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Hi again...
I am making an effort to be more generalized, in the event someone should stumble upon my post!
I just want to thank you for leading me in the right direction, Dr Spock! I did some research on emotional abuse and all the symptoms match up exactly. As I inch closer to having the strength to begin "the End" and start a new beginning, I can see my daily circumstances in a new light.
Now I am taking note and documenting the instances of control and abuse and criticism. Yesterday's two episodes were finally something I could recognize quickly. Before, I would actually either believe the cricism, try to understand it or just live with the horrible degradation and insult that it placed upon me. Now, I can spot it, record it and dismiss it!! Yay! Thank you DS for giving me the guidance to see my way through this mess. And having been able to correspond with the limerence group, I am also being given the encouragement I need to realize that my children are not benefitting from this environment.
I am still afraid of what is to come, but I am finally able to visualize it and know that I am doing the best thing for the health of me and my children.
I am making an effort to be more generalized, in the event someone should stumble upon my post!
I just want to thank you for leading me in the right direction, Dr Spock! I did some research on emotional abuse and all the symptoms match up exactly. As I inch closer to having the strength to begin "the End" and start a new beginning, I can see my daily circumstances in a new light.
Now I am taking note and documenting the instances of control and abuse and criticism. Yesterday's two episodes were finally something I could recognize quickly. Before, I would actually either believe the cricism, try to understand it or just live with the horrible degradation and insult that it placed upon me. Now, I can spot it, record it and dismiss it!! Yay! Thank you DS for giving me the guidance to see my way through this mess. And having been able to correspond with the limerence group, I am also being given the encouragement I need to realize that my children are not benefitting from this environment.
I am still afraid of what is to come, but I am finally able to visualize it and know that I am doing the best thing for the health of me and my children.
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Re: The Beginning of the End
Thu, August 5, 2010 - 8:59 AMHi miz,
I've been in your shoes. It is awful. Please remember that whatever it is he says to you or does to you, you don't deserve it - you didn't earn it.
It is the beginning of the end for me too. We just sold our house... That was my step 1. Step 2 is getting a nicely paying job so I can be comfortable when I leave. Step 3, the hard part, is telling him I'm leaving. He doesn't know it is coming.
One step at a time...
It is scary. But between all this with my marriage and Limerence I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to having a man-free life for a while. Maybe I should say a roMANce-free life :) When it comes to that area, I am thread bare to the point of numbness.
I take lots of deep breaths these days.
rd
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Re: The Beginning of the End
Tue, August 10, 2010 - 11:44 PMHi RD! wow....sounds like we are in a similar predicament. i too have a step by step plan...but mine is very, very complicated and involved. Many ducks must be put in a row before anything can be done...thus I am in a state of limbo and the hardship sometimes seems more than I can bear...it is such a long road. But it helps to know others are going through the same thing and are actually making it through. i am very glad for you that your house sold and your step number 1 is done!
I completely agree with you about step number three....the telling him part. That is going to be the hardest step of all. Mine seems pretty clueless too...altho I have made no attempts to sugarcoat my pain...we are so distant and are at odds with each other each and every single day. I feel we truly do not even like each other any more. It is a sad state of affairs.
I'll keep you in my thoughts as you plug along and get through your own difficulties. Hang in there! =)
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Re: The Beginning of the End
Mon, August 23, 2010 - 3:01 AMMiz:
All the negativity brings more stress which is bad for you, raises blood pressure, is as bad or worse for you than smoking. Try to eat very healthy, go for walks or get other exercise everyday. It does not need to be strenuous, but something.
Try initially telling him marriage is supposed to be happy, and you can see he is not happy with you, nor you happy with him. At least try asking him if this what he wants in a marriage. I think you can say it is not what you hoped for. When he's insulting, ignore it, and ask if he wants you to be critical like that with him. Ask if he thinks you like it. Those might make him a little more sensitive.
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Re: The Beginning of the End
Mon, August 23, 2010 - 1:30 PMLarry, this comes off a little like advice from a magazine column. I know it's well intended, but it just plays around the edges and avoids the real issues. This group is about the big question: stay or go? -
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Re: The Beginning of the End
Mon, August 23, 2010 - 2:19 PMAh, didn't see this post Meowbie. You got me exactly! My feelings and desires to know the answer to the big fat looming question: Stay or Go. It is daily torture for me. I live in hell. And I saw John's post today at Limerence Experienced about his LO and him being discovered and how she has gone sudden NC and in an effort to salvage her marriage for the sake of the kids.
I do have to remind myself that my predicament is probably much different than hers, because JOhn says nothing of emotional, mental abuse or the like...ie...when SO has blocked me/prevented me from leaving a room on many occasions. And the constant control and walking on pins and needles. I live in misery daily. Perhaps John's LO had just "fallen out of love". My love fell out after years of constant mental anguish. I am not one to go for the "I fell out of love" path. There has to be something more than that, as a reason. I could probably go on with him, if it was simply a "fall out of love thing", despite how miserable that is in itself. But for the sake of my kids, I would.
However, my circumstances are much more negative and the control factor, the constant criticism is what I cannot live with. Not to mention his poor decisions and lack of helping me when I need it. Even that is not all of it. I fear he has based part of his own reasons for being married to me, with possible future financial gain. He has taken advantage of my family's generosity and has been horribly irresponsible for a decade and a half. The only thing we ever had, I feel was, in the beginning at least, a fun friendship, that wasn't as fun once his risk taking ways managed to negatively affect our lives.
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Re: The Beginning of the End
Mon, August 23, 2010 - 2:02 PMThank you Larry, I will do that....I realize I need to be more vocal about my grievances. He has Never caught onto any of my Not Quite So Subtle Hints. But, whenever I do try to be black and white he will instantly rebut, put up defenses and argue to the point of by the end of it all, the blame is pointed back at me, and what I was trying to explain to him was something he does that is disrespectful to me, will end up being my fault. ie...if he does anything it is my fault he does it. The whole focus will change from him to me. To the point where I don't want to bother voicing anything anymore. I don't have the energy. He, on the other hand, has Lots of energy to pick on me. I am always doing something wrong on a daily basis. I don't know how to get away from the negativity from my SO....I live in constant fear of doing/saying the wrong thing. I realize how unhealthy this is.
And I have a true Limerence Love (mutual LO), as you know, waiting in the wings, who picked me out while I was ripe for the taking. I should say I hunted him down too. But not with the intention of beginning any kind of affair (ie emotional or physical), however, when he disclosed, it was all over. Perhaps I really did want to start something subliminally, as I was all used up and spent by my SO and probably was looking for a way out. But like many people who wind up in these situations....it is the kids that cause me to relentlessly despair over the fact that I shouldn't go after true happiness and I should remain and suffer. I am exhausted from being in a state of limbo and am also not happy with the irresistable draw between me and LO while I have an SO to deal with. I don't know what to do.
I saw John's post today (massage LO)....and his lady has a whole new set of problems to deal with now after being discovered/found out by her DS, while trying to repair her marriage for the sake of the kids. I have a chance to stop this before it progresses further...to at least if anything, get my life sorted out, without the distraction of an LO. Then if I end up split from SO and alone, then I will be alone and fully available for LO. I debate many times, the power of LO: on one hand he has caused me to open my eyes to the abuse from SO and has caused me to see what true love looks like. But on the other hand, he is causing me to face the truths of my marriage while also blinding me by his indescribable love, which could ultimately seriously damage my kids and destroy a home. So, while I practically worship him, at the same time, he seems like the devil to me. Problem is that I cannot resist LO. If I end up not seeing him for 2 weeks, I am in serious pain.
NC would kill us both.
And while I feel I deserve happiness and love from the one who truly loves me, I feel convicted that I am not going about it the right way.
I wish SO would find an LO or do something violent so I could have an excuse. Although I believe his controlling ways are just another form of abuse.
Present circumstances, however, prevent me from being able to make a move in any direction....(cannot split from SO and cannot get any more serious with LO - even though it is already serious)...I have personal business matters that must be completed first.
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Re: The Beginning of the End
Mon, August 23, 2010 - 9:57 PMHi Miz:
I haven't read your posts in the Limerence tribe, but I can share my experience. My LO was the catalyst which gave me the strength to leave. Fortunately there wasn't reciprocation at the time with my LO. I soon realized that it wasn't about her at all (the LO) but more about the sad state of my marriage (not saying this is your case). After I separated and moved away, I determined that it would never work with my LO., the real person, not the symbol. I'm now in a mutually satisfying relationship with someone I didn't know existed before I left. My Limerence Tribe friends were a big help to me.
I guess all I want to say is that when you leave, a whole world of possibility will open up before you. Try to view your LO realistically and allow yourself some time and space before committing to another relationship.
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Re: The Beginning of the End: Step 2
Thu, September 16, 2010 - 11:59 AMI am now officially in Step 2: Getting a Job that will support me.
Ok, well, not exactly. But I did apply for a part timer at a local sporting goods/outdoors store. I am still in temporary living quarters and thus major life upheaval. I can't do 8-5 just yet. And outdoor gear is my kind of thing, so it shouldn't take too much brain power. Or ambition.
But, even better, I just registered in a free-lance writing/editing pool and applied for my first writing job. This at least has potential to be something substantial later - or at least good resume padding.
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Re: The Beginning of the End: Step 2
Sat, September 18, 2010 - 8:32 PMHmmm.... Different forum. All I can say for sure is that it will take time. -
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Re: The Beginning of the End: Step 2
Sun, September 19, 2010 - 4:54 AMLOL Yep, different forum. But same advice. More time. :) -
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Re: The Beginning of the End: Step 2
Tue, September 21, 2010 - 12:02 PMHi RD,
Congrats on getting closer to your goal. Is that still your goal? Find a job and leave SO?
My path has been continuing to reveal itself to me as I tread these treacherous waters. I have finally discovered that I need to get OUT of the harmful drowning water and get myself on dry land again.
I have come to know that my SO's abuse went far beyond just being controlling. It is much worse.
So, I have work to do but I have a clearer picture and my LO is there for me every step of the way....even tho I have pulled back the reigns to say that I cannot handle 2 relationships at one time. He didn't like it but is willing to accept whatever it takes to make me happy. And he makes me happy and loves me and I love him like no other. But I need to make sure nothing clouds my present judgement. So, since I have distanced myself somewhat from LO, I have been able to talk this out with friends and family and all my online friends and plan to see a real life counselor for the first time this week.
It is so not healthy to remain in a bad situation. I hope you are doing what is best for you! Good luck finding just the right job! (and maybe that will be just the "Write" job! You would be a great writer! Go get 'em!!! )
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Re: The Beginning of the End: Step 2
Tue, September 21, 2010 - 12:37 PMI completely forgot to respond to your actual question!:
"Other than just sheer force of will, does anyone have any ideas on how to regain the energy, motiviation and ambition that limerence robbed from me? "
I can completely relate to the lack of energy, lack of motivation, lack of ambition.! SHEEEEESH! I have never been in such a FUNK in my entire 40 years!! It is nuts!
I think we should bring this up in the Limerence group...it is an excellent question. I too, need to know this answer as I am sucked dry of nearly all ability to be productive. I struggle just to juggle my family and kids, but have to do something about a job and helping support my family (since my SO did not do so for 15 yrs and we find ourselves in an incredible sinking hole of debt!)
I know exactly how you feel!
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Re: The Beginning of the End
Mon, September 27, 2010 - 4:50 PMYes, documenting the abuse with dates, times, and the abuse suffered is a big help. Word of warning, however: it can be scary at how quickly the documentation piles up; you begin to see just how much you have suffered.
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Re: The Beginning of the End
Wed, November 10, 2010 - 8:40 AMHi Miz,
Having a pile of friends that went through divorce, I've learned a a few things:
Divorce is like losing your arm. You'll never be the same. (BUT maybe better) and you'll survive.
1. If possible see a marriage counselor. It's possible there might be a fix for your current marriage problem. However, seeing a therapist will also give you the details of what will occur emotionally with yourself and your kids. IMHO it's better to know what your in for. You might seek help even if you SO will not.
2. If you still are moving forward with your plan, you must seek legal advice. Even if you folks decide that you will mutually work out the details, you must know your options. There will be issues like a legal separation which limits your financial responsibility. Spousal support. Child support. Division of property. ect.
Then work out your plan. You need a well thought out plan for yourself and your children. These things take time. There is nothing like a good plan.
The biggest variable is what will the other person do when divorce is imminent. This is a reason to figure out the details with some type of counsel before you plan is begun.