how to die?

topic posted Sat, May 10, 2008 - 11:36 PM by  Zip
my friends dog is nearing the end. she barely eats. she isn't getting around too much.

my friend has made appointments twice to eutanize and twice not gone.

i told her i will go with her on moday to put her girl down.

does anyone have experience with letting a dog die without putting them down? how does one let their dog die?
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  • Re: how to die?

    Sun, May 11, 2008 - 12:03 AM
    Here is a website that should be helpful:

    spiritsintransition.com/

    I went to a workshop by them and it was very powerful and educational.

    We are not exposed to natural death much anymore, so it can be frightening. We feel so unsure and worry that the animal is suffering.

    It's normal for appetite to go near death - the body doesn't need food anymore, it is preparing to shut down. Dogs can go many days without food before death, and it's good to honor their wishes on this as to whether they eat or not, and how much. Always have water available to them as they may continue to want it well after they start eating.

    It's important to watch and respect their needs, and understand that death is a process, the body isn't needed anymore so it starts to give way. Try not to panic (very hard not too!), and try to just offer gentle comfort and support, follow the lead of the animal.

    Hope this brief response is a little helpful. Encourage your friend to contact the folks at Spirits in Transition.
    Take care, Margarat
    • Re: how to die?

      Sun, May 11, 2008 - 10:15 AM
      When I had to have my dog euthanized, it was done at home. Ashley had a very bad heart and her blood pressure was so low that she wasn't getting enough blood to her brain and she was having grand mal seizures which was causing brain damage. I felt it was easier on her and me if we hastened the process of her departure through euthanasia.
      My vet came over and gave her the injections. Soft music was playing, and she was very comfortable on her little bed when we said "goodbye". It's never easy to loose a pet, but if ever I have to make that decision again, it will be done at home.
  • Re: how to die?

    Sun, May 11, 2008 - 4:33 PM
    My friend let her cat die at home and she said she could never do that again. He was in agony when he passed on. Which made her feel awful.

    A lot of times vets will make house calls for home euthanasia. I would ask the vet.

    Im glad that you will be there. You need to be strong for your friend.

  • Re: how to die?

    Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:56 AM
    I also recommend at-home euthanasia. It sounds like your friend's dog is ready to go on to the next life and would probably appreciate an end to her suffering.

    I put my dog down in January. She wasn't in agony, but she was tired, unable to use her hind legs and was basically unable to do any of the things that used to make her happy. I still struggle with my conscience sometimes, but overall I believe I did the right thing. A very compassionate vet came to my house where Cookie could be as comfortable as possible, and my other animals got to say goodbye. I would definitely do it at home if/when I have to make the choice again.
  • Re: how to die?

    Mon, May 12, 2008 - 11:27 AM
    This woman I work with recently had one of her dogs die. He had been in pain and uncomfortable for awhile. He had an enlarged heart and it made him have seizures and not be able to breathe very well. She struggled for a long time with the decision of whether or not to put him down. On the one hand, a lot of the time he was suffering, but on the other hand, there were times when he seemed like his old self and was fine. So she really couldn't decide what to do. She asked me and another girl in our office what to do and we gave two opposite responses.

    Anyway, eventually the dog died on its own. Although I was very sorry to hear that he died, I was also glad that she didn't have to make the decision to put him down because I knew it was/would be really hard on her.

    My point is that I think dogs know when it is time for them to go. She should really try to figure out what her dog is trying to communicate. If he is no longer eating, that could be a sign that it's time for him to go on to doggy heaven where he won't be suffering anymore, and she maybe should help him along. On the other hand, if there are times when he seems like he could still live and be happy for awhile longer, then maybe it's not time.

    It's a hard decision. So far I have not personally had to make such a decision and I dread the day that I do have to (in the meantime, I'll keep believing that my dogs are immortal). But I think if she loves the dog and tries to "listen" to him, so to speak, she'll know the right thing to do.

    And I agree with everyone else about the at-home euthanasia. I would hate for my doggy to be brought into a cold, medical room when she or he is about to die. I think it's much better for the dog to be in a familiar place surrounded by those who love him.
    • Re: how to die?

      Mon, May 12, 2008 - 3:24 PM
      Ugh..

      This mere topic makes me nervous and my throat dry.

      I dread the day I have to make this decision with Winston or Kyra. Winston is almost 10 and when the time comes
      I am going to be a train wreck.
      • Re: how to die?

        Tue, May 13, 2008 - 8:48 AM
        >This mere topic makes me nervous and my throat dry. <

        I'm with you. Tess isn't quite ten months old yet, and she's my first dog; the topic makes me tear up every time.
        Dogs don't live long enough.
        :-(
  • Re: how to die?

    Mon, May 12, 2008 - 3:53 PM
    I've had to have several pets put down, and with all of them, it's been clear that it's the kindest thing to do at the time- I've felt bad that they were dead, but never did I feel regrets at having made that decision, and if you have to die, it's really gentle and I wish I could get the same treatment. But all of them had been suffering from one disease or other, and it was always a definite point in the course of the disease when it happened.

    My old girl is 17 now, and is mostly deaf, has arthritis, cataracts, and dementia. She is in a slow steady decline, but doesn't appear to be miserable. She likes eating, sleeps a lot, seems to like being petted briefly but not the long ear scratches she used to like, wanders around the house getting stuck in corners like the last shot of Blair Witch because she forgets she can turn around or shift into reverse. It's really hard to figure out whether to do it yet, and I just hope there's a clear point for me to know. When the time comes, I think I'm going to opt for a house call, although my vet has a nice room off to the side of the practice that's like a little living room where you can sit with the animal and they can just do it while it's in your lap- that's what he did with my last cat- it wasn't cold or traumatic at all. But she was already in the hospital, so there wasn't the scary car trip or waiting room to deal with.
    • Re: how to die?

      Mon, May 12, 2008 - 5:37 PM
      i really appreciate the responses!

      her dog is eating again, but still she is wasting away. she can get around a bit. and she wags her tail alot when i go over with my dog. my friend is definitely having time to process and let go. at first it was super stressful, but it seems to be a bit easier for them both. her dog has such a peace about her - she is wasting away - but the loving nature is so powerful.
      • Re: how to die?

        Mon, May 12, 2008 - 7:49 PM
        my parents and friends have put many animals down. And I am dreading the day that I will have to do the same.

        The best advice they have all said is that your animal will tell you when its time for them to move on. Whether its a look or a movement or a sound. You just know its time.

        My good friend put her cat down last year and she said the same thing, he looked up at her and she knew that it was time.



        • Re: how to die?

          Tue, May 13, 2008 - 8:23 AM
          Sampson told me....I was so worried I would wait to long and he would suffer. But early one evening, he went to my room to go to bed-he never did that- and just laid down. I knew it was time. I stayed awake all night, gave him extra pain meds (he had bone cancer) and just laid beside him until I called the vet at 7:30am, he actually gave me his cell phone. That was 4 years ago and it still makes my cry.....it is one of the hardest things I have ever had to do, he was only 6.
        • Re: how to die?

          Tue, May 13, 2008 - 9:16 AM
          Yes, I agree. With the two pets I've put down they both let me know it was time. I've never regretted putting them down, but I was very sad to let them go. But that is life. The pain I feel by losing them is well worth the joy and love they gave me during life.
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      Re: how to die?

      Wed, May 14, 2008 - 5:48 PM
      Marg...how is your girl doing? I am in the same situation..only my girl is 13 1/2....she still has a great appetite..but that's about it...she is almost blind in one eye, pants all the time, has severe arthritis in her spine and legs, some days doesn't want to get off her bed. Sometimes pees in the house and walks into walls, picks up chairs in kitchen on her back and carries them around..cuz I guess she can't see well. It was my feeling that I would give up when she lost her appetite. Not so far..... What kind of girl is yours? Mine is an English Bulldog...I am so upset...and feeling guilty, as she wolfs down her food! -- Annie
      • Re: how to die?

        Wed, May 14, 2008 - 7:29 PM
        I have to get periodic reality checks with my assistant as to whether I'd be jumping the gun. I'm sure it'll happen some time in the next couple months, but the dog doesn't seem particularly unhappy, and her breathing and appetite are good. She pretty much sleeps all the time except when she's hungry or heads into the living room for a pee and then I have to intercept and take her outside. She's some kind of Terrier mutt, probably some Lhasa Apso. As far gone as she is, she surprises me in some odd ways. Her preferred spot to defecate is on the living room rug, which is a kilim with a lot of fairly intricate patterning, some of it in brown- and she ALWAYS drops the bridge mix precisely on the brown parts of the design, making it completely invisible unless you step on it.
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          Re: how to die?

          Thu, May 15, 2008 - 11:27 AM
          Ah yes - the brown spots on the kelim rug are the danger zones in my lounge too.
          • a good death - xoxo

            Mon, May 19, 2008 - 9:31 AM
            My friends dog died last night, naturally and peacefully, at home. I am so proud of her. It really gave her and her dog a chance to go through a process of letting go.

            Initially the dog, Sierra, seemed like she was on her last day. I ran around with my friend from vet to vet getting tests and deciding if an operation to remove Sierra's spleen would be helpful. My friend was able to realize that in her 12 year old dog - it was time to let nature take its course.

            In the past month, since this decision, she was giving Sierra steroid shots and taking her for acupuncture. These relieved her condition as much as possible.

            Each day though she has been wasting away. Not in a sad way. In a way of acceptance. And at some point my friend was able to realize that she wasn't going to get better.

            Sierra did eat until the end, and even wagged her tail for good food. she was able to get up and greet you. most she lay still and slept.

            I think my friend was lucky - and that sierra had a good death - at home - in her momma's arms.

            peace y'all.
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              Re: a good death - xoxo

              Mon, May 19, 2008 - 12:03 PM
              Thanks for the update. Your friend must be feeling bereft - hard to lose doggy friends - but yes, it was a good death. I will keep this post in mind as my old boy's snout gets whiter and his joints get stiffer.
              • Re: a good death - xoxo

                Mon, May 19, 2008 - 3:16 PM
                I am sorry for your loss, but glad it went the way you all wanted it to go. My heart goes out to your family, it is a heartbreaking time......

                Blessings

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