Dark Goddess' wrath?

topic posted Fri, April 18, 2008 - 2:10 PM by  ஹૐ adya
The Dark Goddess in Her many forms is often associated with wrath, destruction and the stealth and stamina of a great warrior, among many others. Though it is also the case that this knowledge breads confusion and fear, as this power has been so greatly misunderstood when translated into literal *terms* bound by space and time, coupled with an inability by some humans to grasp a power much larger and greater than itself...


What would you, the practitioner, say to those who may not understand?

How does Her energy translate to the human realm?

Can this power be manifested in our world, in our inner and outer environments, to bring about change and peace in a practical, responsible, and non-violent way?
  • Re: Dark Goddess' wrath?

    Fri, April 18, 2008 - 4:35 PM
    Calling upon the "darker" deities doesn't always mean that we are attempting to do something "dark". I would teach that all deities are actually multi-faceted, both good, "evil", and indifferent. Each deity has 3 sides, all represented by different totems, depending on which side you are attempting to conjur. It is the responsibility of the practitioner to fully understand that which he/she is doing before attempting to manifest the powers of ANY deity without inadvertently evoking the other 2 personalities. Equally important is making sure that the "chain of command" is honored in that, when seeking one favor from one deity, the other associated deities are not ignored. By the way, this is applicable to Germanic Rune witchcraft, which tends to be a tad more complicated in the method of practice. However, I would feel safe in making the assumption that this same concept applies to any practice.
  • Re: Dark Goddess' wrath?

    Sat, April 19, 2008 - 5:43 AM
    Sometimes anger (wrath!) is necessary in order for a person to wake up to the truth. It is an initiating power, sometimes necessary for a person (or a people) to throw off oppression and awaken to the freedom that is their birthright.

    It is only destructive if the anger is held onto past its point of usefullness.
    Then, it is called "chronic anger" and is a crutch instead of a tool.

    Great little book about anger: ___Putting Anger to Work for You!___
    by Joel Schroeder (Author), Ruth Schroeder (Author), Kelly Scanlon (Editor), Rod Hankins (Illustrator)
    • Re: Dark Goddess' wrath?

      Sat, April 19, 2008 - 2:04 PM
      Maggie, that is another important point/term that you brought up....and defining these terms may bring clarity.

      are anger and wrath the same thing?


      • Re: Dark Goddess' wrath?

        Sun, April 20, 2008 - 7:11 PM

        I think of wrath kind of like a forest fire- scorching and burning and killing. The strong heart survives, the impure "die" ,and all sort of new things are able to come alive only because of the fire. The goddess knows there is no permanent death- she knows there is life beyond, the ashes making the future fertile. Intolerance is a kind of noviolent wrath.

        I supppose wrath to me is anger in action- relentless with no second thought. But much worse I think it is at times the complete absense of compassion. I think she is the great protector- of all she births, and that her if her wrath is provoked it is because the protecting needs to be that fierce.


        • Re: Dark Goddess' wrath?

          Mon, April 21, 2008 - 7:33 AM
          Perhaps it's not "absence of compassion" so much as what Carlos Castaneda has called "when the Assemblege Point moves to the place of NO PITY." Also called "ruthlessness."

          I think of Mother Nature and her Earth Quakes.....and tornadoes and hurricanes and tsunami's.........
          • Re: Dark Goddess' wrath?

            Mon, April 21, 2008 - 12:47 PM
            I often think of it as heedlessness -- the energy so wrapped up in itself and its expression that nothing else is real to it -- and sometimes I feel she is approachable (if you get her early enough) when there is a need for protection from this kind of "too strong for the small ones" ferocity, and that you can say, please, take heed here, and get a decrease in the intensity

            Anger to me is like strong wind, it may come in successive beats, in waves, or one long steady succession of blows. But wrath IMO, that's a hurricane. Wrath seems to involve destruction.
  • Re: Dark Goddess' wrath?

    Thu, April 24, 2008 - 12:32 PM
    *What would you, the practitioner, say to those who may not understand? *

    It depends on if they ask me a question about a Goddess who has wrathful qualities. I wouldn't necessarily discuss the necessity and process of wrath, especially divine with the uninitiated, because it usually is always misunderstood by most humans who follow a herd mentality that always focus on positive things, and turn a blind eye to things like death, decay, destruction, disaster, disease, etc. Most people do not want to think of those things.. Which is also why the devotee must sometimes channel wrath against narrow minded views, inner-demons, bad habits, and spiritual impediments when peaceful means have been exhausted.

    *How does Her energy translate to the human realm?*

    The energy that is the wrathful nature of the divine, and it's many faces are manifested in all things that bring about change through wrathful means. I believe that people who are murdered or die in a violent manner, or are subject to nature's fury, etc. Have all had karmic bondage that has required them to experience this to move on. It also applies when someone who has gained power and knows how to use it is excercising divine will. A lot of times people who need to be woken up or pay for something will be sent to a diety or a person with power to provoke their wrath and bring about curses upon themselves that are necessary for growth. When Kali, and Durga and other fierce Goddesses manifest to maintain order and defeat inner-demons as well as demons that threaten other worlds and life forms, when she beheads them or devours them, she is often also liberating them. Most asuras often obtain liberation by provoking the wrath of the divine.

    *Can this power be manifested in our world, in our inner and outer environments, to bring about change and peace in a practical, responsible, and non-violent way? *
    Absolutely. For example, it is a daily occurence for me to have men make lewd and overtly perverse advances toward me in public as many men do on a regular basis in the World, seeing as most women de-value themselves and take such things as a compliment, and because many men in the past couple generations are devoid of respect for women. They quickly reminded by my wrathful nature towards such foolishness that their behavior is unacceptable to any lady, especially one who can be as wrathful and can pierce their ego like I can. A lot of what I say is carefully calculated by reading their predictable demeanors and feeble minds, to hit their ego in such a way that they have nothing to say in return and can only think of the folly of their actions. That's just one example.

    In ancient times (and maybe even now) some people incur the wrath of sages for disturbing their meditation or by greatly offending them out of ignorance. Whatever it is that they are doing that provokes the wrath is usually out of their own self-deluded ego, and out of ignorance, which is almost always quickly shattered when incurring the wrath of a powerful sage, seer, yogi/yogini etc. Another similiar example is someone making fun of or making disrespectful remarks to an old woman... They might just get beaten by a cane, or even cursed if the woman happens to be some type of sorceress or a true yogini (I use this term in the literal sense of a woman who has mastered yoga and is posessed of supernatural powers, not the general modern usage used in the west to desribe a female who jerks and stretches her body). They will soon learn a lesson the hard way through wrath, not to be disrespectful, because you never know who you might be disrespecting.

    There can be many examples made of wrath and how it is used, and excersiced in both the cases of human and divine.

    The general new age and wiccan mentality shuns any sort of mystical wrath and tends to devalue the nature of wrathfullness and the dark side of spirituality. However you can't buy anything with half of a coin, you have to have both sides of the coin. To turn a blind eye to any side of anything is to devalue it, and make it useless. The dark side of nature and the Universe, and our selves makes up 50% of manifested reality. To ignore it or avoid it, is to only be half awake. I fully agree in immersing one's self in all aspects of God and reality, and being in the gray area of all polar opposites found in nature and existence.
    • Re: Dark Goddess' wrath?

      Thu, April 24, 2008 - 1:17 PM
      Oh and how could I forget today's incident of wrath?

      Today at the Bus station there was a group of people talking. One of the people were obviously a male to female transgender/transsexual indiviual. When she left the crowd to get on her bus, I heard a man speaking very loudly and with very negative words about this individual. Then I heard the line that set me off. The man says "Where I come from, we set those people on fire".

      That was it. I flew into an angry wrathful demenor. Let me tell you I got wild. I asked him if he thought it was acceptable to make violent remarks in public about someone based upon their gender. He told me to mind my business. I informed him that I am an advocate of human rights, and if he wants to openly talk about violent acts towards an individual based on anything that makes them an individual then it becomes by business. Not only that but he was african american, and I pointed out the fact that it would be the same if someone was talking about burning people alive based on their skin color. I asked him if he would just sit passively if someone was openly speaking about violent acrs based on prejudice against someone for their skin color. He had nothing but un-intelligable things to say in return, which is what I expected. Words were exchanged and ge got inceasingly more belligerent, until one of the maitenance people called the police. He will think about it next time he wants to speak hatefully about someone in public, is all I have to say. Some people out there actually care.

      Not only do I think the police should have been called to teach him a lesson on ignorance, but I think that he should be reborn over and over as a transgender indiviual until he learns the meaning of respect for others differences. Now that is not in my department to decide... But it's interesting to note that In india, where the third sex is often believed to have mystical powers, the transgender people there curse people like that with being reborn up to 6 lifetimes s a transgender for disrespecting them which is physically signaled by the exposing of their castrated genitals by lifting their saris.

      There's another example of wrath exacted in the human realm. It's not my place to dictate wrath, but in my possible narrow minded view, he should have to suffer as a transsexual in another lifetime, and suffer the consequences of making a mystical transsexual angry. And maybe he already is... It may be suffering, but he will also be burning up karma that he is most likely generating by being hateful to transsexuals and possibly other types of people.
    • Re: Dark Goddess' wrath?

      Fri, April 25, 2008 - 2:07 PM
      >> "The energy that is the wrathful nature of the divine, and it's many faces are manifested in all things that bring about change through wrathful means..."

      yes, that's how I see it too Rasa. since it seems we're on similar spiritual paths, I relate to most of what you're saying...

      the idea of *wrath* is misunderstood by those who take the term literally -- adding to this confusion are religious sources -- that is why I wanted to open a dialogue. for the wrath of my Ishta Devata or Deity is ultimately liberating and freeing because it brings one closer to Godhead.. the ego or identification with *I* ness is what often objects. but to be clear, the term *wrath* takes on another meaning here that leads to human expansiveness through removal of ignorance, aversions, attachments, or whatever stands in the way of Self-realization or Oneness with the Divine. so in this way, wrath = Boon or gift, not punishment as is typically seen in most western orthodox traditions, for the mist that has come between human and creator is removed. for me, that has nothing to do with anger, for anger is a human emotion of a lower form or nature that must be overcome. often, in my tradition, as an offering of self, meaning ego, we not only offer the Deity tangible items like flowers, but our lower senses, which are also seen as an obstacle or aversion to Self-realization..

      anyhow that's been my experience..

      namaste,
      adya
  • Re: Dark Goddess' wrath?

    Thu, April 24, 2008 - 1:31 PM
    A quote from Caroline Casey:

    "The Wrathful Dakinis are the forces of Bioremediation. They metabolize poison. They take the poison of anger and cook it into the tonic of wrath (intelligent anger on behalf of all of creation)."
    • Re: Dark Goddess' wrath?

      Fri, April 25, 2008 - 6:03 AM
      I've performed many a dark curse due to seething anger, and I admit I don't feel remorse for doing so. Sometimes in life, some people just absolutely deserve what they have coming to them, and I will do anything and everything in my power to deliver it a little sooner.
    • Re: Dark Goddess' wrath?

      Fri, April 25, 2008 - 7:21 AM
      Something more about the process of transmutation:

      "Part of our adventure in the transmutation process is bringing meaning and passion back into our lives. There is no way to perform the miracle of transforming illness and toxins without a strong will not only to survive, but to live with passion."

      (from the book ___Medicine for the Earth: How to Transform Personal and Environmental Toxins___ by Sandra Ingerman)

      My path is about working "for the good of ALL, according to free will." PASSION is about Living on the Earth. Put these altogether, and you get a life of the art of Transmutation and Transformation through art and science......combined into Magic! :-D I do not judge another's path. I live in the center of my own power. Dancing!

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