Can Obama really win this thing?

topic posted Wed, May 28, 2008 - 8:05 PM by  kat
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No tricks about this question. We were talking about it during our staff mtg today. Apparently he's all but in for the Dem nominee. Is Hillary really willing to let go of her bulldog-like grip on his testicles?
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    Re: Can Obama really win this thing?

    Wed, May 28, 2008 - 8:26 PM
    He can win the Dem nod, might even win against McCain, but I don't think it's going to be a win He really wants, as much as we don't want to admit, the good Ol' USA isn't ready for a women or other than white male with the exception of Colin Powel or Condie Rice, but those two are smart enough not to go there, at least not yet, of course this is all in my humble opinion
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    Wed, May 28, 2008 - 8:32 PM
    Obama needs 48 more delegates to win

    Hillary needs 246 more delegates to win

    Pretty close race. A shift in the Super delegates could change the whole thing (not that it will happen, but I enjoy surprises.)

    I say she holds on to the bitter end or I lose all respect for her.

    Then they can go after McCain's nuts.
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      Wed, May 28, 2008 - 9:07 PM
      you'll lose respect for hillary if she doesn't say uncle?

      wow. i'll lose respect for her if she hangs on like a rabid dog, refusing to give him her backing, splitting the democrate party to splinters b/c she is so close she can taste it. if things get ugly and mccain wins due to her lack of humility, i will be very very disappointed.
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    Wed, May 28, 2008 - 9:19 PM
    On one side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer,
    Married to a lawyer, running against a lawyer who is married to a bitch
    Who is a lawyer.

    On the other side, you have a war hero married to a good
    Looking woman with big tits who owns a beer distributorship.
    Is there really a contest here?
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      Wed, May 28, 2008 - 10:12 PM
      As long as McCain backs an extended war, I don't see how he can win.
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        Wed, May 28, 2008 - 11:07 PM
        Obama is going to wipe the floor with MCcain.

        Look people can play the race card all they want it doesnt matter. The republican party is in the worst state its been in in decades. The Republicans just lost two seats in the deep south that havent voted for a democrat since Jim Crowe. Do you know what the campaign strategy was in those southern districts? It was to link the democratic candidate to the black Obama and that didnt work in the deep consevative south. Former Speaker of the House Danny Hastert's (under FBI investigation) seat just went to a democrat in one the most conservative districts in Illinois.

        In a 20 page state of the party Former Republican house leader Tom Davis said that "americans hate the republican brand if it were dog food they would take it off the shelf" Republican Congresional committe charman Tom Cole (R) Oklahoma has said that he expects the republicans to lose as many as 25 seats in the house alone.

        Take into acount that the Democrats are reporting that they have 85 million dollars for congresional campaigns and in the same fillings the republicans have reported only 21 million.

        I know you asked about Obama in the Presidential race and I have talked about Congress but trust me these are the bell weather s that indicate how a presidential race is going to do.
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          Wed, May 28, 2008 - 11:40 PM
          Coach, I hope you're right.

          In other news, as for Hillary's bulldog grip on Obama's testicles. I think if she knew what to do with a pair of testicles, Bill would have gotten in a lot less trouble.
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      Re: Can Obama really win this thing?

      Wed, June 11, 2008 - 8:47 AM
      <<On one side, you have a bitch who is a lawyer,
      Married to a lawyer, running against a lawyer who is married to a bitch
      Who is a lawyer.

      On the other side, you have a war hero married to a good
      Looking woman with big tits who owns a beer distributorship.
      Is there really a contest here? >>


      "Fellow POW’s say John McCain Was a Coward and a Traitor in Viet Nam.
      I remember some weeks ago John McCain was having a cow that the NY Times was going to print an article and a battle ensued. No mention was ever made as to why McCain was actually begging and threatening the NY Times over this article. No further mention as been made about this article and I wonder if this bitter fight that took place according to the editor of the NY Times wasn’t because of the information contained in the video’s below.

      John McCain has stood in the way of many a family, loved one and groups from getting our MIA’s and POW’s back. Even though they have more enough proof that there were over a 100 POW’s that were still being held and sent to other country’s. These groups and families point out that John McCain himself is stopping them from getting our fellow countrymen home.

      Why?

      Fellow POW’s are sure the reason is he was a coward and a traitor as a POW in Viet Nam and it would ruin his political career if this were ever to find its way to the main stream media. They have put together eye witness accounts that describe McCain’s traitorous actions during his time as a prisoner in Viet Nam by his fellow prisoners. Former Senators, Governors and political records flat out nail John McCain as a scared little man on the run from a history of lies and deceit"

      polidics.com/ethics/fell...iet-nam.html

      "[John McCain] is fine voting for 600 billion dollars to send these people off, the least we can do is give them a chance at a first-class future when they get home. The taxpayers of America paid for every penny of John McCain’s education — and they paid for every penny of my education. The least we can do is to give these people the chance at a first-class future.”

      www.crooksandliars.com/2008/0...terans/



      hero indeed.
  • Re: Can Obama really win this thing?

    Thu, May 29, 2008 - 3:38 PM
    I would like to think that he could.

    But in this country and what I see in this country, I'm saying the odds aren't in his favor. Despite the miserable state that the Republicans appear to be in, I still think a good majority of the people in this country are still tied to some very conservative ideologies.

    I think according to polls (not that I think they're anywhere near accurate) McCain leads head to head vs Obama. And more supporters of Hillary would rather vote for McCain than Obama if he was the nominee would be the case among Obama supporters if Hillary got the nod.

    And hearing some of the polls from West Virginia and Kentucky about how about 15-20% of the people in exit polls admit that they wouldn't vote for a black man. And that's just the percentage who openly admitted it. (BTW: Interesting to note that those two states are among the states with the lowest percentage of high school graduates)

    Also, I wonder if the Republican party won't try and pull the whole gay marriage thing again. Considering the many states adding a ban on it to their state constitutions and the recent court ruling in California allowing for them. Could be an issue again.
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      Thu, May 29, 2008 - 4:55 PM
      Cameron your fears are exactly why the republicans wont win, So embrtace them. I ve got news for everybody its NOT 2004 and Mccain is running like it is. The economy s a real issue that is efecting peoples lives. The war is a real issue that nearly 80 percent of the country is against and gas prices?? people are selfish and they can see through the bullshit if they need to and this year that bullshit leads right to their wallets.

      As far as west virginia who fucking cares about a bunch backass peckerwoods. Seriously dont fret about the people that are the republican base. Do you really think a good ole boy who openly throws around the N bomb is going to vote for a woman either or any democrat for that matter?
      This is the main thing that has pissed me off about Hillary campaign in these states is that she keeps saying "hard working Americans"(code word;WHITE people) wont vote for Obama. This serves two very ugly purposes 1- it plants the seeds in good people like yourself who worry that the country is still racist in order to create doubt in Obama's campaign. The second is by far the most nefarious what she is doing is sending the message to people who are wondering about voting for a black man that its still OK to not vote for the black man. shes telling people its ok to be racist.

      I HAVE GOOD NEWS obama is leading in votes in both categories delegate and popular you know that that means? people will vote for a black man we know this because plenty of white people all ready have
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        Wed, June 4, 2008 - 9:51 PM
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          Thu, June 5, 2008 - 6:33 AM
          I dont think any of the candidates should be President. But if it's down to McCain or Obama I would rather Obama be Prez. McCain is just a good old boy in bed with the Bush and their criminal terrorist network of buddies that rule the world. Hopefully Obama could be instrumental in putting them away in prison. I highly doubt that would happen but if nothing else I'm pretty damned certain that it would be MUCH more interesting to have Obama as President than it would to have McCain. McCain is an old fucker that just needs to retire and collect his entitlement pension that we pay for with our tax dollars. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Obama will be 1000 times more effective in the world when it comes to "Doing the right thing."
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            Thu, June 5, 2008 - 8:17 AM
            I don't like any of the candidates either. Only Hilary had the kind of stance on health care tha I like (Obama actually doesn't much), but I never really found her style comfortable. If Jimmy Carter would run, I think he would be our best hope. He learned his lesson on foreign policy, and he's the one who forsaw our need to get off foreign oil decades ago. Ok, I guess he'll be my write-in candidate. Done.
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              Thu, June 5, 2008 - 5:34 PM
              Jimmy Carter is a great guy, but he was a weak president and set the Democratic Party Back decades. Health care reform was one the biggest reasons I back Hillary. In generally, I think she had the good in mind for the middle and lower classes. Obama is just not as strong on Health Care.
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                Thu, June 5, 2008 - 5:59 PM
                Jimmy Carter had to deal with all the bonds taken out to pay or the Vietnam war coming due. He doesnt get the credit he deserves because a lot of what happend to the economy then should fall on Johnson and Nixon
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                  Thu, June 5, 2008 - 10:12 PM
                  My economy professor always said you can't really see the effect of presidential policy on the economy until after 4 or 5 years as that's how long it takes for policy to really have an impact. So, you have to give credit or blame to whoever was serving during the previous term.
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                    Sat, June 7, 2008 - 2:10 PM
                    thats why whoever gets elected for this presidency is going to be hung out to dry. Dubya made such a fucking mess of everything, the next pres is going to be mopping shit up for the next four years. poor bastard.
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                      Sat, June 7, 2008 - 2:12 PM
                      Obama has said he will continue investigations onto this administration. Politicaly it would be the smartest move he could make. The People wont forget who put us in this sittuation if they see the perp walks
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                        Sat, June 7, 2008 - 2:17 PM
                        By the way the next time a conservative tells you that the Clinton economy was due to Reaganomics ask them that if thats true than everything good that reagan did was really because of Lyndon Johnson.

                        There are obviously some things you wont see for awhile but those things are largely by design al the interest rate manipulation the Bush administration has uhh administered created an imeadiate effect on the economy designed to hold off the real effects of his economic policies. This economy is being held togethor by a string Im afraid bush is going to pull on is way out.
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    Sat, June 7, 2008 - 2:28 PM
    As a die hard republican, it pains me to say that, yes, Obama will win the presidential eleciton this year. George W. has fucked the nation over long enough, nd the naion will go to the polls nursing the wounds of their fuel bills with a democratic state of mind. And, as politically incorrect is is to say the following, we all know t will come: At some point in his term, someone will attempt to kill him, because some hokum patriot will deem it inexcuseable to have a man of color serve as president of this nation. If Hillary goes in as his running mate, which will be comical after all of the lovely things she has said about him during the past few months, our die-hard american patriot will take her out first, because a man of color is a problem, but a woman in that seat (especially one who cries on national television) is unfathomable.
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      Sat, June 7, 2008 - 2:51 PM
      Its not politicaly incorrect at all, its just kind of dumb. We dont all know that because a lot of us dont live in 1957 anymore. Sure some kook will get to close kind of like John "should of gone to the rang a couple more times" Hinkley but that always happens.

      Sorry if I come off rude Mojo I dont intend this to be a personal attack at all but the logic of the "someone is just going to shoot him" crowd is the logicbigotry straining to keep itself viable.
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        Sun, June 8, 2008 - 4:50 AM
        Coach, I don't find your comment rude at all. Unfortunately, the "logic" of my original statement was dumb...as reflected by the mentality of other people's opinions which I have heard here in the good ole south. Bigotry rears its ugly head here high and proud. It is a redneck mentality.
        Personally, all I want is positive change that helps ALL of the people of this country. However, the general public doesn''t even excercise their right to vote now, as back in 1957. Nor is public opinion a true forum of politics anymore. We (generalized) are a herd of sheep being guided by people who's interests are not of "one nation", but of their own personal gain. The recent "stimulus" checks issued are an excellent example of a government attempting to "save face" with its Nation, a common occurence in politics. I can't imagine anyone who greatly benefited from those checks to the point that it relieved a greater portion of debt incurred over the past few years.
        However, had the government agreed to place a mandatory price freeze on gas, the "across the board" increases on all of other other common basic necessities would not have sky rocketed and maybe we would still be capable of feeding our families and paying our bills. Borrowing money from another country to replenish the pockets of our own nation when we have enough fuel in reserve to keep this nation running for several years doesn't strike me as a government acting on behalf of its own people.
        When the housing market plummets and the percentages of foreclosures and unemployment rises this rapidly, there's a HUGE problem, and it is the government overall, not one particular political party.
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          Sun, June 8, 2008 - 5:00 AM
          Oh yes...one more thing. As for Hillary's conceding - lovely a speech as it was, there is another example of a politician saving face so that the next battle can be fought. She has placed Obama in the position of the difficult task of winning over all of the women voters....hmmm...a self-indulgent politician would probably select Hillary as a running mate....that would be a whopper of a winning strategy. A SMART politican would recognize what she is doing and choose a running mate worthy of the position.
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            Sun, June 8, 2008 - 8:50 AM
            I picked Clinton over Obama,but now the tides turned,he'd be smart to choose her as a running mate.Something tells me that if he does win things will be worse than ever.Simply because you can't change how people feel,he'll get blamed for any little thing that failed to meet expectations,not saying she wouldn't have,but he doesn't seem to have the experience and backbone that she had to develop.Which is why I chose her,her being a woman is only secondary.I wonder if there was too much pressure from those threatened by that? Especially other countries and nations that wouldn't give her the time of day like they would a man? Look at Margret Thatcher, no one messed with her.Hillary seems to have those simular quialites,and some people hate her for it.Like they put her down for being emotional...give me a break.She's human.Any idiot can pick at a weakness,she got this far despite it and more power to her for doing it.
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              Sun, June 8, 2008 - 10:07 AM
              She'll probably be Vice President then set him up to be assassinated then become President by default. She's ambitious and I wouldnt put it past her. Then she could choose whatever lapdog she wanted to be her Vice Prez.
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                Sun, June 8, 2008 - 10:41 AM
                I think for him to pick her after her campaigns claims that she has earned it (which is untrue he won so he earned the right to choose) would show weakness. My guess is that he will pick a hillary surrogate like gen. wesley clark but what the hell do I know

                Mr M actually she wouldnt be able to just pick anyone she wanted. She would nominate her choice but they would have to go through the same confirmation process in the house and senate that a supreme court candidate, secretary of defense or Attorney Genral has to go through. Also I think but am not toaly sure but I believe that it would require same 2/3 rattification that any treaty requires

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