insight?

topic posted Thu, April 24, 2008 - 11:56 AM by 
Okay, my apricot standard poodle, Tess, is nine months old (and as I type this she's the main pic for the Tribe. Yay! :-)--). Generally speaking, she's a huge fan of people. She loves dogs more--if there are dogs around, people don't exist--but in lieu of dogs, she's very sociable; likes being petted, must still be discouraged from jumping up. She's also not usually very vocal (unless there's a dog in our front yard, or we're cutting up meat).

However, three or four times now she's reacted badly to random people while we're out and about--barking, even growling a little, and hiding behind me. The people have been of both genders, all ages from kids to the elderly and in between, it's happened at high noon as well as at night. In fact, the only common thread I can see is that she's been leashed all of those times, but then again, except at the dog park, she's *always* leashed when she meets new people. I socialized her extensively from the time she was 12 weeks old, especially with kids (took her to school at pick up time every school day from the time we got her--she is *totally* comfortable with kids), but also with both genders and every possible age range.

My question's twofold, I guess--
Any insight into why this would happen so randomly?
and
How would *you* handle it when it happens?

Thankfully, the people I've met have all been very understanding about it, but I feel as though I ought to correct her, and I do....but at the same time, her reaction seems fear based, somehow, and I don't want to come down on her too hard for expressing anxiety. At this point I've been pretty much staying neutral and ending the interaction fairly quickly (although I don't end it while she's either barking or growling. I don't want her thinking for a moment that that's the *way* to end the interaction, you know? I wait until she's quiet and relatively calm, but I don't drag it out).

It's not a huge deal, but I am curious as to everyone else's take on this.
:-)
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  • Re: insight?

    Thu, April 24, 2008 - 12:23 PM
    If you carry treats with you, you could give the people who want to say hi a way to reward Tess for greeting them. Sounds like she needs to positively associate people approaching her while on leash. Why she's feeling such anxiety could be many reasons, but food/rewards is a way to change how a dog associates things such as walking on leash.
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    Thu, April 24, 2008 - 12:27 PM
    "Issues" start to arise at the 7th to 9th month of their life. I have seen what you are describing and it is a confidence issue (there could also be some breeding issues there too...did you meet or ask about her parents) Anyway... Socializing is one thing making her confident is another. Finding a good trainer and doing regular classes that promote confidence and good behavior will do wonders. Another element is I have expereinced that when you find a great trainer to work with at this age leave them with the trainer for at least a week. This is when they will learn their confidence because you will not be around for them to lean on for that. I use to not believe in this but now that I have done it this way for a while and have seen many "bomb proof" dogs (well adjusted, great behaved, balanced)...I realize how important it is for them to know they are going to be safe and fine even with you not around. When you find a good trainer to work with that can take your dog around this time would be good to board your dog a week with the trainer for training then do this again around 1 year and three months. It was hard on me because I always wanted my dogs with me but it truly has helped with my dogs be balanced beings with confidence that can go anywhere and be good with everyone. Hope this helps!
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      Thu, April 24, 2008 - 12:54 PM
      I am still learning myself and have my own set of issues with my new girl, Kyra.

      But what I have read is to not reinforce the behavior by coddling her. Grab her on the scruff of her neck with a cupped hand, similar to how a mother dog would grab her puppy and make a stern noise or say NO. Often people will get down on their knees to the dog and say ''oh sweetie, it's ok....good girl etc..." and it only reinforces with the dog that growling at strangers is OK.
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        Thu, April 24, 2008 - 2:35 PM
        >>Often people will get down on their knees to the dog and say ''oh sweetie, it's ok....good girl etc..." and it only reinforces with the dog that growling at strangers is OK.<<

        Be aware of your body language. Bending over, hovering over a dog's head and grinning is actually a sign of aggression to dogs (the teeth, the forward lunge). When I meet fearful dogs I will stand sideways to them (perpendicular), and slowly bend my knees and crouch next to them. The dog will feel more comfortable and will look at you, move your direction and greet you (usually). It's worked for me several times.

        Here's an illustration: diamondsintheruff.com/bodylang.html
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      Thu, April 24, 2008 - 2:52 PM
      >>"Issues" start to arise at the 7th to 9th month of their life. I have seen what you are describing and it is a confidence issue (there could also be some breeding issues there too...did you meet or ask about her parents) Anyway... Socializing is one thing making her confident is another.<<

      Yes! I didn't even read the part about her dog's age - great observation. Your dog (like your own development in life!) will wax and wane due to hormonal maturation, which affects how sensitive you are to things, how your react to things, and your confidence. If certain things happen at a specific age it may or may not continue to affect them for the rest of their lives, that's why it's so important to be as consistent with reinforcement as possible.

      Info on fear imprint stage (aka adolescence): diamondsintheruff.com/fearimprint.html
      Development stages: diamondsintheruff.com/Develop...ges.html
      • Re: insight?

        Thu, April 24, 2008 - 4:04 PM
        Thanks to everyone--I appreciate the time spent answering. :-)

        Tess is an extremely confident dog, and extremely sociable, generally speaking. We're talking about roughly four weird, isolated experiences with individuals that have occurred over the course of her entire life, not bounded by any one age range; moreover, she met a couple this morning and reacted negatively towards them, and met another ten people this afternoon and greeted them with absolutely no show of fear or reluctance. I feel pretty certain that this isn't any kind of stage or generalized problem; just a weird anomaly--hence my curiosity. I just wondered if anyone else had experienced this phenomena.....

        Thanks again for all the info!
        :-)
        • Re: insight?

          Thu, April 24, 2008 - 4:07 PM
          My dad's dog would greet everyone he met except homeless people. Dogs have their own reason for being attracted to people so something you just never know why.
  • Re: insight?

    Thu, April 24, 2008 - 4:21 PM
    my dogs act like buttheads when ever there is a full moon.
    Also the energy in our local dog park is more palpable as well as there is an increase in agressive behavior.
    • Re: insight?

      Thu, April 24, 2008 - 6:23 PM
      Probably the easiest way to help this would be to distract Tess any time she has an adverse reaction to someone. If she start to bristle at a person, just call her attention to you, keep really irresistible treats with you and keep her focus completely while you walk past the "unsavory character" quietly and at a slightly faster pace...not too much faster, just a bit. The only noises to make are happy, "wanna treat?", "whoosa doggie" type chatty voice to keep her focused on you instead of the person who frightened her.
      Dogs have such an amazing sense of smell. There is probably something she smells off the person which triggers a fear response in her. It could be anything from a certain type of cologne, to some sort of health problem....or it could be their uncanny ability to read people. I had a cat once who loved everyone except heavy drinkers. One of my doggie clients hated one of my old boyfriends (this dog loved everybody!)...I should've listened to that dog...he was right!

      Tess is going through her teenage stage and is establishing what is scary and what is not, and what would be the best way to react to those fears. It's not really a matter of punishing her for exhibiting fear...it's more how to train her how to deal with whatever fears she may have and how to react to them. Remember that your dog reflects your actions and reactions. If you yell and act violently towards her, she will think that the way to react to something scary is to make noise and act violently. If she is distracted, and learns to just quickly and quietly walk past something that scares her, then that kind of behavior will be ingrained in her for the rest of her life.

      No one can expect their dog never to be afraid of things, but they can learn to deal with fear in non-violent ways.
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        Thu, April 24, 2008 - 7:11 PM
        I had read that border collies had a terrible teen age stage and suzy met it text book. She ignored everything that she had been taught and we had to reestablish pecking order. Only lasted like 2 months though.
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        Thu, April 24, 2008 - 9:11 PM
        Thistle, that was extremely helpful--thank you. I too wondered about the smell connection (it being the only thing I could imagine might be setting her off).
        Tess attracts a lot of attention, both for being something of an unusual breed in our area, and an unusual color for her breed; people want to approach her, and thankfully she's usually okay with that. Thanks for reminding me that it's okay to smile and keep moving. :-)

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