Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats

topic posted Mon, July 9, 2007 - 10:52 AM by  offlineZip
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this book is amazing - if you are thinking about making your own dog food or supplementing the kibble that you use - this book has so much great information.
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  • No, not really. He doesn't know SQUAT about homeopathy and can actually cause more harm than good. Also, his recipes are up to 40% grain filler and not as balanced as he would have you believe.
    • I HAVE GREAT EXPERIENCES WITH THIS BOOK - I KNOW MANY PEOPLE WHO DO - JULIETTE DE BAIRACLI LEVY RECOMMENDS THIS BOOK IN HER BOOK NATURAL HEALTH FOR CATS AND DOGS (Juliet has 70 years experience as a holistic vet) - AND KARYN SANDERS OF KPFA'S HERBAL HIGHWAY RECOMMENDS THIS BOOK AND UTILIZES HIS HEALTH POWDER RECIPE - KARYN HAS 25 PLUS YEARS EXPERIENCE AS AN HERBALIST AND FEEDING HER ANIMALS RAW

      what's up ms. purity - are you trying to sound nasty? either way - that is how your responses to my posts sound to me. it sucks. i

      as far as pitcirn's book - ms. purity is the first person i have heard complaining about the helpfulness of this book.

      although the homeopathy does suck.
      • It's not personal at all. I simply don't agree with you about leash laws and I've done a lot of research on what Pitcairn's book says. One of my cats died because of him. I've also known several other people who have either lost pets or nearly lost pets because of him. Most of his diets are not "raw" by the way AND they do include TONS of grains. He wants you to add dairy products to many of his recipes, which dogs and cats should NOT eat unless they are in the form of yogurt or kefir. They also have absolutely NO need for vegetable oil or any of the grains. I have his book, and at one time I even used it. I did a lot of research in regards to dog and cat diets after I lost my cat thanks to him and realized that he really doesn't know what he's talking about. If you look at his recipes they aren't much better than the kibble you buy at the store. It doesn't surprise me though, because vets are not trained properly in animal nutrition. They can take an elective class in school that is taught by reps from pet food manufacturers. That's it.

        I think you took my post way too personally. I don't sugar coat anything, but I'm not intentionally mean. There was nothing in my post that was directly insulting you so I don't know where this is really coming from.
      • Oh and BTW, I know a group of about 1000+ people that don't like Dr. Pitcairn's recipes for the same reasons that I've listed. Most people don't bother to do the research and are willing to believe everything he says, and that's why they don't complain. My advice is to ALWAYS do your own research whether it's your pet's health or your own. Never take a vet/doctor's advice at face value. Educate yourself first.
      • I think Ms. Purity just needs to work on stating things in a nicer way. It's fine to have an opinion, even a strong one but you come off kinda mean in your response and it's not the first time. Try being a bit more gentle and perhaps people would listen instead of turning threads into flames.
        • What EXACTLY did I say that was mean?

          And remember, there is no such thing as "tone" when it comes to text. If you think I said something mean then you are assuming my tone.
          • I think it's that you state things like a fact rather then your opinion, and also saying someone doesn't know SQUAT in caps does kind of resonate a tone in text.
            • It is a *fact* that he doesn't know squat about homeopathy (just ask any well trained homeopath) and it's also a *fact* that the majority of his diets are 60% grain (just look at his recipes). Those are not opinions, but facts.

              However, I'm not sure how saying that Dr. Pitcairn doesn't know "SQUAT" is insulting to Zip.
              • correction - 40% grain, not 60% grain
                • i thought it might be personal - and it wasn't - my mistake

                  ms. purity, how did dr. pitcairn kill your cat?

                  there has been so much talk about people learning to make their own pet food and feeding their animals raw meat -

                  this book was a jumping off point for me. i've used it as a resource about nutrients and i have found good ideas.

                  eg. i give my dog raw bones for the calcium, for vitamin b he gets liver, nutritional yeast, molasses, he gets buffered vitamin c for his joints and bones as well as chicken necks.

                  initially i really used the book - soaking oats and making protein powder - but now i don't use the recipes and switch things around. because i am not as careful and because there seem to be some good "boutique" brands - i'll use kibble instead of my own grains so i know he gets a multivitamin.

                  there were things that worked for miles and things that didn't - so i adjusted to fit what he would eat

                  i do use oil too - vitamin e or olive oil

                  and garlic

                  i switch things around too - i have a dog that variety is actually good for - it varies so much with individual breeds

                  my dog gets raw goat milk because i live where there is a goat and it seems great for him. he can digest dairy. my friends dog gets bad diarrhea - so that dog doesn't get any dairy.
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                    <ms. purity, how did dr. pitcairn kill your cat?>
                    His homeopathic and "natural" health prescriptions are dangerous. Unknowingly, I used what he prescribed on my sick cat. She died in two days of his "remedy." I later found out that the remedy he recommended was 100% wrong for the problem my cat had. Also note that he is not formally trained in homeopathy (he's been to a few workshops and has read some books). An example is that he prescribes nosodes after vaccinations. This can actually cause even more pronounced problems after a vaccination.

                    <there has been so much talk about people learning to make their own pet food and feeding their animals raw meat ->

                    The best resource I've found to date on raw feeding is the Yahoo Group "Raw Feeding" It's a wealth of info and they'll answer any questions/concerns you may have.

                    <eg. i give my dog raw bones for the calcium, for vitamin b he gets liver, nutritional yeast, molasses, he gets buffered vitamin c for his joints and bones as well as chicken necks.>

                    Just be aware that too much bone and not enough meat can cause your dog to have painful poohs (constipation). Your dog, ideally should get 10% bone, 10% organs and 80% muscle (tongue and heart are considered muscle, not organ). Liver, if given too often, can cause Vitamin A toxicity, so don't feed more than once per week. Nutritional yeast is great, but there's no reason for molasses. I also give my dogs vitamin C, but you can also try unfiltered Apple Cider vinegar.

                    <i do use oil too - vitamin e or olive oil >

                    I would suggest using fish oil instead of olive oil. It is more complete in it's omega fatty acids. Plus dogs love the taste of it.

                    <and garlic>

                    Don't feed garlic. There is no nutritional reason dogs should eat garlic (it doesn't even help with fleas - an old wives tale), and being from the allium genus it is toxic to them. You can feed a little tiny bit every once in awhile, but keep in mind that they can't metabolize the toxin readily and it builds up in their system.

                    <i switch things around too - i have a dog that variety is actually good for - it varies so much with individual breeds >

                    Variety is awesome for all dogs (and other animals)!!!!!! It makes it more nutritionally complete.

                    <my dog gets raw goat milk because i live where there is a goat and it seems great for him. he can digest dairy. my friends dog gets bad diarrhea - so that dog doesn't get any dairy.>

                    Actually goats milk is much better for them than cow's milk. Plus it's not pumped full of hormones and antibiotics.
                    • wow - thanks. i'll check out the yahoo group. there is also yahoo's SF Raw that is a buyer's club for raw meat for dogs

                      i do a small clove of garlic 4x a week and i thought it was helping with fleas - the toxicity is a heads up. (could be its own thread and probably is)

                      10% raw bones - and they can cause constipation - interesting - i do try and give miles bones with meat on it - because i was told that it could be like chewing gum - getting his stomach ready to digest

                      have you discovered a different source for information about homeopathy (i have homeopathic care for cats and dogs by don hamilton but can't say i have had success with the few remedies but i am hopeful) -

                      do you use herbs as well?

                      the goats milk is nice - makes him seem a bit chubbier all over and he is a skinny dog

                      is variety good for all dogs - some seem to have such sensitive digestive tracts (another topic that could be its own thread)

                      any ways

                      thanks for the discussion
                      • >>i do a small clove of garlic 4x a week and i thought it was helping with fleas - the toxicity is a heads up. (could be its own thread and probably is)<<

                        onion is also toxic for dogs. i have to be very conscious of this because i chop onions and add them to just about everything and my pup is a hoover so i have to pick it up right away before she gets to it. raisins and grapes are also toxic, but at high levels (like chocolate). no neded to freak out if they have 1 or 2, but it should never be more than that, if you can help it.

                        >>10% raw bones - and they can cause constipation - interesting - i do try and give miles bones with meat on it - because i was told that it could be like chewing gum - getting his stomach ready to digest<<

                        on the raw foods group people continually refer to *raw meaty bones* with emphasis on the meaty. and stay away from weight bearing bones - they can be too hard for dog's teeth and they can actually chip a tooth. stick with ribs, backs, necks, etc... i don't feed chicken necks any more because there's too much bone compared to meat.
                      • <10% raw bones - and they can cause constipation - interesting - i do try and give miles bones with meat on it - because i was told that it could be like chewing gum - getting his stomach ready to digest >

                        Yes, they are like chewing gum. They are also great for cleaning teeth. However, don't feed bearing weight bones of large animals to your dog. These are notorious for breaking teeth because they are so dense. Just make sure when you do feed bone to include a lot of meat. And also this is an "over time" average, not something that has to be exact every meal.

                        <have you discovered a different source for information about homeopathy (i have homeopathic care for cats and dogs by don hamilton but can't say i have had success with the few remedies but i am hopeful) ->

                        Check out the Classical Homeopathy Pets on Yahoo. Magda, the group owner, is a classical homeopath and teaches online classes if you really want to get into the nitty gritty. She also recommends books to use, has resource files in the group and does consulting.

                        <do you use herbs as well? >

                        I don't use herbs because many herbs that are good for us are toxic to pets and I just don't want to chance it.

                        <is variety good for all dogs - some seem to have such sensitive digestive tracts (another topic that could be its own thread) >

                        Sensitive stomachs is common because most dogs are fed only one thing for their entire life. For me, I never eat greasy food, so if I do, I get ill. However, if I start eating greasy food all the time, I will no longer have an issue with it. Like people, dogs will become acclimated to new foods as long as it's not an allergen to them. When introducing variety, you want to do it slowly. An example is when introducing raw, you only feed one protein source (normally chicken (or turkey depending on allergies)because it's easily digested and not as rich as beef/lamb/pork, for about a month. Then you can slowly add more variety.

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