brief overview of Lilith's placement in the natal chart

topic posted Sun, July 29, 2007 - 11:40 PM by  MaryEllen
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By making peace with and embracing our own darkest emotions, we can integrate ourselves. Lilith is one of the keys in astrology which can help us attain that goal. astrotribe.tribe.net/thread/...eb36e110 Aries - Lilith in Aries is straight-forward about her sexuality and may use it to feel powerful. Applied in a negative manner, there may be temper tantrums or bratty behavior.

Taurus - Lilith in Taurus may hide money or possessions, and there will be a great deal of secrecy regarding finances. This can also indicate miserliness, or a refusal to share one's resources with others.

Gemini - When Lilith hides herself among the twins, she may exhibit a chameleon-like ability to be whoever she must be at the moment, hiding her true thoughts and feelings. If used improperly, the native may be considered "two-faced" or be a vicious gossip.

Cancer - Hidden emotions may come out in ways that affect the physical health. When expressed in ways that are healthy, Lilith's influence here makes the native a powerful parent, or an activist for the protection of children. When negative, there may be chronic or psychomatic illness, or the tendency toward martyrdom.

Leo - Lilith in Leo wants to be admired, but she'll never admit it. In creative expression, she will do things her own way and never feel obliged to explain herself. Taken to extremes, she becomes the prima donna, demanding and unforgiving.

Virgo - Lilith in Virgo will often make the native very secretive or repressed in their sexual expression, and there will be much attention to hygiene and health-related details. When negative, Lilith in Virgo can be very cold and aloof, or extremely critical of the habits of others.

Libra - Lilith in Libra may find herself concerned with the legalistic side of power. She is a defender of women here, supportive of laws that curtail abuse or sexual crimes. Taken to extremes, Lilith in Libra may be vindictive against those she perceives to be offenders, and in relationships may be clinging, jealous or manipulative.

Scorpio - There are some astrologers who believe that Lilith is the co-ruler of Scorpio, along with Pluto. When placed here, she is powerfully sexual, hypnotic, seductive and wise. When under a negative influence, she can become bitter, vengeful or obsessed.

Sagittarius - Lilith in Sagittarius may hide her emotions beneath a facade of humor or a mask of "niceness." She may keep her personal philosophies secret from others, keeping her own counsel. In the negative, this placement can indicate haughtiness, self-righteousness, and prejudice.

Capricorn - Lilith in Capricorn will hardly ever share any emotions, and these natives may seem unapproachable. Achievement and status will be the method employed to feed the hidden need for emotional contact. At its extremes, here is the anal retentive who must control everything.

Aquarius - Lilith in Aquarius will probably mask the hidden emotions with a series of ever-changing kaleidoscopic surface emotions, and will seem fascinating and elusive to others. The native may be chimerical, fluttering like a fairy from one situation to the next. At its worst, Lilith in Aquarius is irresponsible, remote, and refuses to listen to others.

Pisces - Lilith is already secretive, and doubly so in Pisces. This is usually the person who has emotional wounding buried so deeply that they don't even know it themselves. Lilith's placement here may instigate behaviors which even the native finds baffling, and is often associated with passive-aggressive and unconscious behavioral patterns.
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  • Being new here, I may have completely missed something. How do I find Lilith's placement in my natal chart?
    • what is a natal chart??
      • this thread ~
        tribes.tribe.net/darkmoong...0d7b3faf8c

        has all you need to cast your natal chart (astrology birth chart) & find your Lilith placements ~ I will be posting more on interpretations soon.....

        if you are still having difficulty finding Lilith (it's kinda confusing, I know) I'll help, but take a stab at it yourself first!

        love all-ways,
        mem
        • I'm fine gettting all my liliths (thus far) in order.

          What's the difference between them? I mean what difference does it make which one you use?
          I have 3 of 5 within 4 degrees in taurus.
          and then "walde" in libra and "lilit" in capricorn (nothing else in my chart in libra or capricorn! yay! things there!)
          • What's the difference between them?
            ~~~~~~
            only a matter of degree & slightly different mathematical calculations....

            Essentially tantric, Lilith in her several forms transforms subjective to spiritual. Her impresonal energy opens transparent areas of the mind, not clouded by the weight of collective judgment or limits of ego identity. The 3 aspects vibrate at different frequencies, in chords & octaves, opening channels to clear & spiritualize the emotional body.
            ~~~~~~~~~~

            The cycle of our Lilith experience is initiated by the asteroid Lilith,
            developed by the Dark Moon Lilith,
            & completed by the Black Moon Lilith
            ~~~~~~~~~~

            I'll have to get back to supplying the correct credit to those quotes later!

            love all-ways,
            mem
            • I would have to say (and you would probably agree) that the libra lilith best describes me compared to taurus or capricorn, tho those could apply more mildly. :)
              • Unsu...
                 
                arize which lilith do you have in Libra? I have dark moon lilith placed in that sign.
                • here's another "brief overview" ~ it's unclear as to whether the author is referring to either Dark or Black Moon Lilith & this is obviously translated from some other language into English, so don't mind the grammar ~

                  Lilith In The Signs

                  LILITH IN ARIES often causes an extreme strive for autonomy, leading to problems in partnerships, because you are very interested in partnerships. Perhaps you are changing restlessly possible life partners without committing yourself, because there is always anything wrong with them. With flirts you are courageously, quickly and also successfully, possibly tending to one nite stands. Partnerships and sexual matters can be of uncertainty. You are fair, fighting for justice and peace.

                  LILITH IN TAURUS gives extraordinary love for the beauty and big emotional activity. You look for your security needs in a relationship, contacting others by flirting. With gifts and properties others can attract you, and probably you achive material security in a partnership. But you maybe get disturbed by the material dependence then, and your emotional harmony turns out of the balance.

                  LILITH IN GEMINI usually causes a strive for independence, particularly in intellectual areas. Perhaps you dedicate yourself to the beautiful literary arts or work in the public relations area. You have a diplomatic and psychological feeling and can entertain your fellow beings very well. Probably you tend to superficialnesses and your objectivity is limited sometimes, because you can get enticed and bounded by ideas easily. You possibly like to change your fellow beings, especially partners, if possible without their and even sometimes your own knowledge. In this position emotions can be suppressed unnoticed or converted to rationalities.

                  LILITH IN CANCER urges you to create domestic and family peace. You like to meet many people in your home in order to have expanded meals with them, whereby you take part in discussions very emotionally and with psychological knowledge. In family matters you are inclined not to recognize things or situations correctly, or you don't want to admit situations and circumstances because you get enticed by unrealistic opinions very easily.

                  LILITH IN LEO produces strong entertainment urges. Without any problems people can attract you to go to parties, where you then set yourself on stage. You also want to participate in bets and speculations, though your intuition tells you rather to leave your hands of it. You create harmony and peace, know how to flirt and to manipulate people to general well-being. You are probably well-known due to your charming character.

                  LILITH IN VIRGO blurrs the objectivity and lets you express criticism at wrong places perhaps. You simply don't want to commit yourself, are very orientationless regarding occupation and partnership. Other people may get confused by you, because this confusive position produces paradoxes in almost all areas of life. You perhaps tend hopelessly between commitment and autonomy urge, between social contacts and retreat. On the other hand, psychological and analytic abilities are almost unsurpassably strong, and your intuition beats everything. Unfortunately the possibility exists that you are not conscious about your abilities, or that you don't want to admit them.

                  LILITH IN LIBRA makes fair, diplomatically and harmony-striving. You like to flirt and manipulate your fellow beings with well-meaning intention. You permanently go into and break or let brake partnerships, because you vary between commitment and thirst for autonomy. The cause could be that you don't want to admit your wrong conceptions about fellow beings, or you don't want to see their real characters. Surely also belongs to it, that you may consider yourself completely different, contrary to the others, or that you are simply misjudged. You are of wisdom and intuition, as well as psychological ability and music love, but you may not have knowledge about it all. You wish to receive emotional loyalty from your life partner, and you want to be accepted emotionally. Probably you have very high requirements in partnerships and wish well working interpersonal relations to yourself.

                  LILITH IN SCORPIO may let you be enticed by sexual attractions easily, whereby you subordinate yourself to a more powerful partner or in reverse, or it comes to a mutually making the most of power. In this position the danger exists that you don't recognize these powers at all, the own or those of the others. You have to deal with setbacks, accidents and symbolic as well as real deaths, although there are usually opportunities to avoid it before any danger appears. You are maybe addicted to dangers because you want to exceed borders. Possibly you had to make experiences with death in the childhood, but can see the death as an inevitable part of the life due to your large psychological regeneration ability now.

                  LILITH IN SAGITTARIUS surely confronts you with the temptations of education journeys. If there is something to learn somewhere, you are quickly at place and you won't leave out a single opportunity to travel. Your contact to fellow beings is, due to your knowledge and psychological understanding, rather missionary and manipulative, but always with well-meaning intention. You are popular in a certain way because you try to apply diplomacy and fairness. At all your optimism and all the generosity you spread out, it could come to the situation that other people take advantage of you, or that you misjudge fellow beings.

                  LILITH IN CAPRICORN lets you hardly resist to the temptations of fame, status and power. You could bring yourself into large difficulties, because you misjudge the actual naturenesses of these characteristics, or you don't want to admit them at all. Problems in partnerships are usually resulting therefore in this position. You could tend to change your fellow beings and, in addition, to suppress their inner values completely. You look for autonomy, but perhaps won't necessarily also grant it to others.

                  LILITH IN AQUARIUS lets you misjudge your friends easily. Probably you have completely wrong conceptions of them or of what your friends think about you. You strive for autonomy with manipulative methods and psychological tricks, reject all too tight interpersonal relations and consider partnerships and relations rather as friendships. You surely hardly tend to commit yourself, although you want to to express any certain inner urge. Your fairness, tolerance, global thinking and humanity are noticeable, and you may argue with degenerated art or queer music styles. Though your intuitivity is remarkable, you could tend to a nonperception of the mentioned things.

                  LILITH IN PISCES can produce almost high-grade blurryness and impressingness. Perhaps you go voluntarily in dependence, also separatingnesses and an excessive social activity characterizes you. Possibly you repudiate yourself and don't recognize your internal needs or you don't want allow them to yourself. Fantasy, art sense and inspiration are very strong here. In addition, this position shows the danger to succumb to illusions and surrealities again and again. Possibly the whole life does not appear to you as real, but as virtual.


                  Lilith In The Houses

                  LILITH IN THE 1st HOUSE lets you always fight impulsively and initiatively for liberalism and fairness. You have ingenuity and foam over with energy in relations, partnerships and public-referred interests. With sexual adventures you can get enticed easily and if someone offers a leading role to you, you take it without thinking. In this position there is a tendency to come into problematic situations repeatedly, and also to understand the life life-worthy only as a kind of nonstop action.

                  LILITH IN THE 2nd HOUSE directs efforts on hedonistic activities and the acquisition of property. Quickly you succumb to material temptations, and you accumulate properties. You probably don't recognize the problems coming along with that, or you don't want to admit them at all, you don't react, but look for harmony and have a sense of art. Perhaps you regret it soon, if you commit yourself in a partnership, especially if you went into financial dependence.

                  LILITH IN THE 3rd HOUSE can cause misunderstandings and misjudgings while looking on yourself or on other persons. Perhaps it is not clear to you, how much independence you need, or you even don't want to admit that at all. Therefore you terminate relationships when they become seriously, or you go into a relationship, but get very unhappy with it. You don't want to commit yourself and you also need mental liberty. You feel safe with informal contacts, to which you are looking intensively for, and you can get tempted to meetings without problems.

                  LILITH IN THE 4th HOUSE looks for fulfilment in family, home and homeland. Probably you suffer from the missing autonomy, anyhow you don't get lucky. You gladly invite to meals and meet the whole family to communicative happenings. You strive for harmony and diplomacy, but are inclined to misjudge your fellow beings. Possibly there is discord between understanding and feeling.

                  LILITH IN THE 5th HOUSE spreads charisma, but possibly lets you misjudge your children. It can lead to fatal misunderstandings, if you don't use your intuition and wisdom with children. Maybe it comes to manipulations on one side or even mutually. You are maybe a phoney and like to set yourself on stage. Gladly you surround yourself with luxury and look for harmony, need a lot of freedom. You easily succumb to the temptation to take part in speculations.

                  LILITH IN THE 6th HOUSE often lets you succumb to rational temptations of perfection, correctness and hygiene. On the other hand also an irrational, intuitive attraction shows up. A fight between understanding and feeling could occur here. Perhaps you internally hate all the perfection and such things. You may misjudge the reality frequently, and you take the liberty to place criticism without the necessary objectivity at the same time. Your psychological understanding is very noticeably and perhaps you find your healing in helping other people, in healing and in sympathy for others. In partnerships and relations it could come to a conflict between your thirst for autonomy and an urge to commit yourself to the other. If your public life gets too stressful you may tend to retreat from it for a while.

                  LILITH IN THE 7th HOUSE causes a fight between a commitment urge and a strive for independence. Perhaps you are able to analyze your own psychological situation in every detail, but you succumb to the temptation to change nothing, showing the same behaviors again and again, of which you know exactly that you harm yourself. Gladly you manipulate your fellow beings with best intentions and flirts are your speciality. Also, you love the music and show your mediating, always fair and harmony-referring nature.

                  LILITH IN THE 8th HOUSE brings you in contact with power. Perhaps you don't notice it at all, or you don't want to admit that people use their power. There is also the possibility that you misjudge your own power by suppressing others. Possibly you expose yourself consciously to dangers or get enticed to dangerous and or sexual activities. This position usually brings contacts with deaths and losses in early years. By your internal wisdom you understood with the years that death is a part of the life.

                  LILITH IN THE 9th HOUSE makes optimistically, generous and gives interest in philosophy and religion. You strive very intensively for education and overload yourself with knowledge. There is the possibility, that others misjudge you or take advantage of you, or you negate your abilities or don't want to admit them. You need a lot of independence and are characterized by honesty, fairness and love for justice. You gladly are missionary and make use of your psychological understanding. Possibly others misunderstand you, and there exists a danger of getting enticed by very high and honourable, but not daily ideals making you appearing as unworldly and queer to your fellow beings. You would never say no to an education journey and immediately get into the airplane, also, the temptation of an emigration is very big here, whereby the danger of idealizing the destination of the emigration exists, and you may later realize to have been a victim of an illusion. If you meet your probably permanent desires to travel far away by just doing it, you may come in contact to many interesting people, and thus you will be able to extend your horizon.

                  LILITH IN THE 10th HOUSE lets you gladly manipulate other perople. You strive for fame, power and status, but may not recognize the side effects of these things or you recognize them, but suppress or don't admit them at the same time. The result can be problems, restrictions and in the long run bitterness and discords, which you consider as an interference factor in your life surely. Either you don't accept that another one has power over you, or you are not consciously about others that use their power to your disadvantage at all. And thus you surely are in conflict with leading persons permanently, if you are aware of this, because you need very much freedom, and therefore you also could avoid partnerships or allow them to be on a friendship level only. Probably your demands are much too high, and you overload yourself with responsibilities within the areas of partnership and public relations. This position tempts to taboo breakings, to a questioning of conventions and undemocratic social structures.

                  LILITH IN THE 11th HOUSE brings strong autonomy efforts. You are very tolerant and open to unusualnesses, surely have strange, but very creative artistic attitudes and prefer open partnerships, that others would rather consider as friendships only. You look for adventurous friendships, but could tend to misjudge the kind of your friends natures, or you don't want to admit them. Intuition and wisdom are nevertheless very strong, as well as your inventor talent. You like to present your eccentric nature.

                  LILITH IN THE 12th HOUSE seems to create an urge for illusions, fantasies and intoxication conditions. You are probably susceptibly to drugs and easily impressable. On the other hand, this position gives a very strong creative and inspirative capability. You vary between social contacts and retreats to isolation, are engaged excessively in the social area and help sympatheticly wherever it is necessary, whereby you also might neglect yourself. Perhaps a tendency exists, to walk through the life without a self, because you negate, don't recognize or want to admit your own needs.

                  from www.nmazca.com/coeli/lilith.htm

                  love all-ways,
                  mem
                • waldemath dark moon lilith. at 5.25 libra.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    Unsu...
                     
                    mine is 6 libra 02'9" in the 12th house conjunct pluto & asc and sextile neptune; definitely intense. It's crazy but the sabian symbol is "a witch stands next to her chicken coop and chats with a neighbor, keeping one eye peeled for a hawk that has been attacking her chickens."
                    hmmm....

                    What house is your lilith placed & do you have any aspects?
                    sabain symbol for your degree:
                    "a woman of luminous beauty holds out a half-opened rose to her lover & leads him through a gateway into a garden."

                    ~natalie








                    • its in my 7th.
                      the only other thing I have in libra is my South node.

                      My 7th house is packed to the gills, or anti-gills maybe. its ruled by leo and virgo is intercepted in it. in th e7th house i have jupiter, pluto, uranus, pallas and vertex. everything but leo Jupiter and this lilith is in virgo.

                      lets see.
                      it opposes my mars saturn (& eris) conjunction in aries
                      it sextiles my sag MC


                      yeah, I'm ready to lead a lover through a garden about now. :)

                      you're right about that sabian symbol. i like it tho. she's a 12th house witch. she's got a lot going on under the surface.
  • So it looks like I have my lilith in pices and walde in leo. But I don't know which liliths the charts on this thread are refering to. The lilith in pices on the original post for this thread sounds most like me.
    • But I don't know which liliths the charts on this thread are refering to.
      ~~~~~
      I don't either, actually ~ the web sites are most unclear & I have a suspicion that often times the authors of these websites are kinda confused too! My best advice is to test them out & see what works. I'd love it of you'd post any reactions, insights, comments, etc., as I'm just wading through much of this too....

      In general tho, I think it's fair to attribute these to the Black Moon Lilith (that seems to be the one that "most people" talk about.

      love all-ways,
      mem
      • here's another brief overview from a different site:

        Lilith in the 1st house has been the most difficult to analyze, but has brought some irritating physical conditions such as itch, or being attracted to a place where pests, vermin, infectious disease, or licentiousness ran riot.

        In the 2nd house troubles involving money matters, such as receiving counterfeit or bogus checks, theft or hush money.

        In the 3rd house, it is apt to make one rash and impetuous in making promises to brethren or neighbors, then sometime when the affliction comes, they will demand the fulfillment of the statement.

        In the 4th house, it has brought demoniacal conditions between the parents and turned the child out to drift, or a step-parent with whom it is impossible to live.

        In the 5th house are the greatest number of verifications, which have brought unlucky love affairs by death or running away with a rival. It has caused the death of children before or soon after birth. Being also the house of pleasure, theaters and investments, it actuates vileness and jealousy with combat and losses, worse for the time being than Mars or the Dragon's Tail.

        In the 6th house it often brings death at the employment, severe troubles with servants or inferiors who by jealousy tell lies and naturally cause so much trouble that a change may be necessary. It brings what some have called bad luck in raising foods or small animals because of pests, disease or theft. It has brought illness because of the bite or sting of hornets, rabid dogs or cats and snakes.

        In the 7th house, I have heard many gruesome and horrible stories in connection with the marriage or business partner, when excited by a malefic transit. Mars is bad enough but that of Saturn or Neptune are a thousand times worse.

        In the 8th house, Lilith has brought so much trouble about inheritance that it was not worth the effort to collect it. With some it gives a terrible fear of death and has brought gruesome experiences at funerals or witness to horrible deaths at the time of an accident or disaster.

        In the 9th house, it brings rebellion to orthodox or limited doctrines and dogmas. On long journeys it brings one in contact with suspicious characters or some with erratic behavior or seasickness if Lilith were excited at the time. One person frankly confessed to being connected with a secret order where they practiced black magic. She said "People want to be fooled, so we fool 'em."

        In the 10th house, it has brought jealousy in business, and muck-raking competitors, attacking the honor of the business. For one holding a political position, then all the dirt is brought out.

        In the 11th house, it develops jealousy amongst friends, or with the employer, because of some illicit love affair, the 11th being the opposite of the 5th.

        In the 12th house it often deals with foreigners or in foreign countries.

        from www.sria.org/lilith_demon.htm
        be sure to read the rest of the web page for a reasonable take on the biblical/religious tradition Lilith

        love all-ways,
        mem
  • "Sagittarius - Lilith in Sagittarius may hide her emotions beneath a facade of humor or a mask of "niceness." She may keep her personal philosophies secret from others, keeping her own counsel. In the negative, this placement can indicate haughtiness, self-righteousness, and prejudice."

    Unfortunately, I find this painfully true. I often think that I have two very separate personalities; one that shows during the day, and one that shows during the night. When around friends or peers, I'm very funny. I like to make people laugh. Almost to the extent of having a dirty sense of humor - I can find something funny in anything, and can come off as very sure of myself and confident. People love this side of me, and my last partner fell in love with this part of me. During the time that we met, my progressed moon was in Sagittarius, and conjunct my Lilith. Obviously, Lilith was very important to the creation (and failure) of our relationship.

    However, it's not my "true self" if you know what I mean. With so much Virgo, Capricorn, Gemini, and Aquarius in my chart, I'm cynical by default. My humor can be very dark, I have usually very terrible mood swings and find most people very irritating and even "below" me in many ways. I'm aware of how smart I am - I supply pretty cutting remarks, and it's not rare for me to slip into despondency. I'm irritated with the majority of humanity, and not very tolerant. However, most don't see this. I blame that partially on my Aquarius rising and apparent "accept all" nature.

    It's easy to see why I so often say that there's two personalities...I've yet to figure out a way to balance to two. I know that if I go all day being happy and cheerful, making others happy and laugh, that I have to take time at the end of the day (usually at night) to brood. No joke. It's terrible...if anybody sees my true nature during that time, it's very shocking to them. However, I don't do anything to ease their shock or sometimes fear. I'm not sure how they feel exactly, but I imagine it can be scary to see a happy-go-lucky person not really be the person you think they are...

    My Lilith is in my 10th house, two degrees away from my MC in Sagittarius, and therefore conjunct. I don't talk about religion, my beliefs, my education, my work, or anything else that is personally related to me in the company of others. I change the subject with a joke, or simply refuse to answer the question.
  • Unsu...
     
    how can I find out the dark moon lilith placement, again? I've read this before, but forgot.

    Anyway, so these descriptions can be applied to all 3 liliths?
    • how can I find out the dark moon lilith placement, again?
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      For Dark Moon Lilith, I use www.astro.com & enter the code for "Waldemath Dark Moon" from the list of hypothetical points (h58, I think, without double checking) ~ it will say "Walde" on your chart where it is.

      Waldemath is a guy who did some calculations, although all the reports I have read about all the Dark Moon Lilith calculations have been noted to be "flawed" in some way... that seems par for the course, since Dark Moon Lilith IS a hypothetical point ~ no one has ever been able to measure its actual physical existance, much less an accurate orbit for it. So, allow yourself a bit of *wiggle room* here ~ if the calculations put you close to a cusp, be sure to read both interpretations. If you have any better information than this, please let me know!

      Anyway, so these descriptions can be applied to all 3 liliths?
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Since, no matter what, we are still talking about the archetype of Lilith, I say yes, if it fits you, use it. If you are at the point where you are trying to be VERY precise & you already understand Lilith, generally, then you may want to further untangle her different forms ~ but I wouldn't worry about that if you are just starting out looking at Lilith, as it can be so frustrating & discouraging as to be a barrier to any further exploration.

      There are just *theories* in this area ~ no one, that I have seen, has this all perfectly figured out ~ which makes this an exciting area of research for me & I greatly encourage all of you to add you own thoughts/impressions/personal stories/intuitive hunches/etc. to this tribe :)

      I do think that Lilith is *inspiring* me to get the word out about her influnce in these times ~ but this project is much bigger than something I can handle alone.

      love all-ways,
      mem

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