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Live Sex Acts in Public

topic posted Wed, December 14, 2005 - 11:43 PM by  Kat
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Hello, I am new to this tribe.

Would any of you folks know if live sex acts are legal anywhere in the US? Someone told me that in Oregon people can now have sex in strip clubs. Is there a resource for info. of this kind? I am a performance artist and in case my act gets racy I want to know my rights. I live in SF, thank god! (But maybe I should move to Oregon?)

love, light, blessings! -Kat
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  • No doubt in my mind, that's a question from Darklady. :)
    • Er, I mean for Darklady....(a definite authority on Portland and sex)

      Come to think of it, aren't there live sex acts allowed at the Power Exchange in San Francisco?

      Or have they toned down the play there?
      • "Come to think of it, aren't there live sex acts allowed at the Power Exchange in San Francisco?"

        Usually, by "live sex acts", people are refering to a stage show with paid performers. In that sense, no, there are not live sex acts at the Power Exchange. PE is a licensed sex club. You go, you pay to get in, you have sex, you play. Or you just watch. But you're watching other attendees, not stage performers.

        I haven't heard anything about it being toned down.
  • I think I can take a crack at it, but only in part. For a while at least I was partner in a talent agency hired by gentleman’s clubs to recruit and manage exotic entertainment in Portland.

    As I interpret it, the deciding factor is if the venue is a private club and do they serve alcohol. The OLCC is the governing body that sets standards for what a dancer can and can't do on stage. The standards are, at least for now, no male female dancers on stage together. Females can touch other females or males but males can not touch anyone. Dancers can not touch each others or their own genitalia (although they do quite frequently). Real or simulated sex is not allowed.

    The thing about Portland is, dancers do get away with violating these rules quite blatantly and frequently. It's up to the club owners to regulate them, because they are the ones that pay the fines and are in danger of loosing their liquor license. However, they also know that the edgier the girls are the better business they do.

    There are only a handful of vice cops her as well. From time to time prostitutes infiltrate clubs whose owners turn a blind eye. Inevitably there is a bust; the club is closed down for a time, opens under new management as a juice bar, where OLCC rules don't apply. Eventually they self regulate to get the liquor license back and the cycle will start over.

    So to answer your question; no it isn't legal but you'll probably get away with it anyhow.
  • Hi Kat, I love sex in public. And I had sex in public several times. I prefer to do in in places where it's not totally legal but where I have a chance to get away with it. But there's also a chance to be kicked out. But this risk is part of the fun. I would not do it in places where there is a chance to get jailed...

    For example, end of October, I have been in Toronto. There was a big annual fetish event "Climax" with a few thousand people. Nudity was not prohibited. Well after a while I was bored, so I decided to get nude (well, I kept my leather-jacket on) and to risk to get kicked out. Being the only nude one turned my totally on, so I was not only nude but also erected most of the time. I danced with a lot of people and had a lot of fun. Many asked me "is this allowed?" and I replied: "Dono, but nobody complained till now". Well I was waring a jacket with a label "Master of cunnilingus". So one lady wanted to check it out. She had a skirt without panties. So, she spread her legs and I ate her pussy. 'Was great, especially with all the people around us watching. Later there was another lady just grabbing my dick all willing me close to her. She lifted her skirt, and moved her string to the side. I pulled on a condom and I penetrated here from behind. Not very long -- she suddenly escaped. But again it was a blast.

    I could continue with many more examples. There are lots of opportunities to have sex in public without really getting into legal problems but having the blast of doing something forbidden....

    Michael
  • I saw a club in New Orleans that advertised sex acts (copulation) between couples. This was several months ago.

    When Senator Dianne Feinstein was mayor of San Francisco dancers at the Mitchell Brothers sex club (the two SF State University film students/brothers who brought porn to American audiences with "Behind the Green Door") would come into the audience and give blow jobs or even copulate on guys' laps, until Dianne got the police to raid the place.

    In SF, it is against the law to have a man and a woman on stage nude and/or having sex, but it's OK for gays and lesbians. The Mitchell Brothers still showcases women eating each other out and impregnating each other with dildos. Actually, the law requires that if you have a man and a woman on stage, one of them has to be clothed.

    In summary: sex between a man and a woman is considered obscene, but gay sex is not.


    Jim.
    • [Actually, the law requires that if you have a man and a woman on stage, one of them has to be clothed.]

      Which state? And how would such a law be applied in a First Amendment context? (Think "Hair.")
      • [Actually, the law requires that if you have a man and a woman on stage, one of them has to be clothed.]

        SF, CA
        • [SF, CA]

          I am curious to hear more. Do you have a code or case citation?
          • The situation is that in a business or club that serves booze, the California ABC controls the club and sets the rules. Nudity is allowed on stage but not in the crowd. There used to lots of strip clubs in North-beach and the dancers would come off the stage nude and mingle with the men in the crowd and then talk them into sex with them for $$$$.

            The ABC made the rule that no nudity is allowed in the crowd in bars and clubs where booze is served. If the ABC officials come in and see nudity in the crowd, the liquor license will be revoked and the bar closed. No bar owner wants that

            PE is "self entertainment" and they don't sell booze. There are San Francisco Dept. of Health rules for sex clubs which must be followed. These rules include condom use, barrier protection, cleaning supplies and such.

            San Francisco is one of the only places which have rules for sex club and have sex clubs at all. Most other cities will shut them down under "moral" laws.

            Phil
          • That's a good point about "Hair". I don't have a code or section, although you might want to search here:

            www.municode.com/Resources/gateway.asp

            (the Police Code which governs the licensing of all sorts of SF activities.)
            • James, you stated that in San Francisco the law requires that if you have a man and a woman on stage, one of them has to be clothed. I asked for a citation to back this up.

              You then link to the San Francisco's Muni. Code (generally) and suggested that I search there (for a code section that I think doesn't exist, but you do).

              I don't have time or inclination to read the entire Muni Code to verify that a law that I don't think exists actually doesn't exist. As you are the one contending such a law does exist, please point me to exact code section.

              Thanks.
              • "The Mitchell Brothers still showcases women . . .impregnating each other with dildos."

                kinky. Is it BYOS or do they get donor fluid from the audience?
                • I doubt they get donor fluid from the audience but if they do i will have to go down to the mitchell bros again, obviously been far too long
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    "There is no sex in the champange room."

                    (Actually, judging from various sources online and the abundance of condoms there, I would say sex in the champange room is a real but expensive posibility.)
                    • I havent seen a strip club in SF that sex isnt a possibility if you are willing to pay for it, Mitchell bros is definitely the most expensive then again they do have the hottest women of the clubs in the city, least the last time I was going to clubs which was a few years ago when I was still married
                      • Generally, the worse the economy is, the more likely people are to do things they don't want to for cash. (See Barbara Ehrienrich's "Nickled & Dimed.") I was lucky to work at Mitchell's at a time when the money for stripping was really good, and the idea of breaking my personal boundaries for cash was actually sort of laughable--the money for non-icky aacts was good enough that it just wasn't necessary. I remember trying to explain it to one customer who just wouldn't stop offering larger and larger sums of money, and wouldn't take "no" for an answer. Basically, "I like myself. Part of liking myself is setting limits. My limit is, no sex with customers. If I break that limit, it doesn't matter whether I broke it for $20 or $1,000 (the amount he had just offered), I won't like myself any more. So no amount of money is worth it." I wish I could say he had a breakthrough, but of course his reply was . . ."What if it was $1,500?" At that point I gave up trying to edumacate him, and walked away (and yes, I'd been happily pocketing his $50 tips while trying to educate him, duh!) Of course, I was young, healthy, and had minimal living expenses. If I'd been a single mom with kids to support, massive credit card debt, and a drug habit, maybe it would have been a lot harder to turn that money down, and my self esteem would have been worth less to me. Also, I had a day job. If the economy had gotten worse, and I'd been laid off from my day job . . . well, these are the economics of sex work. The notion of the sacred whore stripper givin' it up in the champagne room because she's just such a kinky naughty girl is very nice, but not so likely. If you really want to have sex in a strip club, look for the girl who probably has kids to support, a deadbeat boyfriend whose rent she's paying, student loans she can't meet, and a nasty meth habit. Now that's some sexy shit.
  • Hey! This post is a really precious source of information, thanks for creating it. A friend of mine is living in SF and he told me that there are plenty of clubs where you can have sex, so why should you really cross the country for the cookies you can get in the nearest shop? -)
    www.edenfantasys.com/

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