why do i keep reading that this is a really hard breed to own...?
and i have a really bad feeling about the local vet and am trying to convince myself that there HAS TO BE ONE good reason NOT to get him fixed (the appointment is tomorrow)
haha
so, i know what you're all gonna say but i figured id ask anyway lol
=)
and i have a really bad feeling about the local vet and am trying to convince myself that there HAS TO BE ONE good reason NOT to get him fixed (the appointment is tomorrow)
haha
so, i know what you're all gonna say but i figured id ask anyway lol
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 12:13 PMo, he was born in november of last year
so he's at that age =(
but he is so well behaved and eager to please, is this like his 'sweet puppy stage' or what?
i also have a four year old spayed rat terrier...
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 1:12 PMWorking dogs like blue heelers are high energy and can become very destructive if not given enough exercise and a "job" to do.
Get him fixed. It will calm him down, keep him from getting out, reduce any aggression he may develop when he fully matures, keep him healthier (dogs that are fixed don't experience certain types of cancer) etc.
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 3:11 PMo i dont know
i just moved far out into the country and its just...i guess.. a country vet
incredibly affordable, which is so amazing for me because i am from a larger city where they charge ridiculous amounts for vet visits.
but it smells rrrrreal bad (and i used to work for a vet office..it smelled, but this place smells a lot worse)
and seems a little dirty and run down, just sort of a sanitation issue i guess.
i know he'll be fine, i just wish i knew how clean they are
=/
i dont want to disrespect the office or the doctor by saying who it is, im sure he runs a good show.
umm, i did just read somewhere that they should be fixed between 9-12 months tho and he is only 5 months.
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i thought i was behind on it. the vet office said 'o yeah its time', but im ahead of schedule?
he is, by the way, just the sweetest dog ive ever met. got him to stop going to the bathroom in the house within the first week! (and he'd lived outside for the first five months!)
got him to STOP nipping. although he goes crzy nipping and playing with the other dog. (she has little puppy tooth marks ...)
he knows he can only bite 'toys'
he comes and sits and stays, knows his name
he stays by my side at all times (my rat terrier is the exact opposite of that, so its a huge relief to have a dog who walks next to me and is chill)
but i can see why reaching sexual maturity changes things behaviorwise
i understand the health risks of not fixing your pet
but he is a pure breed (from an incredible female working dog...)
hrm.
yeah i already know im going to do he and I and any and all neighbor dogs a favor by getting him fixed
but i might wait a few months.lol
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 4:10 PMHere's a great reason to fix your dog - he'll longer! There's less emotional and physical stress on a neutered dog and they (on average) live 3 years longer. Isn't that a great reason to neuter? And your dog will be a forever sweet puppy instead of an overbearing dog in heat. For female dogs it's recommended to fix around 4-6 months and males between 7-9 so it's up to you if you wanna wait. You just want to do it before the first heat cycle. True, your dog is sweet, but if you don't you can end up with a very different dog. Consider this, women act a "normal" way for most of the time, but there's that time of the month they don't. What if that time of the month happened once and then suddenly that's who they are for the rest of their lives. Not good, right? I know it's an extreme example, but hormones are not logical, which is the whole point - it's instinct, not logic. Also, there's plenty of dogs in the world that need good homes, that need love, that are neglected, why add to those numbers? -
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Sun, April 13, 2008 - 4:11 PMHahah - just noticed the typo in the first sentence. *L* he'll *live* longer! Heee.. there... all fixed. Pun intended. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 10:08 AMi agree
yeah i just think i will wait for about two months.
"*L* he'll *live* longer! Heee.. there... all fixed. Pun intended."
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 11:49 AMI had a stinky run down building vet in Arkansas and he was the best vet I ever had! He really cared about the animals and wanted to charge as little as possible so everyone could afford to come to him. so he had no secretary and an outdated records system. Now that I'm in the city, I still drive 6 hours to see him because with all my pets i trust him. I have a vet here. Its nice and updated, but just annual shots are $130 a pop. He does them for $30. Had Suzy spaded there because he charge $50 and kept her for 3 days to make sure she was ok. It would have been $300 here. -
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 5:41 PMyeah, thats true Becky!
i understand, i could nEver have had two dogs with vets like that$$
i was almost like 'haha...wut...no how much is it?" when this new one told me vaccines were only 20 in the office or 10 if i take the 5combo vaccine home (SWEET!) they would never send you home with a vaccine in portland.
<they, of course, do the rabies vacc in the office.>
o AND they give a free vaccine with office visit fee...wow, very cool. In portland the vets will not even answer a question over the phone. you have to bring your pet in, pay 45 dollars!!! to get yr answer, then pay a ridiculous amount for treatment.
i am very grateful =)
my partner took him today and just got the vaccines updated.
his nose has been dry since we got him 2 and a half weeks ago...but the vet didn't say anything about it, they were just there for a quick vaccine and things were busy.
but yeah its really dry, persistently. any thoughts?
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 11:46 AMI agree...I have a working breed... besides fixing him doing consistent positive training ie. give him a job, search a rescue, herding etc...find what his talent is...with someone who knows what they are doing will be the best thing you can do.
People rave about how wonderful Djin is and how they want his breeders number. Have well balanced parents is always a plus. I always say...breeding is part of it but nurture is the other big part of it. Djin and I would not have this great relationship if we did not have the communication we have. He goes everywhere with us and even people who say they are afraid, don't like dogs or have allergies think he is the best mannered dog they have ever met.
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Mon, April 14, 2008 - 5:51 PMhe is soo good, i can tell he will be such a great dog
and even now when he is getting into puppy trouble it is the cutest and most unintentional innocent stuff.
He sure does know how to find the grossest possible dead things and scrounge them tho! haha...makes me want to barf...i know he's probably doing it because he lived outside so much as a puppy. ive never had a boy dog before lol! they are dirty little beasties, but o i love him.
I was also wondering about the home he came from... (the female was a real working dog, very well trained, grounded) the owners of the dogs were very loud and drunk and i guess the dad (the human dad haha) was abusive and wouldn't put up with the puppies so they were just sort of out on their own. The lady who owned them says she gave the pups two sets of the 5 combo vaccines (at home...but the vet gave them the rabies one), but they were living outside! they definitely weren't keeping them inside for the time between vaccines....
i dont know if that seems iffy to any of you, but aren't they supposed to be kept away from things like distemper for not only the time between the first two vaccines, but for like two weeks afterward?
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 6:37 AMYou might want to start a new thread specifically about dry noses and foot pads--it's possible that people who know lots about that aren't reading this thread because they don't know much about blue heelers....
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 7:13 AMI wouldn't worry about dry footpads. My dog's are so rough and dry, and of course one of them loves to touch you with her paws. Not sure about the dry nose though.
Some dogs just love stinky things. My mom's kelpie mix (another australian herding dog) LOVES LOVES LOVES to roll in stinky things. My border collie/shepherd mix also has a penchant for rolling in stinky things. -
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 8:00 AMDRY NOSE and FOOT PADS could be a plethora of things...
For my Boxer - it is from his thyroid illness - hypothyroidism - he is on meds for it.
I put Vitamin E on his nose, works wonders....right out of the gel capsule.
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 1:49 PMCompletely agreed, on all counts. I have a Kelpie (progenitor of the Queensland/blue heeler), and she is the busiest dog I've ever known. If you don't give these dogs jobs, they will find their own entertainment -- and you may not like it. -
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Tue, April 15, 2008 - 2:00 PMA fabulous breed, Tough, loyal and very very busy. Make sure you have a job for it. -
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 2:39 PMfixing ours, did not calm him down! But we were being responsible to make sure he was.
We are getting goats for him to take care of on farm. They need to burn that energy!
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 4:53 PMI personally think the idea that you must "fix" you dog is insane and the argument are full of bad science and lies, I wouldn't suggest it unless you have a very good reason, which I have rarely seen, If you are a responsible owner that can control the dog, it's no problem. Our boy isn't fixed and he has been nothing but wonderful. They won't live longer if you fix them, despite what people would like to claim. The only real reason is if you think you can't handle keeping him from escaping the home or yard, or if you have troubles around other dogs as in them being aggressive to him because he is intact (it's a funny thing that it's usually the "fixed" dogs that are more aggressive in that situation).
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 5:41 PMI fixed my dog to prevent territorial marking. I will not have a dog urinating indoors. I grew up in a house full of intact male and female dogs...my Mom did not believe in spaying or neutering, and she wasn't very good at housebreaking. The males would constantly mark anywhere they could. You could not set a shopping bag on the floor or even within reach of them unless you wanted it covered in pee.....if you left shoes out, or hung a coat off a chair...pee, pee, pee. I believe I was a bit traumatized by the whole thing, and I just can't tolerate even the thought of an animal going to the bathroom indoors.
There are a lot of people out in this world who get dogs they cannot control. My own dog, Pippin was attacked by a doberman just the other day just because her owner could not control her. (He's fine, btw...I managed to swipe him away just before her teeth sank into Pip).
You are in the minority Chris. Not everyone can keep intact animals. It's the same as horses...very few people can safely keep stallions, but the majority of horse people are better off with geldings. No one is trying to force responsible dogs owners from neutering, they're trying to encourage the idiots out there to do the deed. -
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 5:07 AM
Paladin was actually *very aggressive* before he was neutered. He's so much more well behaved now!
Another plus is that Licensing is cheaper.
And bailing him out from Animal Control if he ever gets loose (-again-) will cost less. (He got loose once. Got picked up. Had to pay about $80. to get him out. Lesson learned. )
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Tue, April 29, 2008 - 7:43 PM'Cause, you know, pet overpopulation isn't a good enough reason for spaying and neutering.
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 7:29 AMIt's a shame there isn't a bigger push for spaying and neutering of people cause our overpopulation is the greatest threat our planet faces. -
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 8:06 AMSpeaking as someone who had to doctor-shop at the age of 29 in order to find an OB/GYN willing to perform a tubal ligation on a woman under 35 with no kids ... WORD. -
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 8:12 AMI haven't gone the way of the tubal ligation...yet. Seriously considering it, but even more difficult to find an OB/GYN here that will do it since every hospital in a 20 mile radius is Catholic and refuses to do anything in regards to birth control. Thank god Kaiser mails prescriptions and my fiance doesn't want another kid (has one from previous marriage). -
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 8:22 AMI've just been really careful...I also could not find any doc willing to "spay" me at an early age. I pretty much decided at a very young age (prolly around 11 or so) that I was not going to add to the world's overpopulation by becoming a breeder.
Sometimes it seems that even talking about not procreating is a sin. Then I see that one family on tv being showcased (and prolly sponsored) because they can't seem to stop breeding. They have like 14 kids or something. I think it's disgustingly selfish of them. If they want a big family, why not adopt? -
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 8:32 AM>>Sometimes it seems that even talking about not procreating is a sin.<<
Not in my group of friends! There's only one couple that have kids and well... we don't see them much. Other than that everyone looks at you like your crazy if you mention wanting to birth a child. I guess that's just the world I live in - I feel guilty for considering it, but adoption is so damn expensive!! We're waiting to adopt a dog *crossing fingers* and that's already hard enough!
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 8:48 AMYou should totally join the "childfree by choice" tribe if you aren't already in it. -
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 9:19 AMI could do with an invite too. Seems to be a very strong correlation here between having no kids and being besotted with dogs. Wonder if we're overcompensating for something somewhere along the line ..... -:) -
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 9:22 AMWell, humans are nurturers by nature and if there aren't any babies to be had, then there's gotta be something else to fill that void.
Boy oh boy, has this thread gone off topic! LOL!
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 9:42 AMI think it's that we realize that dogs are much better than kids.
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 9:45 AMApparently Wicked One has it set up to where the members can't invite people in. Shoot! She's cool though, and usually is on every day. Put in a request and I'll let her know to let you guys in. -
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 9:53 PMOMG - I've been away for a couple days and dogzone has become HUMANZONE.... heh heh...
I am all for spaying and neutering - just go to a shelter - reality will tell...they are over-flowing.
BOTH - humans and dog breeders should have to have classes or a certificate before they can have puppies or babies...
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 4:45 AM
I have chosen my child. He just happens to be furry and have 4 legs. ;P
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 5:54 AMHysterectomy for Suzy 6 months years old.
Hysterectomy For BeckyHicks 33 years old!
Had to beg for 4 years to get it though. (mine not suzy's)
I spay and neuter every pet I encounter. I once stole my friend's cat and took it to the vet and payed to have it spayed and she didn't notice till I pointed it out about a year later! I am evil.
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 8:45 AMBefore this gets a little too off topic - but I am amazed at how many women on here have had hysterectomies and at a pretty young age ...
Why would you want one ? In the big scheme, long term, I probably won't have children, but I have NEVER even thought of getting a hysterectomy...I enjoy feeling like a woman, even with the monthly cramps and blahs that we have to go through... I actually think I will
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 9:22 AMHysterectomy =/= tubal ligation. A physician will *not* perform a hysterectomy just for birth control; there have to be other mitigating health issues such as endometriosis and the like. It's a radical surgery that provoke early onset of menopause.
Signed,
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 12:49 PMI had 2 grapefruit size rock hard tumors on my ovaries that tore everything up. I was in constant pain for years after they removed the tumors due to adhesions. Had to remove everything because it was so painful. 4 operations later, i'm still in chronic pain, but the threat of cancer is gone. Sorry to take this off the dog topic though.
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