Why the vengeance?

topic posted Wed, June 24, 2009 - 2:45 PM by  Shells
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Why when someone is told that we just want to keep it as a friendship basis relationship and take it no further, they get pissed off and treat you like shit...with a vengeance to make YOU hurt FOR it when you haven't done a damn thing?
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Shells
Ohio
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  • Re: Why the vengeance?

    Wed, June 24, 2009 - 3:44 PM
    Masturbatory Unit 1100
    • Re: Why the vengeance?

      Wed, June 24, 2009 - 4:38 PM
      You know what I have no idea why. I have had two girls who appeard to have the biggest crushes on me but I just wasnt into them that way. I was totaly honest and I didnt even try and work in the free sex thing. Once I was going through a break up and just really didnt wantr to be involved with anyone and the other time I liked her as a friensd but nothing more.

      Both of these girls hated my guts after this. to this day when I see them they give me the evil eye. I swear to god I didnt do anything wrong. I did wha girls have always said they wanted from a guy I was totaly honest and totaly not a dick about it either.

      I have been on their end of that deal myself but I never resented anyone for not being into me if theres no magic there just aint no magic its not anyones fault
  • Re: Why the vengeance?

    Wed, June 24, 2009 - 4:56 PM
    Because people inevitably project into the future when they meet someone they are attracted to. And even though you might not have gotten very far in the relationship, they have... in their head. And it is shocking to them that things don't turn out the way they imagined.

    I used to tell a joke in my stand up act about having such a good imagination that when I see a guy across the room by the time he has come over and asked for my phone number I am already breaking up with him and angry about the separation of property. It makes it hard to date...
    • Re: Why the vengeance?

      Wed, June 24, 2009 - 5:26 PM
      Yes, it almost makes me want to prompt questions from the very start.

      Are you in this for sex?

      Do you think being more than friends is in your mind?

      Do you jump FAST?

      Will you kill me in any way possible even if not physical?

      Do I have to repeat myself to you forever and a day when I'm trying to make a point?

      Can you relax?
      • Re: Why the vengeance?

        Wed, June 24, 2009 - 5:27 PM
        Isn't a friendship more valuable than anything else?
        • Re: Why the vengeance?

          Wed, June 24, 2009 - 6:46 PM
          I think if someone treats you like that then theyre not your friend. I'd just cut them out totally. Or severely limit interaction with them. If they actually give a damn enough to inquire then just be honest and tell them how you feel. If they dont understand and give you more negativity just tell them to go fuck themselves and find someone else to manipulate. That youre not their puppet. Fuck'em. I know it sucks when you like the person though. But if theyre toxic what you wish could be a good friendship is probably never going to happen. Life is too short to waste time with some people. If you arent fairly certain that you both truly love each other as friends and people then just let them go. Forget about them. Pretend they are lost souls just wandering around aimlessly. Allow yourself to be sad about it for a few hours or a day or whatever. Then just move on. There are plenty of good people in the world. Just keep in mind that none of us are perfect too. I have to remind myself to keep my own unrealistic expectations of others in check. But for the most part my expectations arent unrealistic. Just think the worst of everyone and when they prove you wrong enjoy the pleasant surprise. lol
        • Unsu...
           

          Re: Why the vengeance?

          Thu, June 25, 2009 - 10:39 AM
          IMHO, I would say drop the person completely. If they can't value friendship, and just simply can't be friends, then how could they have success at a relationship? A friendship is more valuable than anything else, as you have to have a friendship before any relationship...
        • Re: Why the vengeance?

          Thu, June 25, 2009 - 10:58 AM
          Shells baby you asked the answer.... friendships are so much more precious than a relationship and like is worth more than love. When you're in it for love and its mutual it is sweet and it is beautiful...but a friendship is irreplaceable. You can say more... do more with a friend, forgive a friend, fight and make up with a friend.... but a lover scorned... mm mm mm... is the wretchedest wickedest being.
  • Re: Why the vengeance?

    Wed, June 24, 2009 - 7:47 PM
    Rejection is really hard to deal with and that's what it feels like for that person. Rejection throws some people back in time to the age of four and then they act like four year olds all the time with you because they are stuck there and can't move past it like a mature grown up.

    The only good thing about the situation is that they aren't saying, "Oh, okay, that's cool" and then still being pushy. Like when every time you see them and they throw their arms wide and try to hug you like friends might do, or say "Aw, you look like you need a hug" or they put their hand in the air and say "You're so cool! High five!" in a desperate attempt to get physical contact. That's really fucking creepy...

    At least if they are being a total asshole you know where you are and it might actually be easier to deal with than trying to be friendly.
    It's a shame that the human race can be so disappointing sometimes when it comes to the simplest things.
  • Re: Why the vengeance?

    Wed, June 24, 2009 - 9:18 PM
    << Isn't a friendship more valuable than anything else?>>

    -truer words not spoken frequently.
    • Re: Why the vengeance?

      Wed, June 24, 2009 - 10:32 PM
      <<"You're so cool! High five!" in a desperate attempt to get physical contact. That's really fucking creepy... >>

      That line made me laugh, I was picturing you on an awkward date with a total Larry David type but creepier

      Seriously Anita, has someone done that to you before?
      • Re: Why the vengeance?

        Wed, June 24, 2009 - 10:41 PM
        I've had women do it to me on several occasions. I did it to a straight guy at work after my heart surgery years ago. Not intentionally. When I saw him I kind of jokingly put my arms out like I wanted to hug him and said his name. I had been gone from work for 3 or 4 months. So he opens his arms and gives me a big long hug. I had had a crush on this man for years. I said "It feels good doesnt it?" He said "Yes indeed it does Marvin. We've missed you so much around here. It's good to have you back." Then I jokingly said "You want to give me a big French kiss now?" He said "Don't press your luck buddy." Then I said "How bouts another hug?" lol And he said "Okay for sure man." Then afterward I told him "You are so gay. You totally love me." lol Then we just laughed our asses off.
      • Re: Why the vengeance?

        Thu, June 25, 2009 - 12:44 PM
        Yup, and I think it's funny too. Ha ha ha! My neighbor, the poor guy, he had a thing for me and it was always, "Hey! We're both doing laundry! You rock! High five!" and then he'd overwhelm and go in for a hug... ACK!

        I solved the problem by giving him all my Byron Katie books and casually mentioning that the human touch burns my skin like acid. :)

        In spite of my misanthropic nature, I really feel for people, I really do. I know what it's like to feel lonely or sad or all messed up. Who doesn't? But the casual touching thing is really weird to me. I especially hate it with stupid hippie types who are like, "Oh, it's so nice to meet you!" and then they want to hug. What the hell? I always cringe in France when I meet people and we have to do the bisous on both cheeks, even though it's just a ritual like shaking hands.

        BARF! Or as you say in french, BERK!
        • Re: Why the vengeance?

          Thu, June 25, 2009 - 11:04 PM
          You can get some gnarly facial tattoos,
          and wear all spikes, chains and leather...
          should reduce the propensity people might have for hugging you.
          -Don't forget the nose ring.


          ;)
          • Re: Why the vengeance?

            Fri, June 26, 2009 - 6:47 AM
            Or apparently you can just tell someone you do drugs occasionally and drink and they want to never talk to you again and will supposedly send you a check for your nonrefundable airline ticket you purchased to go see them because they were supposedly so into you. I guess it was okay for him to tell me there was a marijuana dispensary right across the street from his house. But not okay for me to say "Oh good. I want to pop in there and check it out and get a brownie."

            Signed
            Completely fucked in the head now!

            But I dont want vengeance. Just a man that has a set. 58 y/o and fucking with people like this. Unbelievable.
            • Re: Why the vengeance?

              Fri, June 26, 2009 - 10:12 PM
              I think you should just go anyway and have a good time. You'll probably meet somebody else and it could be really cool.
              • Re: Why the vengeance?

                Fri, June 26, 2009 - 10:25 PM
                I thought about that actually. Maybe stop by his house and burn it to the ground. lol j/k I am still considering going anyway but will probably cancel. I should go see my ex-man in Palm Springs instead since he has attempted suicide twice in the last month and claims both times were "accidents." You don't accidentally take 30 Adavan.
  • Re: Why the vengeance?

    Fri, June 26, 2009 - 9:41 PM
    Heard from a real live man: Men hate it when asked to be just friends. It's worse than cutting it off altogether.

    I've asked that of my relationships in the past. I also think being friends after the romance didn't work is better than a complete burning of the bridges.
    • Re: Why the vengeance?

      Fri, June 26, 2009 - 9:50 PM
      When a woman says to a man "Let's just be friends" what she's really saying is, "You look gay."
      Hoo Hoo Ho Ho Haaaaaaw!
      • Re: Why the vengeance?

        Fri, June 26, 2009 - 9:59 PM
        When I'm thinking to myself "you look gay" I'm usually thinking that this guy looks hot, too hot for women. Reserved for men only.
        • Re: Why the vengeance?

          Fri, June 26, 2009 - 10:04 PM
          As a homo I usually look at hot men and automatically think they are probably straight and only into women. I think it's funny how many straight men look and act totally gay even though they are married to women and supposedly totally not gay at all. How many str8 men are so effeminate and are apparently oblivious to the fact. Simultaneously funny & sad. I pity the fool that try to eat my cereal.
    • Re: Why the vengeance?

      Fri, June 26, 2009 - 10:00 PM
      I think it's great when people can be friends even though one of you, or both of you possibly initially wanted more.
      • Re: Why the vengeance?

        Sat, June 27, 2009 - 4:19 AM
        Bottom line with him...I told him we have a lot of laughs together as friends, I like that and the thing is, I'm not attracted to you for anything more. NOT ATTRACTED, did he miss those two words. Probably. People tend to overlook what they don't want to hear.

        I've been nothing but honest with him on my intentions from the very beginning. FRIENDS ONLY. Hey, kinda feel that it makes him 'creepy' when he just doesn't get it.
        • Re: Why the vengeance?

          Sat, June 27, 2009 - 7:10 AM
          Shells I think even though people hear you, they are hoping things will change. Maybe he's thinking that with time you will fall for him because he is so into you. After all, alot of long term love relationships start off as just good friendships. It could be seen as a natural thing. It's just his desire. Not really creepy unless he continues after a long time. Like if three months or a year from now he is still trying to hump your leg? Then you can just slap the shit out of him and scream "LOOK MOTHER FUCKER!!! I'M NOT INTERESTED!!!" : )
        • Re: Why the vengeance?

          Sat, June 27, 2009 - 7:20 AM
          You just haven't got to really know him yet. There's not a man in the world any woman can resist once she gets to really know him.
          • Re: Why the vengeance?

            Sat, June 27, 2009 - 9:34 AM
            That reminds me of Sex Lies and Videotape.

            Andie McDowell's character is talking to her therapist and he tells her, "Men fall in love with the women they are attracted to, and women become attracted to the men they love."
            • Re: Why the vengeance?

              Sat, June 27, 2009 - 10:14 AM
              OUCH!
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                Re: Why the vengeance?

                Sun, June 28, 2009 - 9:12 PM
                I heard it this way: Men love what they fnd beautiful, women find beautiful what they love.

                I had an incident like yours,Shells. Completely honest and clear about my feelings. Even helped him find potential dates, talked about who I was loving and missing...we were buds. The whole time we're hanging out together he's nodding his head yes, that he understands we're friends. A bit later I meet someone and it becomes serious, then I get the most graphic emails from this guy describing how he wants me to die and my kids to witness it. WHAT THE HELL??? I'm convinced certain people (women too) simply are incapable of hearing what they don't want to hear.
                • Re: Why the vengeance?

                  Mon, June 29, 2009 - 8:25 PM
                  Did'nt listen and went past the boundaries
                  once, and got told off by her mother.
                  Now, I *LISTEN* *ALL* the time.
                  I don't need to be told twice.
                  Learned alot.

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