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Hi everybody... I love this Pluto Moon tribe and it seems I could go writing forever ;)
I dont know if some of you have had an obsession with one person, a platonic love, a "plutonic" love.
Ive been obsessed with a man since 1992, and it seems like I met this guy yesterday.
Im new on astrology, so I saw the astral chart of two of us (sinastry) and... we both have a moon pluto opposition!!!
Well, he doesnt love me and our friendship seems to be more than dead... I spent several years without knowing about him, and I thought, "Gosh, if I see him again and hes married, with children, I could work in his house taking care of his children"... ¡damn!
At least I admit this is a terrific obsession... not love. As a writer I have wrote many short stories about him, thats the way I handle my feelings.
Anybody has had an obsession?
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Re: Pluto - Moon equals emotional obsession?
Thu, April 9, 2009 - 5:25 PMI"ve been obsessed with many, MANY women over time. New partners and people I wished were my partner. I've Pluto-Moon conjunct in Virgo opposed by Chiron. -
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Thu, April 9, 2009 - 6:45 PMSuperficially obsessive perhaps more than overtaken (unless the synastry is right)
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Fri, April 24, 2009 - 1:06 PMmoon+pluto definitely spells obsession. my planets are exactly conjunct, both in scorpio, in the 10th.
i tend to obsess with whatever i have my feelings on. that is, career (its a NEED i have to actually become "someone", and i really obsess towards that goal, i cant let many things just go by) and on any potential romantic partner... as soon as that person has inspired my feelings, i become more and more interested, in a kind of eery way (for me). of course i disimulate this through my strong venus energies (1st + conjunct asc + trine jupiter), but still, those feelinsg are there, desires of wanting to know absolutely everything theres to know about that person and share together everything, all the time. -
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Sat, July 11, 2009 - 5:09 AM"I dont know if some of you have had an obsession with one person, a platonic love, a "plutonic" love."
So true. I have Taurus Moon opposite Scorpio Pluto -
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Sat, July 11, 2009 - 9:26 PM"I dont know if some of you have had an obsession with one person, a platonic love, a "plutonic" love."
True. To a degree. I am a life path 7 , am a Uranian number 4 by birth, and I do value my freedom and independance. I have been infatuated with a select few women but circumstances have to be right for there to be anything lasting
I have moon in Cancer square pluto in Libra
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Re: Pluto - Moon equals emotional obsession?
Sat, July 11, 2009 - 11:26 AMAll my experiences in that area have been that way - I'm always mentally obsessing and pining in some way (moon conjunct pluto in the 8th, Venus square Neptune). The obsessive aspect also extends to anything that I develop an interest in, any subject, whatever. I call it being on one of my 'kicks', and basically just wait for it to burn out and run it's course, trying to fight it just makes me agitated, so I go ahead and read the same book over and over or keep reading whatever I can find about a particular subject until I finally get tired of it, that kind of thing. I also have a Mercury-Pluto quintile, so...Yeah.
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Losing my mind
Fri, October 2, 2009 - 9:17 PM"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times..."
Like I wrote at the beginning of this thread, I have a complicated relation with a guy since 1992. I've been related to him (without even see him), for many years.
* I saw him in 2007 after ten years of not knowing about him. Nothing cool happened, not even a kiss, he just broke my heart again.
* In 2008 we didn't see each other, the only "exciting" shit that happened was an astrologer who told me that I have a deep karmic relation with this guy. "Unfinished business", he said, "and this bussiness is not over".
* This year I started to study astrology, in order to understand my emotional "condition" and my obsession. All this year I didn't call him. I almost felt "cured".
BUT.... last sunday HE came to my house. We went to his office and started to kiss for hours. I couldn't understand what was happening. We hugged in silence. I cried but it was so dark he didn't notice. Next day we went again to his office, it was my idea to go there and keep the erotic game going. We didn't have sex, we just enjoyed our bodies (I can't say more).
He has just dissapeared AGAIN. I don't understand why HE contacted me. We love to talk and laugh and really had a good time together. The obsession is back.
Our composite chart, of course, have a Moon Pluto opposition. And a Venus Pluto trine. The composite chart is SO beautiful and full of good aspects between Venus, Jupiter and Sun... even Saturn is blissful.
I hate myself, I hate him. I feel very plutonian right now. I've read about the "demon lover" related to Hades Moon. And I'm losing my mind again.
Thank U for reading this (I know this ain't a therapy group).
I'd be glad if you couls share any thought. I feel damned. -
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Fri, October 2, 2009 - 11:59 PMJolie, I think I know how you feel; I have been there many times. All my life I have been overly dependent on the men I loved. They were by far the most important thing in my life. I spent my days waiting for calls, letters, anything that would show a man was interested in me. My hapiness was totally dependent upon that call or letter. When he called I was over the moon. When I got no call all day or even all week or month or year, I was severely depressed and unable to do anything. I hated myself for this. I knew I was wasting precious time. But it was stronger than me. Until I read a book that said I should develop an interesting life for myself. That was a turning point.
As soon as I got there - interesting life, not much room for a partner .... every guy wanted me. They wanted to have a relationship with me. They called me, courted me, hunted me - until I ended up next to the phone, waiting all day for a call or a letter, and all in vain.
It looks like some sort of a curse. If you really, truly are no longer interested in them, they all want you badly. They'll do anything to get you, have you. And as soon as they feel they "have" you, they no longer want you. Isn't that cruel?
But there's something else behind it, or at least that's what I believe. I feel pluto is teaching you a lesson. I feel pluto wants you to transform your needs and attitudes. Right now, your attitude is passive. Pluto wants you to love yourself more than you love this man. Pluto wants you to grab a hold on yourself (yes, I know that is by far the hardest part) and get yourself a life - like you did so far this year.
It is not easy Jolie. It takes years of two steps forward and one step back. That one step back of course are the times when you fall in love and loose yourself again. As soon as you loose yourself, you will immediately notice the man will loose interest. Because pluto does not want you to merge. He does not support smothering relationships. I feel pluto wants us to be able to love without totally loosing ourselves. Which is not the same as being indifferent. On the contrary. I feel he wants you to be able to love fully and deeply, and yet not loose yourself. That is very hard, so you will stumble and fall, get up, try again, and stumble and fall. But eventually you will get somewhere, over the years.
Right now of course it feels like hell. All you can do is focus on whatever it is YOU like. It's like trying to overcome an addiction. The first steps are by far the hardest. Get yourself a life that is really worth living, and forget about men. Create a base that feels good, where you can always fall back upon whenever a man is dumping you. That is my advice. Plus some love and hugs all the way from europe to mexico.
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Re: Losing my mind
Sat, October 3, 2009 - 1:26 AM
I've got not enough words to thank you. Really!!!!
You are completely right. This year that I forgot about this guy, my life feeled easy flowing, I got a relative success as an underground writer. Creativity was high, I even thought that men were an obstacle for my writing, like you said, waiting for that call, and pissing and moaning about how miserable is the world and stuff.
Every kind of bad thoughts had haunt me since that passionate couple of nights.
I'll do my best, this I can swear to you. Yes, I feel cursed. But, like U said, maybe Pluto is testing me. I'm not supposed to lose my mind again!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!
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Sat, October 3, 2009 - 1:40 AMYou are very welcome, Jolie. BTW, underground writer sounds interesting! And in any way very suitable for a pluto moon ;-)
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Re: Pluto - Moon equals emotional obsession?
Thu, October 22, 2009 - 5:25 PMI don't really become obsessed with people per say - more like an emotion or a MEMORY.
I was IN LOVE... I mean... hardcore with this boy I dated in gradeschool. I mean... he was on my brain everyday for the last 8 years? Yeah. Only recently have I stoopped being in love with him. Not it's just a fondness, a warm spot in my heart. LIke an inactive volcano. I mean, he has his own life now, lives far away, etc. But I would still go out of my way to get a coffee with him. I'm actually pretty angry still that he had to move far away. I would be so so hurt if he ever forgot about me. -
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Thu, October 22, 2009 - 6:22 PMObsessive? Not so much on my end. I kind of hold back and it takes me a long time to ever get to a "love" feeling. Even then I'm very independent and like as not to forget anniversaries, etc. I'm not very sentimental at all. I've never been the type to wonder where they are or what they are doing. I'll like them when they are there and forget them when they aren't. I know. Very un-Plutonian. Where I am Plutonic is that once I do feel love it is very, very deep and can demolish me if it's gone. I've only done that once and it's definitely the best of times and worst of times things. It's a case of I once had everything and then I had everything taken away. VERY Pluto.
On the other hand, the men I attract are completely obsessive to the point where everyone around me notices it. They show up all the time and basically follow me around. They hover. They fall over themselves to do things for me. I stay very cool to them because I am so detached, but it doesn't matter they go on like this for years until something physically separates us. I think it's a cosmic fascination of some sort and not particularly personal. They all seem to be in one week of February so it's very specific to our charts apparently. I've dated some and been extremely close to four (two of which I'd say were soul mates because we have such deep karmic connections), those were very intense relationships that would probably scare most people but I like my relationships Plutonic. For me this has always just been a fact of my life. If other people didn't comment on it so much I'd probably think it was normal.
And all of these guys have had Pluto Moon and Pluto Moon synastry with me. They have also had Pluto conj my Venus or Venus conj my Pluto which creates its own fascination and obsession. Add in Neptune connections and its no wonder we have relationships like this. In the book, The Secret Language of Relationships it says our combination (Libra/Scorpio and Aquarius III) is "Fantasy Needs." It says we can get addicted to each other. Very true.
And Jolie, I think this guy is just as fascinated with you but the intense feelings you arouse in him probably scare the crap out of him. He shows up when he can't stand it any longer then runs the other way in fear. -
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Re: Pluto - Moon equals emotional obsession?
Thu, October 22, 2009 - 8:21 PM
Hello!!!!
Jen, yeah, I guess that's a problem... ¿¡8 years!? You can say 8 years easily but I know it's not that easy.
8 years thinking about someone day by day, like he's part of your mind. I call it "the time issue". An obsession (?), timeless.
Zanne: you've got it. Attracting obsessive men I think it's part of the plutonian fascination.
In my case, I feel that my men are obsessed with me, but not in love.
I kinda amuse them because of my "madness" or something like that, and they don't want to let me go because they dont want me to amuse someone else. But I don't feel loved.
And with the object of my obsession... we have, too, in our composite chart: Pluto opposition Moon, Venus trine Pluto, and ALL kinds of Neptune connections.
We saw each other almost every day, we had incredible sex (I call it "karmic sex"), and it seemed that the month we spent together were like a year for other couples. Very intense. Last monday everything was love and romanticism, today everything is over.
I sent him an SMS cos we had a discussion, he didn't answer.
I thought: "He don't know what to say".
Few hours later he sent an SMS: "I don't know what to say".
That's it. Maybe it's time to move on from the plutonian realm. Maybe I don't want intensity anymore, I want mediocrity, boreness, routine. Just like the normal couples ;)
My best regards to you all!!!!! And thanx very much for your comments.
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Re: Pluto - Moon equals emotional obsession?
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 9:32 AM+++++It's a case of I once had everything and then I had everything taken away. VERY Pluto. +++++
Then Zanne, you must have abused what you had been given. Very Pluto indeed. I plead guilty on that tendency and I generally recognize its effects. But I 'm not sure I won't do it again - I cannot give myself any guarantee. -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 7:07 PMI meant to answser this before but tribe went down. I don't know as we abused it as much as we were just ignorant of what could go wrong. That was something we both knew was fragile and could be snatched away at any time so we were careful with it. The problem was that we got along so well that we didn't challenge each other so we both got more and more extreme. Meaning he was OCD and got more and more that way until he couldn't handle change and I never handled the real world at all and was perfectly content not doing so (see Mars conjunct Neptune for more on that). That blew us apart. I would say we had a karmic lesson to learn and we didn't learn it. We still have to be very careful with it because its a way of living that we definitely like and feels natural to us. And the other one is pretty close to being the same. He handles everything so I don't have to. That way he gets to do what he wants the way he wants and I don't have to pay much attention to this world at all. That would be why the Secret Book of Relationships would call our combinations "Fantasy Needs." You have everything and then you have everything taken away. It's a tough one.
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Re: Pluto - Moon equals emotional obsession?
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 9:34 AMWhat aspect in your chart do you find responsible for attracting obssessiv men? -
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Fri, October 23, 2009 - 9:35 AMobsessive
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Re: Pluto - Moon equals emotional obsession?
Fri, October 23, 2009 - 12:27 PMIn my own chart? I'm not really sure. I'm more sure of what causes it in our synastry charts. In my own chart I guess it would be Pluto conj Venus square Moon. My Moon is right on the cusp of the 8th houses so any aspect with Pluto conj Venus is going to cause some crazy things to happen. Two of them also had crazy aspects with my Moon. One has Moon conj my Moon at 0 degrees and the other has Moon trine my Moon at zero degrees. That's probably why they went further than just straight up obsession.
I also think Pluto/Moon people just attract that kind of craziness and intensity. It's in our natures. We don't want the boring, mundane, normal type of attraction or love. We aren't boring, mundane or normal ourselves. -
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Re: Pluto - Moon equals emotional obsession?
Sat, October 24, 2009 - 10:52 AMYeah, I know.
But I would expect pluto aspects to cause tendencies to obsess especially in the personality of the chart owner, not necessarily to attract obsessive people... One more thing I'm curious about: do you ever obsess over the people who obsess over you?
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 10:53 AMYeah, I know.
But I would expect pluto aspects to cause tendencies to obsess especially in the personality of the chart owner, not necessarily to attract obsessive people... One more thing I'm curious about: do you ever obsess over the people who obsess over you? -
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Sat, October 24, 2009 - 1:56 PMNot in the sense that I think you mean. I'm more of an out of sight, out of mind type. With the two I was closest two it took years for me to even feel love for them and before that I never thought about them much at all. They were always there and so comfortable for me that I didn't push them away. However, the one who has moon conjunct my moon hit a rough patch with me and I left. Now granted this was after 18 years of being together, not a year or two. That was complete hell for me. I don't often get emotionally attached and when I do its very deep, so deep it can't be untwined really. So I guess that could be considered obsessive. On the other hand, I didn't obsess over where he was or what he was doing, it was just that I missed him and our lives were in such a rhythm that I really didn't know how to handle him not being there. He took it even worse than I did. With the other one, I have known him for 13 years and I don't worry about if he's there or not. I have a kind of confidence about whether they will both be there if I need them. With both of them they didn't have that same confidence and definitely acted obsessively.
With the others they are more of an amusing annoyance. I know men do that with me so other than kind of being irritating I don't think about it much. I'd have to live with one a long time or be around him for years in consensual way to get any kind of attachment.
I'm not even obsessive about my brothers or my friends. They all have their own lives, friends and loves and I don't care about that or need all of their attention. I've never been that way. Must be my Libra Sun and Venus in the 11th in Virgo I guess. -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 10:54 AM*** I don't often get emotionally attached and when I do its very deep, so deep it can't be untwined really. So I guess that could be considered obsessive. ****
No, this was exactly the sense I had in mind (not as in obsessively thinking about what one is doing, where one is going, etc.). Are you still attached in a way (even though not actively) to the two you're talking about? -
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Sun, October 25, 2009 - 7:00 PMOf course. We're never really apart. I don't suspect that will ever change. -
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Re: Pluto - Moon equals emotional obsession?
Tue, October 27, 2009 - 11:08 PMOnce I truly love someone, I can never un-love them.
I can go on with my life (and have several times).
But that connection just becomes a part of me that I learn to co exsist with.
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Re: Pluto - Moon equals emotional obsession?
Thu, December 10, 2009 - 2:13 AMZanne wrote: "...Where I am Plutonic is that once I do feel love it is very, very deep and can demolish me if it's gone. I've only done that once and it's definitely the best of times and worst of times things. It's a case of I once had everything and then I had everything taken away. VERY Pluto... "
I couldn't agree more. There was once a time , I thought I was safe from love and the hurt that may ensue. Then it happened and I was thinking "Oh God I can't do without it", and wham that was gone, or more like slipped through my fingers! Over the years, however, I have learned to channel or maybe derive my obsession, towards & from, more constructive things in life and it is maybe because the energies are intentionally tamed that they- Pluto in Libra square the Moon and Mars conjunction in Cancer - draw obsessive people (men and in some cases women who are too strong,flying- off-the-handle types) in my life! I can't blame any of them though 'coz I'm that person myself when I'm set off (which doesn't happen too often these days, though the anguish is there somewhere under the surface - simmering and ready- I hate to report :-) ) -
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Re: Pluto - Moon equals emotional obsession?
Thu, December 10, 2009 - 3:10 AMWherever Pluto touches, it adds a degree of obsession. With the Moon it is partially emotional obsession, but really its a kind of 'neediness' obsession. Pluto moon types, particularly the hard aspects, need emotional security, need to have their needs met and are somehow obsessed by this or have a certain compulsion with regards this and can kind of hold on to it so tightly that they don't realise they've crushed it, and even more so if the Fixed Signs are involved. -
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Thu, December 10, 2009 - 6:10 PMMy Moon is in a Fixed sign but my Pluto is in a Mutable sign. The one I've been with for so long (who took me leaving worse than I did) has both Moon and Pluto in Fixed signs. We both have Pluto Square Moon. We both have Pluto Square Moon with each other as well. And we have Pluto Sextile Mars and Pluto Trine Mars as well. That alone would hold us together if we didn't end up killing each other.
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Thu, December 10, 2009 - 9:47 PMWow, I love this summary Paul...bang on. Speaks to a lot of my personal experience, despite fixed signs not being involved (though I do have a Fixed Cardinal Cross incl. Scorpio rising which I think makes the shoe fit).
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