out of theirs. If theirs is larger than mine, I adjust. For me its about owning your abilities and being comfortable IN them, like good pair of shoes, if youre not comfortable in them, your gonna hurt yourself.

        just one mans opinion.
        • Re: Why do you fight?

          Tue, September 18, 2007 - 7:48 PM
          To fight for me is to truely know myself and others. To truely prepare myself for all things. To be ready for anthing and everything. Nothing is more true than standing in front of someone who is maybe larger, stronger, faster and just as skilled or even more skilled than i am. He is going to try to hurt me and i will in turn do the same. There are no excuses or limitations or what ifs or maybes. It is brutally honest win or lose. Thats why I love it.
          And whether or not I win or lose is not the point, the fact that i can stand without doubt in myself, living only in the moment, with my wits about me and my spirit calm and focused, and do my absolute best, give my all. 100 percent shows me somthing even more addictive.
          That there is nothing out there that i can come across that i could not handle with the same frame of mind. Ive tried to think of every scenario possible. Cancer/Terminal illness, Losing my wife or children, Stress, money issues, losing my job or career, bankruptcy, even facing death. If i can handle the heat of the moment in which someone is trying to hurt me, I can handle any moment, tho difficult, or heartbreaking, there is nothing that cannot be overcome after you truely get to know yoursef from fighting.
  • Re: Why do you fight?

    Fri, November 2, 2007 - 7:37 PM
    I just posted a small reason why in the "Why do you train" thread, that i can elaborate on here:

    I agree that there are many situational reasons for people to fight, and we all have those. There are certainly situations when fighting will be the only answer for me. But if i had to whittle all my reasons down to WHY i fight, or WHY i train, or WHY martial arts is my passion, it would be this:

    I fight for betterment. I love to fight, i love to compete. I love to win, and in fact, i love to lose, too. I fight to better myself. I learn what my limits are through competition. I like to learn where my boundaries lie, and to find out how i can push myself beyond those limits. I fight people better than me so that i can lose. When i lose, i can learn what to do differently to win the next time i fight. When i win, i can learn the mistakes of my opponent, and teach myself not to do what they did. Whether i win or lose, it's kinda a win for me in that respect. I discover more about myself, and about my prowess the more i fight and compete.

    My other reason to fight is for protection. I am very close to family and friends, and i like to know that they are safe. If that is compromised in any way, at any time, I am the first one to find out why, and to root out the problem. If somebody threatens my family or my friends, i like to be able to protect them. What better way than knowing that i will not lose if i have to fight?

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