temple whores

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I have been drawn to the concept of the "sacred whore" or "temple whore" for many years and have found myself lately thinking of this in terms of my path for this time in my life.

My idea of it is that a temple whore is in service to the people and to the Gods/Goddesses. She/he acts as a conduit for divine worship but also serves as a healer. I see it as a path to the divine but also depersonalizes sex a little. So your partner becomes the divine instead of Joe Smith or whoever. It becomes less about the individuals and more about the temple and the intention of the devotees. It is a path of learning and teaching for me at this time. I am not at a place in my life right now where I could sustain a committed relationship but do not wish for casual meaningless sex so i have chosen to serve in the Temple based on my understanding of what that means.

I was telling my concept to an ex lover and he said he wished to pray at my Temple so I thought OK...We spoke of what this meant and what it did not mean very clearly. We co-created the Temple and stated our intentions. For me I felt it was a very healing experience and my intentions were heard by the powers that be and made manifest. He also states he experienced what he intended. It has not spilled over into our friendship and seems very clear so...yes to that.

The purpose of my post is to hear others concepts of sacred whores and what that means and also if anyone has good resources for study or discussion to share would be appreciated. Thanks
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  • Re: temple whores

    Wed, March 18, 2009 - 1:13 PM
    Hi, Rain.

    There seems to be a small but growing number of sex workers who are beginning to understand the healing power of their gift to partners as part of their devotion to God/Goddess. There are also, occasionally, some groups forming. For example, look at the Yahoo group called Qadishtu.

    I have to admit, however, that I am conflicted over the term itself. It's not that I have anything against the term "whore," at all. My conflict is that the role is actually that of an honored sacred priestess, honoring her vows to her faith. When conservative archeologists first discovered evidence of the practices, they used the term "temple whore" as a pejorative. It was meant, specifically, as an insult under the assumption that the Pagan practices were unholy and even evil.

    So the conflict is should the term be abandoned for the more correct "Sacred Priestess," or should practitioners keep the "sacred whore" as a sort of "F*¢* You!" to those who would use the term to insult them--"Damn right I'm a sacred whore. What are you gonna do about it?"

    If you're interested, there is a festival coming up in June called "Babalon Rising." It's held just outside French Lick (!) Indiana. I know there will be some people who are part of the Qadishtu tradition there.
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      Re: temple whores

      Thu, March 19, 2009 - 7:00 PM
      Thanks for the info. I would love to go to a city called French Lick. Indiana is pretty far for me to travel, tho the bumper sticker might be worth it!

      I have thought about my choice of the term "whore" and have chosen to keep it. Not sure whether it is a f*#k you response or not, maybe. females get to be the whores, sluts and tramps of this world while males get to be players and studs. It doesn't seem fair really. Women bear the shame of sexuality in our culture. It's spelled out clearly in our terminology.

      I have described myself with the word "priestess" for a long time and this current path seems clearly different to me. I don't want to de-sexualize my whoredom by calling myself something more socially appropriate. The other PTA moms might not sit with me but I am flying my whore banner because I choose to. It feels somewhat empowering to me but i may be deluded in that. It is a new thing for me to embrace and time will tell how this road really is for me. I'm sure I will learn something of value either way.

      By the way, I am not advertising for "clients" so please do not PM me. If you have a response to my post please respond for all to read. These posts are here to help us all learn and gain understanding. thanx
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      Thu, March 19, 2009 - 9:46 PM
      I would love to go to a place called french lick! Indiana is a little far for me to go tho it might be worth it for the bumper sticker.

      I have thought about the term "whore" and all its various connotations. i have chosen to stick with the term perhaps in a f*#ck you spirit, not sure really. Females get to be the whores sluts and tramps of this world while males get to be the players and studs. It doesn't seem fair really. Women bear the shame of sexuality in our culture. It's spelled out pretty clearly in our terminology.

      I have used the word "priestess' for a long time to describe myself and this path seems very different to me. I do not want to choose a term that de-sexualizes my whoredom even if it is more socially appropriate. The other PTA moms might not sit with me under my banner of "whore" but i am finding that by embracing the term it somehow feels empowering to me. Perhaps I am deluding myself. This road is still a new one for me. I am sure I will learn something useful here either way. Maybe something positive, maybe not, but I am curious.

      By the way I am not advertising for "clients" so please do not PM me. If you have a response to my post please write it here so all can gain understanding from it. Thanx
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        Re: temple whores

        Fri, March 20, 2009 - 8:44 AM
        Sorry to be redundant, Tribe is weird sometimes...
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          Fri, March 20, 2009 - 11:03 AM
          Tribe only weird sometimes? LOL!

          It's sad, but some people look at "sacred sexuality" and only see S•E•X, so I'm wouldn't be surprised if you get some private messages from knuckle draggers and people who want to "teach" you. If there are teachers out there, please teach us all.

          I understand and respect your decision re: the word "whore."

          Personally, I'm trying to take over the word "Slut." I see it as an acronym for:

          Strong
          Liberated
          Unstoppable
          Terrific
  • Re: temple whores

    Sun, March 22, 2009 - 10:38 AM
    I like this concept. I am in a committed poly primary relationship. My partner is not interested in adding anyone to our family structure. This presents a challenge with the depth of surrender and energetic connections I feel called towards. I want to connect with beloveds where our lovemaking becomes a merging not only with each other but with the divine. At the same time I don't want to have a beloved feel abandoned when I return to my primary partner. By having a container as you have described, I can see the possibility of entering into this deep tantric connection within the container of the sacred whore and returning to my partner without all the drama and complexity of another love relationship.
    • Re: temple whores

      Tue, June 16, 2009 - 9:29 AM
      this man is soul spurting my life story

      can i get a witness
      • Re: temple whores

        Tue, June 16, 2009 - 9:33 AM
        im also seriouxly having balancing issues--
        how to ride smoothly when you interchange sacred intimacy
        and create a child
        and are deeply inlove
        but wont tell
        each other it?
        to release this attachment
        lose the drama
        keep my family together
        this 'hur golden vision
        not to be jealouase
        and let wounds that i am not capable to heal
        just yet myself
        be healed my sharing with another
        and not fear to never see thier face again
        or feel their lighting
        in this hur life
        to be patient and
        try not to wonder
        but all ways
        wander
        every
        which
        way
        but home
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    Re: temple whores

    Sun, March 22, 2009 - 9:01 PM
    I've always liked the name "sacred intimate". I think that gets closer to what would transpire between the partners involved. "Intimate" seems a more spiritually filled word to me.
  • Re: temple whores

    Sun, March 22, 2009 - 9:21 PM
    I'd agree with the prior poster too. I"m not sure I like the label/title either.
    • Re: temple whores

      Sun, March 22, 2009 - 11:07 PM
      Hah. The concept and "label/title" of Sacred Harlot, or Whore goes as far back as recorded history, to Sumerian times and the worship of Ishtar. I applaud Rain's choice to honor this term in the spirit that she describes, it needs no watering down.
      For centuries Sacred Harlots have been spiritual and physical links to the gods. This is true for all of the major and most minor religions. Sacred harlots have historically been housed in the temples and have used physical union and connection to build the spiritual connections with the universe and their god or gods, uplifting them physically, emotionally and spiritually.
      I have acted as Temple Guardian for many years in various aspects, but the most rewarding and uplifting for me personally has been that of Sacred Harlot.
      As a Thelemite I revere the union of the Great Beast and The Scarlet Woman, the Whore of Babylon...what need to mince words when the joy and power of this sacred union is clear to all who worship there!
      • Re: temple whores

        Mon, March 23, 2009 - 7:58 AM
        Yes but Rain's somewhat decided " f7888 u " attitude is pretty much lost on the ignorant who thrive on titles as guidepost to understanding whatever it is they're navigating. And personally I think the harlot verbiage is even a smidge decidedly better than whore.

        As you said yourself, " what need to mince words when the joy and power of this sacred union is clear to all who worship there! " .... the title is not for the initiated, it's for the ignorant to better understand and learn. So personally I find title important if only as a guidepost for the dumb, myself included
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          Mon, March 23, 2009 - 9:25 AM
          Fuck the uninitiated.
          Oh! I made a funny!
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            Mon, March 23, 2009 - 1:12 PM
            I often find to my frustration that Tribe discussions get so tracked into semantics, but alas, i guess that is the way it goes when one communicates in a format that is only using words.

            from the Random House dictionary

            Whore~n. Usually Contemptuous. a prostitute.

            Prostitute~n.1. a person, usually a woman, who engages in sexual intercourse for money. v.t. 2. to sell or offer (oneself) as a prostitute. 3. to put ones talent or ability to unworthy use.

            Sacred~ adj. 1. dedicated to a deity or to some religious purpose. 2. pertaining to or connected with religion. 3. reverently dedicated to some person or object. 4. regarded with reverence. 5. secured by reverence against violation.

            So it appears my terminology is a bit incongruous~adj. 1. out of keeping or place. 2. not harmonious in character. ~

            If upon a bit of explanation people (the uninitiated or whomever) still don't get what I am up to it is likely they are not going to worship at my temple and it is somewhat irrelevant to me personally. They may not wish to be "initiated" or "educated" which is as it should be. I only want to interact at this level with people who understand where I am coming from clearly, so there is no hurt feelings, and wish to participate. It is not a path that many will really understand and be drawn to. I can see that already.

            What I have learned so far...

            I tend to be a bit of an all or nothing sort of person. Historically I either loved someone completely or left it alone. I am enjoying discovering all the shades of gray.

            I am learning to see the God/Goddess in everyone because it is there, regardless of whether or not i am particularly attracted to someone on a purely physical level. It was enlightening to find out how superficial I can be. We are all divine.

            There's more, it's a pretty steep learning curve for me but those are the big things i am working on.

            If you can get past my terminology i would love to hear peoples experiences or thoughts. ( Not meaning it wasn't helpful discussing semantics, because that IS important, we use words all the time)

            Thanks to everyone who took the time to respond. I appreciate the feedback.
            • Re: temple whores

              Mon, March 23, 2009 - 2:53 PM
              Rain wrote: "I am learning to see the God/Goddess in everyone because it is there, regardless of whether or not i am particularly attracted to someone on a purely physical level. It was enlightening to find out how superficial I can be. We are all divine."

              This is one of the things a person can learn in the Tantric Panchmakara or Rite of the 5 Ms. Traditionally, this was not performed with a partner, but during a ritual where partners were selected by chance. If you participate you were expected to perform, even if you where not normally attracted to your partner.

              Learning to see the god/goddess in a partner to whom one is not normally attracted is incredibly liberating. You learn especially to transcend the concept of "I like the way my partner looks" and instead focus on "I'm honored to worship the god/dess."

              In my experience this leads to a far greater form of universal love for all people as manifestations of god/dess. I also find the concept of honoring/worshiping god/dess through physical sexuality far more interesting than the Roman Catholic concept of eating God's flesh and drinking His blood--and that's the most sacred part of the Mass!
      • Re: temple whores

        Mon, March 23, 2009 - 2:44 PM
        Ian wrote: "The concept and "label/title" of Sacred Harlot, or Whore goes as far back as recorded history, to Sumerian times and the worship of Ishtar."

        The concept is quite ancient, but the titles you gave do not. "Whore" is from Old English. "Harlot," originally meaning "vagabond," only became associated with the concept of prostitution in the 14th century (see the Online Etymological Dictionary). The term "sacred whore" was a pejorative created by up-tight Christian archeologists who couldn't understand the sacred practice.

        The notion of the practice being sacred is certainly found in ancient Hebrew. The male sacred priests who performed sexually with other men (possibly in Sumer, I forget right now) were called the Qedeshim. The root of the word is also the root of Qadosh, the Hebrew word that means sacred or holy. As I recall, Aleister Crowley used this as a pun in one of his writings.

        To say that the ancients called themselves "Sacred Harlots," as you imply, is like saying the ancient Pagans called themselves "Pagans" or "Celtic Witches." They didn't.
        • Re: temple whores

          Tue, June 16, 2009 - 9:41 AM
          i really enjoy reading your posts
          all ways always informative
          and articulate
          thanks for sharing
          • Re: temple whores

            Tue, June 16, 2009 - 3:13 PM
            A friend of mine, Laurelei Black, has written a book, "Aphrodite's Priestess," (Asteria Books; the new edition of a book formerly titled "In Her Service") which takes a modern look at this. The book is erudite without being boring, theoretical and practical. She is a true priestess of Aphrodite. She examines a variety of terms for women who service humanity and the Goddess with everything from discussion, training, and counseling to therapy, intimacy, and yes, sometimes sexual activity of all sorts, including intercourse.

            She analyzes different terms for this sacred profession: slut, whore, priestess, hierodule, quadishtu/qadesh, call girl, and courtesan, but ends up concluding that the best term, for her, is "Sacred Prostitute." She gives a lot of reasons for her choice of this term. I respect her choice, but due to my training (and my upbringing), I don't think the term "prostitute" is accurate.

            Today, if you go to any church, they collect money for the services. Synagogues traditionally don't collect money for the services, but want people to become paid members. Therapists collect money for their services. Police officers collect money, a salary, for their services. None are called prostitutes. IMO women (and men) who perform this sacred service are priestesses and priests.

            There are people who simply trade sexual favors for money of things. They are, indeed, prostitutes. I say that without any negative connotation to the term. However, I would say that simply slapping "sacred" in front of "whore" or "prostitute" doesn't really present what is going on. IMO, Priests and Priestesses focus on the spiritual aspects. Whores and prostitutes focus on the exchange of money.

            A priest or priestess is focused on the spiritual. In this discussion, it may deal with sexuality.
            A whore or prostitute focuses on the exchange of money for sex. It may or may not deal with spirituality.

            So for my friend Laurelei, Sacred Prostitute is it. I still don't like either Sacred Prostitute or Sacred Whore and prefer the simpler and precise term Priest or Priestess.

            YMMV
            • Re: temple whores

              Sat, October 24, 2009 - 11:37 AM
              " I still don't like either Sacred Prostitute or Sacred Whore and prefer the simpler and precise term Priest or Priestess."

              Me too.
  • Re: temple whores

    Tue, June 16, 2009 - 9:23 AM
    trud dat tru dat da da dat dat

    i with you on this but see my mind is changing as its figuring it....

    my last partner soul mate
    we created our sun instantaniously
    see he needed to come
    thru us to continue on

    some souls called down and mainfested with some of our very dear friends right here in this collected tribe

    well those spirits work
    on the other side
    bedoquins
    bring these messages
    strong*
    so this time now
    with babe on tit-
    im am entering a new phase
    of protection
    of manifestaion
    and how to
    engage
    soul interaction
    on a completly
    etheric
    senual
    spiritual
    vibration

    point being * listen and be aware of the lessons being presented so that we need not repeat pain suffering
    jah = love regardless of pain or passion its our interpretation and how we do right by it
  • Re: temple whores

    Fri, October 23, 2009 - 11:02 PM
    I like the formal Temple God-Is. I think Slut is beautiful, strong, honorable, powerful and magical. So I more often say Temple Slut. It's never only about sex or sexing or sexuality. It's a Being in the service of Life Force Energy in The Other. In whatever beautiful, creative, magical form it needs to take.

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