The great plastic bowl vs metal bowl debate

topic posted Mon, April 28, 2008 - 11:11 PM by  Snake
So how bad is it really that my kids eat from plastic bowls?
I wash them daily and once a week they go in the dishwasher.
Both my dogs are fairly healthy, sans the teeth and uti issues.

Scarlet & Smokey have been eating and drinking out of plastic bowls since their induction to the house of Turner.

Now that we are finding out about BPS in the nalgene type bottles, im assuming that its the same thing with the plastic bowls.

What about ceramic feeding crocks?

posted by:
Snake
SF Bay Area
  • Re: The great plastic bowl vs metal bowl debate

    Tue, April 29, 2008 - 7:04 AM
    What I've heard is that plastic is bad when you microwave it, that's how the toxins carry over into food. I could be wrong, I often am. ^_^

    For my Siberian though, I have a heavy glass set of bowls for her. Otherwise she moves them across the floor when she eats. They are thick and heavy, and she has never chewed on her food bowls, so I'm not worried.

    When outside though, if she is ever out in a kennel--- also with the sled dogs I work with, we always use stainless steel metal bowls for food, but have to use the plastic-heated water buckets for their water.
  • Re: The great plastic bowl vs metal bowl debate

    Tue, April 29, 2008 - 8:18 AM
    I only use stainless steel. Why bother worrying about it when you know stainless steell is safe, prevents bacteria growth, and is easy to clean.
    • Re: The great plastic bowl vs metal bowl debate

      Tue, April 29, 2008 - 8:43 AM
      This is not a smart ass question, but are there any documented cases about aniamals getting sick from eating or drinking out of plastice? I use metal bowls, but I do store my food in a tote.....just wondering.
      • Re: The great plastic bowl vs metal bowl debate

        Tue, April 29, 2008 - 9:35 AM
        It's not really a "they ate out of plastic and it made them vomit" type of sick. It's that the toxins that leach out of plastics accumulate in the body and can help lead to cancer and other chronic diseases. The other issue with plastic is that it scratches easily and can harbor a lot of bacteria even if you wash it.
        • Re: The great plastic bowl vs metal bowl debate

          Tue, April 29, 2008 - 9:49 AM
          Thaks for clearing that up, I always wondered......
          • Re: The great plastic bowl vs metal bowl debate

            Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:48 AM
            a different opinion on plastic

            Will Drinking from Plastic Bottles Kill You?
            skeptoid.com/episodes/4060
            • Re: The great plastic bowl vs metal bowl debate

              Tue, April 29, 2008 - 12:18 PM
              I apologize ahead of time if the following seems snotty. It's not meant to be, but I just don't write in a way to make people feel all warm and fuzzy (business writing is what I do, not creative writing). Don't read any tone into it, like so many people seem to do.

              Just to point out a couple of things. This blog is just an opinion that doesn't really back up any claims with any real studies that show he is correct. He points out a "study" that was actually a dissertation that was wrong, but he doesn't show any that were correct that back him up. He was also completely unaware that burned PVC is extremely toxic (most burned plastic is toxic actually). Removal of burned playgrounds which almost always contain PVC actually requires Hazmat suits because of the dioxin load present. When it comes down to it, to really know the effects of plastics and their chemicals on the human body, a very long study needs to be done, most likely decades long, with a large pool of people and ensure that the control group avoids plastic, which is a very difficult thing to do. I can see all sorts of ethics problems with this. However, we can already test and see that the body excretes these chemicals or broken down chemicals, so we know that we are ingesting them. The question is what these chemicals are doing to us.

              Also, it's already been shown that #7 plastic, which was considered safe for food/water storage is now not-so-safe which is why Nalgene is phasing it out of their water bottles.

              I used to work with plastics and their production and my mom's a polymer chemist. It's nasty stuff to say the least. In the unfortunate (and not so uncommon) event of an exotherm (plastic when heated can sometimes create it's own rise in temperature causing it to burn/catch on fire) we would have to evacuate our entire building because of it's toxicity. I'll probably die of cancer. =P

              Here are some articles that are backed up by studies:

              www.cbc.ca/consumer/sto...le-study.html
              www.allheadlinenews.com/articl...0688657
              www.sciam.com/article.cfm
              • Re: The great plastic bowl vs metal bowl debate

                Tue, April 29, 2008 - 12:34 PM
                Ms. Purity,
                I like to know the truth, no matter how horrible it is, thanks for sharing your knowledge.

                But what am I going to do, I am addictated to Nalgenes!
                • Re: The great plastic bowl vs metal bowl debate

                  Tue, April 29, 2008 - 1:03 PM
                  I love my nalgene too. But don't despair! They already make some that aren't #7 (just look on the bottom for the number in the triangle) and the ones that were #7 are going to be a different plastic from now on, but who nows how safe any of it is? Or you could use a glass or stainless steel container, though not nearly as convenient. =( While at work I drink filtered tap water out of a glass. I try to limit my plastic bottle/nalgene use to when I'm hiking.
              • Re: The great plastic bowl vs metal bowl debate

                Tue, April 29, 2008 - 1:38 PM
                • Re: The great plastic bowl vs metal bowl debate

                  Tue, April 29, 2008 - 3:02 PM
                  Neither of those links mention antimony leaching into water, which is the current concern with water bottles.

                  My links don't discuss water bottles releasing dioxin, however, PVC does esp. when it's heated up. I was just trying to point out that the blog should be taken with a grain of salt (in reference to the author's comment about setting PVC on fire and not knowing if it's toxic or not). Although, as a side note, PVC has been approved in almost all states to be used in household plumbing. So if you buy or rent a new home, or one where the plumbing has been redone, make sure to ask if PVC was used.

                  The Snopes link does mention bisphenol A, however, the Scientific American article on BPA is more recent and explains the possible debate about exposure rates.

                  Not trying to be an alarmist or anything. I just think it's important that all of us be educated with what we expose ourselves to. For me, it's better safe than sorry...
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                    Re: The great plastic bowl vs metal bowl debate

                    Tue, April 29, 2008 - 5:24 PM
                    .....back to the topic on hand. Acknowledging the potential general toxicity of plastic...another problem with it and one of the main reasons not to use it for a dog dish is because it cannot be cleaned as well as ceramic and stainless steel. Bacteria cannot be completely cleaned from plastic (this is probably why many plastic bottles say not to re-use them) and the build-up of bacteria can cause at the very least acne of which there hundreds of thousands of documented cases.
                    That in itself is enough to discourage me from feeding my dog in plastic dishes.
                    • Re: The great plastic bowl vs metal bowl debate

                      Tue, April 29, 2008 - 6:30 PM
                      One again thistle ... I think youve adressed the biggest threat. I heard dogs tend to scratch the plastic which is why its hard to get the germs off/out. Most dogs dont eat hot food that would increase the leeching process, and most dogs dont let their food sit in the bowl long enuff either. I feed max from ceramic plates and his water is also in a (said) lead free heavy bowl. Mostly tho due to his lil flat face pushing lighter bowls/plates thru the house trying ot eat. Sometimes he wont eat unless its off a towel...... wonder what issue that will bring up..... its lead free cotton....LOL
  • one more thing to add to this discussion.....

    my cat got a skin infection from his plastic food bowl. i don't know if the doggers have the same problem, but the bacteria can transfer from the bowl to the animal's skin, causing rashes and stuff.

    we use stainless steel now.

    evi
    • My boy Winston,Boxer, who is flat faced /nosed like your Pugg got acne when he was younger from plastic and I think he was allergic from the plastic too...

      As a reminder...we do the best for our pets...but they are animals and so often we stress over them a little too much.

      My dogs probably eat better and get more nutrition than I do...

      • I'm getting the impression that most folks are feeding "wet" food, as opposed to dry kibble. (I could be wrong... ) Is dry kibble okay in plastic? (Or at least Tupperware? Actual intended for food storage Tupperware, not just some generic plastic bowl. )
        • No. Many years ago I had a couple cats who only ate dry food. They ate out of plastic dishes and had the most horrible case of acne until I switched to metal bowls.
          • Re: Tupperware vs. generic plastic.

            Sat, June 7, 2008 - 2:53 AM

            Okay, I get that "dry" cat food in plastic can cause acne. I *think* that what is considered "dry" kibble for cats is a bit more moist than dry dog kibble. (I may be wrong. I've never owned a cat. I've only seen the food my friends give their cats. )

            And I still want to know if anyone can definitely say that TUPPERWARE dishes are bad.

            I've used a variety of dishes for my dogs over the years, and never had a problem with any of them. The dishes I've used for them the most have been TUPPERWARE dishes, which were intended for use for human food.
            • Re: Tupperware vs. generic plastic.

              Sat, June 7, 2008 - 4:54 PM
              Tupperware, a plastic, is easily scratched and even in the minute scratches can harbor TONS of bacteria. When preserving food the rule is that you should never reuse plastic containers because it is so difficult to get them completely clean.

              I have cats and dogs and can attest that cat kibble is just as dry as dog kibble. Regardless of how dry it is, it is still not sterile and free of bacteria.
              • Re: Tupperware vs. generic plastic.

                Sun, June 8, 2008 - 10:27 AM
                I did go and get new bowls for my critters after reading this thread. My girls actually seem to really like their new stainless waterbowl. They used to prefer to drink in the kitchen out of a crock but now that they have a nice water bowl in the bathroom, they drink in there. I got new glass bowls for my cats, too. One of them had acne on his chin and it has cleared up completely.

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