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Dark Moon Lilith in Sagittarius

topic posted Sat, May 3, 2008 - 11:41 PM by  MaryEllen
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excerpted from DGJay's "Interpreting Lilith" (1981)

Lilith in Sagittarius magnifies the extroverted tendencies in the makeup & prods a fierce independence that is automatically guarded, resulting in fewer close personal ties. There is the adventurousness in the makeup to constantly broaden the horizons, in order to insure the room needed to grow in understanding, or to roam freely, that belies the outer composure. A subsurface exaggerated fear of dependence, is the underlying factor behind an instability, either in the personal area of relationships or in the health, but accounts for the greater stability in the social-universal area of larger interests & career. Independence is a fetish, but kept from outer view, lest it draw the kind of attention that might threaten it. This is noticeable to only a perceptive few. The deep independence needs in the Self, sensed in childhood, are buried in the makeup in order to avoid surfacing them to the attention of elders who would not understand. This becomes quite automatic in the character later on.

The choice of a partner is psychologically prompted toward one with qualities of independence that would then, in effect guarantee this one's ability to come & go as he pleases. Through the partner, is played out what he inwardly relates to but cannot openly admit to for fear of denial or being misunderstood. This in no way implies a lack of devotion, but simply an unusually strong sense of adventure that seeks to continually reach for broader interests, knowledge & fields to travel. Lilith in its fall in Sagittarius, threatens serious weakness in detail perspective, because of the exaggerations of the abstract. What they wish to do can be clouded or lost because of the eagerness for the 'joy of the hunt' so to speak, without an adequate roadmap of experience, unless the rest of the chart balances itadequately enough toward detailed analysis.

There is daring in this person's makeup, psychologically, to keep reaching for the unreached in truth or to be free to travel 'over the next hill' if he wants to, maybe for no other reason than that it is there - as Mt. Everest was to those who were driven to climb it. As knowledge exists, to be picked up by his expansive antenna, there is near reverent interest. Otherwise a change in direction can be immediate - whether it be the career itself or from an area within it.

By sign Lilith describes an obsession that must find satisfaction through the vocation, avocation or at least from a hobby, where its deviations in desire from the norm are infinitely more acceptable because impersonal. In most instances look for it to surface somehow, someway, as part of the vocation & one, I might add, that is a particularly tender area. Attack for anything other than his freedom to deal with abstract things as he pleases; the truth as he sees it; or the chances he chooses to take, may be reasonably accepted. But, on any of these points abrupt retort will quickly follow - much to the amazement of others who see only the surface poise.

If a relationship has exhausted the growth potential for him, the static condition that follows gives him a fenced-in feeling & in one way or another he (or she) will soon separate the self from it. These Lilith sensitive spots explain many seeming odd ego trips that surprisingly surface if outlets are threatened. The overstated don't-fence-me-in-complex will cause this one to shy & buck like a horse being put to the saddle. Many entertainers have Lilith in Sagittarius, where the element of broadcast; promotion; or travel, are available. If this one is in the business world he must have a certain amount of leeway to establish his own routine to come & go as he must, or he will look elsewhere.

In childhood they are not the easiest ones to deal with, as there is defensiveness & inner anxiety about being dependent. Feelings of limitation, or too much forced dependence, may seriously affect the health through Lilith in its fall in Sagittarius. If seriously curbed, the child may become ill, even possibly asthmatic, if the Moon is in the 6th house in stress aspect to Mars & Lilith, or if Lilith is in the 18th degree of Sagittarius afflicted. In Sagittarius Lilith is suspect in sugar imbalances, particularly when in stress aspect to Neptune and/or Jupiter is in the 6th house greatly afflicted.

On the personal mundane level, there are strong anxieties for coping with things of a higher educational nature, university life, ceremonies, distant places or people. When an area is anticipated as being beyond his immediate ability to handle, he or she automatically claims total disinterest. This serves to draw expectations away from the self in this area. He or she may then turn right around & pursue it, giving the appearance of instability or feigning the truth. This is not the intention at all, but one which is in reality a reactive ploy to avoid facing inadequacy here; having his motives misunderstood; or running the risk of denial for a big enough opportunity.

If on the literary level, disseminating the knowledge he's gained to others is a delicious release, accounting for many here writing a "book" on whatever they feel knowledgeable in, no matter the level. They are broadcasters, advertisers or promoters, but need to first discriminate for themselves the data necessary to actualize what they say (or factualize), or run the risk of mediocrity. Their eagerness to publish a work or spread the word quickly risks being premature, or false, if they have gambled on their inexperience, as opposed to seasoning their knowledge with more time for its fuller digestion.

examples:
Jacques Cousteau
Pear Buck
Angela Davis
F. Scott Fitzgerald
John Glenn
Burl Ives
Martin Luther King, Jr.
General Douglass McArthur
Ronald Reagan
The Titanic launching
posted by:
MaryEllen
SF Bay Area
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    what about Pisces? "batting eyelashes"
    • Well first of all, I thought I was Asteroid Lilith in Aries which only proved that I should never try to look at this stuff while on my lunch hour at work! I never get left alone and I end up looking at the wrong damn chart! So now I find out my Asteroid Lilith is in Sag and this is very accurate although it's about Dark Moon Lilith. But I think you said that the differences are small MEM. Here's what I see that is just uncannily accurate.

      "excerpted from DGJay's "Interpreting Lilith" (1981)

      Lilith in Sagittarius magnifies the extroverted tendencies in the makeup & prods a fierce independence that is automatically guarded, resulting in fewer close personal ties. There is the adventurousness in the makeup to constantly broaden the horizons, in order to insure the room needed to grow in understanding, or to roam freely, that belies the outer composure. A subsurface exaggerated fear of dependence, is the underlying factor behind an instability, either in the personal area of relationships or in the health, but accounts for the greater stability in the social-universal area of larger interests & career. Independence is a fetish, but kept from outer view, lest it draw the kind of attention that might threaten it. This is noticeable to only a perceptive few. The deep independence needs in the Self, sensed in childhood, are buried in the makeup in order to avoid surfacing them to the attention of elders who would not understand. This becomes quite automatic in the character later on. "

      Wow. This is so true. I am completely obsessed with not being dependent and always was. I couldn't stand this feeling even as a child before my teens. And I did keep it hidden because it was not acceptable for a girl to be that way in that time and place. So I kept it to myself to get along and pursued it anyway.

      "The choice of a partner is psychologically prompted toward one with qualities of independence that would then, in effect guarantee this one's ability to come & go as he pleases. Through the partner, is played out what he inwardly relates to but cannot openly admit to for fear of denial or being misunderstood. This in no way implies a lack of devotion, but simply an unusually strong sense of adventure that seeks to continually reach for broader interests, knowledge & fields to travel. Lilith in its fall in Sagittarius, threatens serious weakness in detail perspective, because of the exaggerations of the abstract. What they wish to do can be clouded or lost because of the eagerness for the 'joy of the hunt' so to speak, without an adequate roadmap of experience, unless the rest of the chart balances itadequately enough toward detailed analysis. "


      Again, wow. Picking an independent partner because they won't notice how unacceptable you are to everyone else or question your independence. Crazy. This explains the fascination with Aquarians. You can't get more adventurous and independent than they are. And they don't care how unusual you are either!

      "There is daring in this person's makeup, psychologically, to keep reaching for the unreached in truth or to be free to travel 'over the next hill' if he wants to, maybe for no other reason than that it is there - as Mt. Everest was to those who were driven to climb it. As knowledge exists, to be picked up by his expansive antenna, there is near reverent interest. Otherwise a change in direction can be immediate - whether it be the career itself or from an area within it. "

      Exactly. Pursuing expansion of the mind for it's own sake. Going places for the sake of going. The desire to see and know it all before I leave here.

      "By sign Lilith describes an obsession that must find satisfaction through the vocation, avocation or at least from a hobby, where its deviations in desire from the norm are infinitely more acceptable because impersonal. In most instances look for it to surface somehow, someway, as part of the vocation & one, I might add, that is a particularly tender area. Attack for anything other than his freedom to deal with abstract things as he pleases; the truth as he sees it; or the chances he chooses to take, may be reasonably accepted. But, on any of these points abrupt retort will quickly follow - much to the amazement of others who see only the surface poise. "

      Yes. Take away anything but my writing. It's not a career, it's a vocation. I am definitely called to do it. If that's attacked, I will call the person on it and often they are shocked that it means that much to me.

      "If a relationship has exhausted the growth potential for him, the static condition that follows gives him a fenced-in feeling & in one way or another he (or she) will soon separate the self from it. These Lilith sensitive spots explain many seeming odd ego trips that surprisingly surface if outlets are threatened. The overstated don't-fence-me-in-complex will cause this one to shy & buck like a horse being put to the saddle. Many entertainers have Lilith in Sagittarius, where the element of broadcast; promotion; or travel, are available. If this one is in the business world he must have a certain amount of leeway to establish his own routine to come & go as he must, or he will look elsewhere. "

      So true. I have to be able to come and go as I please. And I will dump relationships that hem me in. I'm obsessive about both of these.

      "In childhood they are not the easiest ones to deal with, as there is defensiveness & inner anxiety about being dependent. Feelings of limitation, or too much forced dependence, may seriously affect the health through Lilith in its fall in Sagittarius. If seriously curbed, the child may become ill, even possibly asthmatic, if the Moon is in the 6th house in stress aspect to Mars & Lilith, or if Lilith is in the 18th degree of Sagittarius afflicted. In Sagittarius Lilith is suspect in sugar imbalances, particularly when in stress aspect to Neptune and/or Jupiter is in the 6th house greatly afflicted. "

      Here's that dependence again. I did make myself sick as a child because I couldn't deal with being forced into that situation and the limitations. I was definitely not easy to deal with. I was extremely headstrong and willful.

      "On the personal mundane level, there are strong anxieties for coping with things of a higher educational nature, university life, ceremonies, distant places or people. When an area is anticipated as being beyond his immediate ability to handle, he or she automatically claims total disinterest. This serves to draw expectations away from the self in this area. He or she may then turn right around & pursue it, giving the appearance of instability or feigning the truth. This is not the intention at all, but one which is in reality a reactive ploy to avoid facing inadequacy here; having his motives misunderstood; or running the risk of denial for a big enough opportunity. "

      This is probably the one area where I don't feel it fits. Something else must have aspected here to cause this to be different. I had no ansiety at all over college. I loved it. I also loved to travel and had no anxiety there. Hmm Intersting. I wonder what changes that for me.

      "If on the literary level, disseminating the knowledge he's gained to others is a delicious release, accounting for many here writing a "book" on whatever they feel knowledgeable in, no matter the level. They are broadcasters, advertisers or promoters, but need to first discriminate for themselves the data necessary to actualize what they say (or factualize), or run the risk of mediocrity. Their eagerness to publish a work or spread the word quickly risks being premature, or false, if they have gambled on their inexperience, as opposed to seasoning their knowledge with more time for its fuller digestion. "

      Now this is just crazy. I started out writing for technology because I could just "get it" and translate it for everyone else. It was a gift. It's very relaxing to me. Of course I keep getting pushed out of it and having to push my way back in. Everyone thinks they know so much better how I can do more instead of listening to what I really want to do. Grrr

      So this fits even though it's my Asteroid Lilith. My Dark Moon Lilith is in 4th house Pisces. That's probably a crazy Lilith Placement! Talk about not at home!

      examples:
      Jacques Cousteau
      Pear Buck
      Angela Davis
      F. Scott Fitzgerald
      John Glenn
      Burl Ives
      Martin Luther King, Jr.
      General Douglass McArthur
      Ronald Reagan
      The Titanic launching

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