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Alex Jones Channel on You Tube

cup — Tue, 06 May 2008 02:51:18 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel

I find his radio station program very interesting.

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Rev. Wright on Bill Moyers Journal

libramoon — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:22:59 GMT

Check this out. It gives a whole different slant to the generally spread opinion of Reverend Wright. He seems to be a very smart man (amazing how much he agrees with me).

April 25, 2008

Bill Moyers interviews the Reverend Jeremiah Wright in his first broadcast interview with a journalist since he became embroiled in a controversy for his remarks and his relationship with Barack Obama. Wright, who retired in early 2008 as pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where Senator Obama is a member, has been at the center of controversy for comments he made during sermons, which surfaced in the press in March.

>More about Rev. Jeremiah Wright

see video/read transcript

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/watch.html

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hubris oblige

libramoon — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:40:36 GMT

Earth Angels

That speciesism
That arrogance
Deaf to the wisdom
of the faery lore
Killing the goose,
and the whales,
and untold trees
bearing fruits that might have
saved us untold pain
Lives so dependent
on microbes and photosynthesis,
beings never catalogued,
processes not understood
Focused on ephemeral
opinion, name and number
fantasies
Realities we have yet to take in,
to acknowledge,
fall, collateral damage
to thoughtless bravado,
petty greeds and rivalries.

(c) March 26, 2008 Laurie Corzett/libramoon

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Non-toxic metaphor - The Starfish Tale

trance-formation — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:10:32 GMT

You might now this one, but I like it anyway :-)

http://www.sargant.net/downloads/thestarfishtale.mp3

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Toxic Metaphor

trance-formation — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:02:00 GMT

I find that I can watch less and less television these days... either pure mythic fantasy (Dr Who, Torchwood) or "factual" television, I'm smart enough to reserve judgement on the facts presented, particularly if they are of political nature.

I realise more and more strongly that our world is very directly created from the stories we spin. We have a programme here called Gordon Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares... started in UK now he's doing american shows. My wife likes that kind of thing, but I've had to ask her to watch it when I'm not around as it causes me a real physical pain to watch it.

We (as in everybody) are piped this stuff direct into the very heart of our being... why would anyone want to spin a world like that if not to induce states that make people easier to control?

Each and every one of us can contribute to a more expansive metaphor for the world....

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... the Politics of Dignity

libramoon — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:54:56 GMT

Please don't take offense at this posting as some kind of political partisanship. I found this article quite touching in bringing up the underlying assumptions about power and what really is the important policy objective. I am posting this as a discussion of not politics but political philosophy, even when in the most personal or most objective of the meanings of "political."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-fuller/barack-obama-and-the-poli_b_91649.html

Barack Obama and the Politics of Dignity
Posted March 14, 2008 | 06:39 PM (EST)

Barack Obama is offering Americans dignity, and they're grabbing it with both hands. Dignity permeates his speeches, informs his policies, and is evident in his manner. Whether he intended to or not, Obama has become a herald of the politics of dignity.

But dignity for whom? For blacks and whites, for men and women, for gays and straights, for young and old, for rich and poor, and for immigrants and the native-born. Obama also reaches out to both sides of the aisle -- liberals and conservatives -- and to other nations and their leaders. Americans, eager to move beyond the fractiousness of identity politics and to end the standoff between libertarian and egalitarian ideologies, are lining up in support. They are ready for a leader committed to building a world of dignity for all.

What exactly is the dignity that people crave? It's more than good manners, respect, and civility. It's the absence of indignity. The American people know that indignities inflicted on the world have diminished America's stature. They know that the indignities they and their fellow citizens are suffering at home are sapping the American spirit.

Barack Obama's campaign has been called a "phenomenon," one with the potential to swell into a movement. But to realize its promise, a movement must evolve from a call for change to a plan for removing the obstacles that stand in the way of that change. How can the energy that has crystallized around Obama's candidacy be effectively focused to fight the indignities of everyday life?

As the history of the women's movement shows, a movement can't deliver without identifying what it's against. The introduction of the word "sexism" provided the lens that brought gender inequity into focus and made it indefensible.

To fight back against indignity, we need to root out what causes it. The cause of indignity is not power, nor is it power differences. It is rather the abuse of power. To oppose indignity, we do not have to eliminate differences in power, nor the differences in rank that merely reflect them.

Rank is a useful tool of organization. When it's exercised with proper regard for the dignity of subordinates, we not only accept rank differences, we celebrate the people whose accomplishments have earned our respect. No one is more admired or loved than someone of high rank who treats everyone, regardless of rank, with dignity.

But, abuses of rank have no place in a dignitarian world and must go. Taking a page from the women's movement, if we are to combat such abuses effectively, we must first give them a name. Fortunately, there's a word at hand. By analogy with racism, sexism, and ageism, abuse of the power inherent in rank is rankism. Once named, you see it everywhere.

The outrage over corrupt executives is indignation over rankism. Sexual abuse by clergy is rankism. Elder abuse in life care facilities is rankism. The power of lobbyists to subvert the people's will is rankism. Photos of the humiliation of Iraqi prisoners gave the world a look at rankism's arrogant face. Hurricane Katrina made visible rankism's most common victims -- the sick, the elderly, the poor.

Like racism, rankism has its most debilitating impact on those lacking the protections of social rank -- the poor. And nowhere is rankism more dangerous than in foreign relations. International terrorism has multiple, complex causes, but one factor we can address is rankism between nations. There is no fury like that borne of chronic humiliation. Senator Obama understands that a vital part of a strong defense is not giving offense in the first place.

Rankism distorts personal relationships, erodes the will to learn, taxes economic productivity, and stokes international enmities. The effects on its victims are like those of racism and sexism on minorities and women. But, unlike these better-known isms, rankism knows no limits and plays no favorites. So long as anyone's dignity is at risk, everyone's is. With its inclusiveness, Obama's politics of dignity has struck a chord.

Before they'll march for justice, people will stand up for dignity. Obama has got them on their feet, and that's a start. The next step--building a dignitarian society -- is the work of several generations, but the hopes for a peaceful and prosperous twenty-first century rest on our taking it.

Robert W. Fuller is the author of All Rise: Somebodies, Nobodies, and the Politics of Dignity (2006). He is co-author, with Pamela Gerloff, of Dignity for All: Rankism Unmasked (forthcoming, Spring 2008).

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Samantha's monster

libramoon — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:53:14 GMT

A monster?
More like a reverse butterfly
-- a noble creature turning into a worm.
Samantha is not the power
that is corrupting brave Hillary.
I say this not in anger, but in sorrow.
Turning in principles for power
is selling your soul in bits and pieces.
Eventually you become something
that is called a monster in archetypal realms.
Being a monster does not show up in birth charts.
It can happen to anyone.

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Anarcanists?

Noah — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:13:00 GMT

So,
as we work to unravel
the ties that are binding,
just what are the knots
that most need untying?

Should we start at the top
and work our way down?
Will it come apart faster
if we begin from the ground?

Will some strings will be cut,
and others be saved,
while the warp and the woof
and the weavers remain?

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Words

trance-formation — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:02:06 GMT

"We can all see how other people's BS (belief system or bullshit :p) makes them blind and "stupid" at times, but we find it very hard to notice how our own BS is doing the same to us. This is what anthropologists call 'acculturalization.' Following Gurdjieff, I prefer to call it hypnosis... Every politician knows how to induce hypnosis, and very damned few peple on the whole planet know how to de-hypnotize themselves. The world is not governed by facts or logic. It is governed by BS (belief systems)."

Robert Anton Wilson

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Bards with a mission!

Noah — Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:45:23 GMT

Greetings,

I am a bard and wizard living in oregon, usa. I am putting together a show to be taken to schools across the US with the intent of begining the deprogramming with the children... We travel in Vegi-oil powered school buses and make our puppets, props, costumes, and trade items from recycled, salvaged, or sustainably grown materials... We intend to show by example (and by puppet show), that there is an alternative to slash and burn consumerism... and what better way to combat this spell, than with the old magics... Song, dance, laughter, and inspiration...

Taliesin, I see you are a didge player... I am as well... I believe that instruments such as didge, double flute, drums, and many others are powerful magical tools necessary for the shift of conciousness we are seeking... chants and pattern dances have been utilized by nearly every culture across the globe for the purpose of community cohesion, and deprograming (also know as exorcism)

Thanks for calling together this meeting of Merlins

love light laughter and song
noah (myrth)

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What does it take?

trance-formation — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:15:13 GMT

To deprogramme society? It's a pretty broad sweeping statement, and the programmers seem to have all the tools... control over media, education, national/international policy, money, property...

The inspiration for this group RAW and Sheah's Operation Mindfuck, was pretty much an anarchic band of artists and poets engaged in gatecrashing the imagination, challenging reality models... what other strategies can we take?...

What would happen if we take the view that societal programming is not far removed from cult programming? How do cult deprogrammers work? Can the same strategies be applied on a group level?

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Societal Control Trances

trance-formation — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:12:40 GMT

I'm in the process of redefining my understanding of trance.

Succinctly, trance is a repetition of cognitive events/thoughts that result in a specific state of consciousness that disables certain cognitive functions. Gurdjieff realised that most of us are in trance states most of the time.

One of the most powerful control mechanisms available to those elements of governement that wish to use it is the induction of mass trance... fear trance... the them out there trance... terrorism trance... these are clear hypnotic trances (internal cognitive repetition mainained and sustained by the hypnotist) that result in a disabling of volition and critical judgement.

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Space Time Continuum with Terence McKenna

trance-formation — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:03:05 GMT

This is what they have suppressed so long. This is why they are so afraid of the psychedelics, because they understand that once you touch the inner core of your own and someone else's being you can't be led into thing-fetishes and consumerism. The message of psychedelics is that culture can be re-engineered as a set of emotional values rather than products. This is terrifying news.

http://deoxy.org/t_adt.htm

Whether one reckons that the psychedelics are necessary, they certainly accelerate the process... but the liberation comes from that connection with the inner core... after that, even if one is temporarily mired in maya the route out is always just present :-)

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Name change?

cup — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 11:53:11 GMT

I liked the old name, but this one seems to be more 'inviting' and 'marketable'!!

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Best of Both Worlds?

Phlogiston — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:30:58 GMT

In "Brave New World" Aldous Huxley described a society in which people are given pleasure, satisfaction of desires, 'soma', entertainment (the 'feelies') by the government as a means to control them: the "Bread & Play" of the Roman Era.

On the contrary end, there is George Orwell's "1984" where the people are controlled by fear: observation, secret police, 'big brother' &c...

I think our current 'Western Civilization' increasingly shows a combination of both: pleasure & fear.

People escape the pressures felt from 'control' into 'pleasure' more & more, but these pleasures are increasingly violent, or a violization/transgression of morals, rules, nature &c..

Any thoughts?

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