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I just uploaded five photos of Dina. I received these from an Egyptian friend of mine who lives in Florida. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of Dina. And these pictures are part of the reason why. She has it in her power to really turn this dance into something more classy; yet, she insists on bringing it down to level that resembles porn.
I don't agree with her choice of costuming. It is not the belly dancing I studied and love. I know that I will get flagged on uploaded these photos, but I call a spade a spade. Dina is wearing these so-called belly dance costumes. It was her choice to wear them. I did not twist her arm. No one twisted her arm. These photos are proof of that.
It's no wonder that the fundamentalists are doing what they can to stamp out this rare and beautiful dance. Dina seems to enjoy contributing to the deterioration of the acceptance, celebration, and love for the dance simply through her costumes. I hope that no one here in the USA or the West or the rest of the world follows suit.
-Sausan
Sausan Academy of Egyptian Dance
I just uploaded five photos of Dina. I received these from an Egyptian friend of mine who lives in Florida. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of Dina. And these pictures are part of the reason why. She has it in her power to really turn this dance into something more classy; yet, she insists on bringing it down to level that resembles porn.
I don't agree with her choice of costuming. It is not the belly dancing I studied and love. I know that I will get flagged on uploaded these photos, but I call a spade a spade. Dina is wearing these so-called belly dance costumes. It was her choice to wear them. I did not twist her arm. No one twisted her arm. These photos are proof of that.
It's no wonder that the fundamentalists are doing what they can to stamp out this rare and beautiful dance. Dina seems to enjoy contributing to the deterioration of the acceptance, celebration, and love for the dance simply through her costumes. I hope that no one here in the USA or the West or the rest of the world follows suit.
-Sausan
Sausan Academy of Egyptian Dance
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Tue, December 11, 2007 - 1:03 PMSome of her costumes are out there, I won't argue with that. I don't believe these are *new* photos; she's been dressing in a less extreme manner for a while now.
But more importantly, after taking a workshop with her and seeing her dance in person, I can say that none of those things you say about her are true, except in the eyes of people who cannot see past the costume choices. She is a strong, vibrant and above all warm teacher and dancer. She could wear a potato sack or nothing at all and her dance would still radiate pure love, if you care less about the costuming than the dancing.
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Wed, December 12, 2007 - 11:28 AMDina is not the reason for the fundamentalist upswing in Egyptian society. If you knew anything, you would know the reason. -
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Thu, December 13, 2007 - 8:55 AMI think Dina is a beautiful woman and a talented dancer. My opinion is, if you got it flaunt it. I think her costume choices are a part of her artistry. I think it's a real shame that she get's boxed in and is judged not on her talent, but on how she presents herself.
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Thu, December 13, 2007 - 11:22 AMDina is not the reason for this phenomen!
And it would be a lot worse if artists started seeking "compromise" with fundamentalists and dressing in a modest way as if trying to "appease" them- it would be useless anyway! A woman dancing in public will always be considered something dirty by those, no matter what she wears. -
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Thu, December 13, 2007 - 2:18 PMI disagree....
I don't think that dressing in a non-whore-ish way would be appeasing to the fundamentalists nor compromising in the least way.
I think her way of dressing IS compromising the dance.
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Thu, December 13, 2007 - 2:20 PMMark...
Perhaps she is not the reason for the fundamentalists upswing as it began long long ago. But I'm sure that she contributes to the continuation of the upswing.
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Fri, December 14, 2007 - 3:37 AMBut you are a dancer and you should judge her from her dancing! She doesn't have to make up for the narrowmindedness of certain people, she's an artist, at her level she can do whatever she likes! Dancers should be solidary on this. Dina is sensual and has a taste for costumes that is FUNNY, so to say (but I mean she is colourful and has sense of humour and we love her for that, don't we?). She is not vulgar as a dancer! I've recently seen dancers that really look pornographic when they mean to bellydance, and there's a big difference and misunderstanding! But not with Dina! -
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Sat, December 15, 2007 - 12:21 AMThe Queen Mother of England is a lovely person as well. She can do whatever she likes also. She may not be considered an artist, but she has her own sense of humor. I guess it would be no problem to her subjects if she were to dress up in a Modonna-type outfit with her bra lace and straps showing and her hair all ratted out and her belly button exposed. Yes, that should really make an impression on her subjects and people would really pay her a lot of respect then. And her subjects should really be in solidarity on this because this is who the Queen Mother wanted to dress. And if you don't want to use the Queen Mother as the example, then let's use Diana.
I was just using an example. I am not in solidarity on the way that Dina dresses. She looks pornographic in these pictures before she dances. The dancers that look pornographic when they mean to belly dance just need more instruction. Dina doesn't need instruction on her technique, just in her outfits.
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Sat, December 15, 2007 - 2:09 AMYes Bush dresses in a smart suit yet he loves killing innocent people from his country and other countries. Specially from others.
Dont judge the book by it's cover.
This phrase says it all...
none dances like Dina...she makes people cry,, she touches hearts, souls, she makes u dream when u r alive.
otherwise she would b another one from any of the bellydance forums trying to talk about "how do we call this step? is it duck walk? or is it hagallah?"
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Sat, December 15, 2007 - 12:01 PMEuginia..
I think this is a great post. It says a lot.
My original post was that I did not care for Dina's costumes. I think they do a disservice to this dance and the dance community. In fact many Egyptians don't like her costumes much less her dancing. I never said that I disliked Dina's dancing entirely. I think that her dancing was lovely when she was younger. It changed with her style of costuming.
Yes, President Bush wears smart suits (I've never seen a yellow one, but that may be symbolic). But he wears suits; he does not wear over sized jeans that fall below his hip line exposing his crack, nor does he wear a ball cap with the rim at the back of his head. He wears suits according to standards of his office. As for the statement that President Bush loves killing innocent people from his country and from other countries, well, that's a pretty big and quite a generalized statement that would really need to be substantiated with proof and evidence provided by the people and leaders involved. His political agenda is not a subject for argument on this board. He wears smart suits and he obviously commands respect from various groups or he wouldn't really be in power.
Dina may be a great artist, and she may bring tears to people eyes, but unlike President Bush, her dress, in my experience and dress standards is very questionable.
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Sat, December 15, 2007 - 3:40 AMWell you don't have to dress like Dina yourself. But will you put down a great artist because of the way she dresses? I think one has to take sides, either with the conservatives or with the liberals. I'm with the liberals.
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Sat, December 15, 2007 - 12:21 PMHi, Nuria:
Great artists have always been put down at one time or another. Picasso was one; another was MirĂ³. I can probably list more. Art is subjective.
Dina is a dancer interpreting the music and songs of those that composed them. The songs that were composed were composed by artists. Dina interprets them through her cultural dance experience. Yes, to a certain extent, she is an artist in her own right.
The amount of energy we as dancers put into elevating this dance is tremendous. We fight to keep it separate from burlesque as evidenced by the numerous threads on many forums. Yet, we eagerly accept a costume that exposes more flesh than some burlesque costumes because it is the "artist" that has chosen to wear them. It is the impact factor of her costumes that catches the attention; her dance is secondary to her costuming. It is no wonder why burlesque continues to equate itself with belly dance.
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Sun, December 16, 2007 - 1:58 AMDina was in Mahmoud Reda troupe, that says how brillian she was.
Regardind Mr Bush, he still wears smart suit and loves killing people. It was my lame example to say, dont judge a book by its cover.
Specially we are women, and we have to fight against silly stereotypes we r born with.
I suppose Dina must habe been throug quite a lot by being a bellydancer in Egypt. And that is her way of sayinf "u know what, yes, im a bellydancer and yes u can say whatever u want about me, at least i d what i want and u dont".
i think people should have more respect about dancers from Egypt, they are the true dance, we just take it from them and adapt it in our culture...specially when 99% of us doesnt know what the lyrics say and just dance to the beat of the music. That is irritating for them, not what they wear according to our eyes.
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Mon, December 17, 2007 - 1:09 PM"I suppose Dina must habe been throug quite a lot by being a bellydancer in Egypt. And that is her way of sayinf "u know what, yes, im a bellydancer and yes u can say whatever u want about me, at least i d what i want and u dont". "
100 percent agree with you, I have so much respect for her ability to do the things she wants to do and be an uncompromising artist in the face of pressure to be otherwise.
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Tue, December 18, 2007 - 7:46 AMYou wrote: I suppose Dina must habe been throug quite a lot by being a bellydancer in Egypt. And that is her way of sayinf "u know what, yes, im a bellydancer and yes u can say whatever u want about me, at least i d what i want and u dont".
I love this statement. This is exactly what I learned from meeting Dina. A little more self-acceptance for myself too. I was inspired by her.
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Wed, December 19, 2007 - 11:04 AMHi, Eugenia...
Unfortunately, for the uniformed, uneducated, and ill-informed public, a book is always judged by its cover. :-) -
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Thu, December 20, 2007 - 5:46 AMI personally do not care for showing thongs in public. But that's ME. By Dina wearing what she wants she is asserting her authority, and I'm glad for that! Her dancing stands as a testament for why she REALLY there; she takes us on a journey to the Heart. I see Dina as the Madonna of Bellydance. Remember all the "Like A Virgin" controversy?? And look how powerful Madonna is now! You have to ask yourself, are you a sheep or a lion? What path will you choose? Follower or Leader?
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Mon, December 17, 2007 - 5:33 PMi really don't know where to start on this one.
1) dina demands respect and her choice of costume is her choice. If thats what she wants to wear thats her choice. We can decide to not like it, but regardless we should be paying attention to her dancing and respect what she has brought to the art.
2) "She has it in her power to really turn this dance into something more classy; yet, she insists on bringing it down to level that resembles porn. " Dina has revolutionized the dance in her own way. She has completely changed the course of dance in the modern egyptian form. And one of the reasons she was sooo noticed was her choice of costume. Some of her costumes are normal to standards and some are outrageous but regardless of what you think, she does what she does because she wants to, and that calls for respect. She isn't conforming to what you want, or what they want. she's making her own path.
3)"It's no wonder that the fundamentalists are doing what they can to stamp out this rare and beautiful dance. Dina seems to enjoy contributing to the deterioration of the acceptance, celebration, and love for the dance simply through her costumes. I hope that no one here in the USA or the West or the rest of the world follows suit. " .....oy, fundamentalists would be doing what they could to stamp out anything has empowers women, and takes that verys from the normal "every man" standard of society. Dina isn't hurting the dance anymore than a woman who walks around in an outfit that shows some leg. It a male controlled world and the more they contain and control the sexuality of women the more they keep us as women "in our place". Dina wearing what she wants in a fantastic example that it doesn't matter what you wear its hold you conduct yourself. Shes a very upstanding and respectable. People don't like when women do what they want and show that they won't be controlled by anyones narrow thoughts.
I hope that every woman can be as brave and dina to do what they want and believe regardless of a repressive sexist society
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Amanda Rose
(p.s. sorry in advance for spelling errors)
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Tue, December 18, 2007 - 7:44 AMHer costumes when she performed in Montreal were tasteful. I think perhaps her tastes have changed.
What she wore to watch the show was a bit saucy, but honestly I think we should be able to wear whatever we want in our spare time.
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Fri, December 21, 2007 - 3:56 AMDina is voluptuous in her dancing as in her costume. But she is NOT porn as some claim. She just chose to embody the woman that feels and desires emotionally and sexually and this woman that lives in every woman's body and soul has been labelled indecent, or a slut/sharmuta all over the world. Now that should make us think twice why that is so...
To me Dina is a true feminist - at least in the surroundings she lives. So I'm with Dina - but not for imitation because IMHO you have to understand the point she is making, even if it was unintentionally (but Dina is not a stupid woman).
If I was living among people that kept telling me I was dirty (because of dancing and because I'm not circumcised), I would feel almost obliged to take the role of the rebel, because I would never accept anyone calling me dirty for how I'm born and for what i love. Dina doesn't give in, so go Dina! -
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Fri, December 21, 2007 - 10:42 PMtotally agree, go feminists
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Thu, February 7, 2008 - 9:26 AMYou couldn't have said it better. I think Dina she is a fierce feminist.
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Fri, December 21, 2007 - 3:18 PMspeaking of "if you got it flaunt it!" Who has better legs than Zizi Mustafa??
www.youtube.com/watch
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Thu, January 17, 2008 - 12:17 AMjesus! what a body...beautiful, and that little waist, she is a doll!
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Wed, January 2, 2008 - 5:55 PMYou know Sausan, It's really interesting that you claim to solely know the "One True Egyptian" form "bellydancing", and yet when an Egyptian dancer, i.e. one the dancers that you yourself claim to emulate the "true form of this dance from" suddenly does something that you disagree with, you turn around and say that it's not representative of this dance. If you truely believed that then why complain over a whale tale? After all, Dina's the Egyptian dancer, not you. -
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Fri, February 22, 2008 - 12:44 PMI must agree with Sausan on this. At first I didnt care for Dina's dancing
at all or costuming (or lack). But I grew to really love her style, how deeply
she taps into her emotions when she dances, she has had a very hard life too. She has been
married like five times and as mostly everyone knows was disgustingly
betrayed by one of her husbands who videotaped them during sex
and sold the tapes (not her fault), I felt bad for her. Her dancing has gotten
better over time, some of it I love and some not so much. As a total package she
is not my favorite Egyptian bellydancer but I have grown to really enjoy her. She really
dances right on that beat and still flows love that. But, her choice in costuming is
really bad. The thong costume was terrible, not to mention awfully unflattering to
her rear. I like to see the artist move not to see their panties or thong! It seem though
unfortunately, the trend in costuming just gets more hideous! Spandex anyone?
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Tue, February 26, 2008 - 4:46 AMI find her costuming naive. Erotical kitsch, I'd call it. But: it is the freedom of the artist to provoke controversial reactions. Dina stands for that freedom. Taste and estheticism are for bores! Heart and passion are what counts. She is good at what she does. And I also like her costume-overdo, it's part of her. She's messy in a way, that makes her sympathetic. The decent thing is just not hers.
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