miracle mineral solution MMS

topic posted Tue, April 15, 2008 - 7:22 PM by  nieves
Has any one had any experience or developed an opinion about this stuff?

Our healer friend sold some to my husband, I did a little research and got weirded out. After doing some more research and speaking to this fellow some more I'm going to give it a try....still I'd love to hear about some personal experience.

all the best,

Nieves
posted by:
nieves
SF Bay Area
  • Re: miracle mineral solution MMS

    Wed, June 11, 2008 - 11:22 AM
    I'm going to reply to my own post. Someone messaged me asking my experience and I thought I would share my opinion with you all.

    I don't know., it's really weird stuff. I did a couple doses of it and then found out I was
    pregnant so I stopped. I did a bunch of research about it and came to the opinion that I would
    wait and see if the fad sticks. There are so many questionable health fads that come and go
    and I believe this is one that might go. So my current attitude is to wait and see.

    • Re: miracle mineral solution MMS

      Sun, June 15, 2008 - 4:25 PM
      Can you be more specific...what is the mms? does it come in a bottle, where is it purchased? etc.
      • Re: miracle mineral solution MMS

        Sat, July 26, 2008 - 10:52 AM
        yes, I can. It came in a blue plastic bottle. We purchased it from our acupuncturist/healer.

        We did the "mms protocol where you mix the solution with citric acid and then ingest it. When mixed with citric acid it turns into chlorine dioxide and that's the part I find creepy. I'm still curious if any one has had any experience with this even though I am not using it.


        The following explanation comes from mmsmiracle.com,.

        "About MMS - The Miracle Mineral Solution

        Miracle Mineral Solution is a 28% solution of sodium chlorite in distilled water. Miracle Mineral Solution is a water purification product. It is not a mineral supplement nor is it sold as a mineral supplement of any kind. Though often referred to in acronym (i.e. "MMS"), an important distinction must be made between Miracle Mineral Solution and the "MMS Protocol" established by chemist and metallurgist Jim Humble and detailed exhaustively in his book, "Breakthrough, the Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century". When Miracle Mineral Solution is activated such as detailed in Jim Humble's protocol (1:5 drop solution using vinegar with 5% acetic acid or greater, lemon or lime juice, or a 10% solution of citric acid), the chemical compound chlorine dioxide is produced. If your privately intended use for Miracle Mineral Solution is to activate it in accordance with Jim Humble's protocol, it is advised you read Mr. Humble's book and/or study various third party resources which are made available here for your safety. "
        • Re: miracle mineral solution MMS

          Sat, July 26, 2008 - 6:57 PM
          Any product which claims to be "The answer to AIDS, hepatitis A,B and C, malaria, herpes, TB, most cancers" is 1) over-stating the truth and 2) should be suspect for touting "Silver Bullet Cure" status.

          My boyfriend is in Stem Cell research at Fred Hutch / UW and he went on a "paper" database attempting to find
          some conclusive studies online and was unable to do so. He thinks to wait for studies to publish.

          That said, if you want to believe all the seeming hype online (and most descriptions are typed verbatim at each site)
          I suppose the worst that can happen is you'll get violently ill at which point drinking water and vomiting is supposed
          to "help" (according to some site that hocks the stuff). Or die? dunno. Who is to say how each person will react
          to the stuff?

          Frankly, if I had to worry about taking more than a 1/2 tsp of something lest I get violently ill.....well....I wouldn't consider
          ingesting it - and so, I'd avoid this stuff. But, that is my personal opinion.

          I wonder now if all those years of drinking swimming pool water during the summer were actually good for me!
          ha ha sorry, I couldn't resist! ; )

          I found this on a site called "Naked Scientists" (podcast transcript)
          ***********
          OK, lets have a look at that web page: bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml...+refs.htm

          The first thing it says is "Nothing in this article is intended as medical advice.
          No claims, promises nor guarantees are made" Interesting.

          Then "This procedure rapidly eliminates malaria and other infectious agents in only one dose."
          That's a claim, so one of the first things it says is a lie. So far, I'm not impressed.

          Then it says "Chlorine dioxide (ClO2) is highly reactive with thiols, polyamines, purines, certain amino acids and iron, all of which are necessary for the growth and survival of pathogenic microbes."

          This is true enough. Of course, since all of those things are needed to grow microbes and there are microbes in the gut ,we have a problem. Any ClO2 in the gut would instantly react with one or more of those compounds- it would never get any further ( it would be destroyed in the mouth if it were there long enough).Incidentally it also reacts with hydrochloric acid which is also present in the stomach.

          Malaria is a relapsing disease- it comes and goes. If you have malaria and take snake oil it will sometimes look as if it has worked. Together with mankind's ability to believe in what they want to happen, you can see how the section on "discovery" makes sense.

          Then there are about 40 references that tell you that malaria is bad and what ClO2 is. Nice comprehensive background but of no real importance. Looks impressive, but doesn't actually tell you much, I mean what does "The Three-Electron Bond in Chlorine Dioxide. "
          have to do with malaria?.

          Then there's a section headed "OXIDANTS AS PHYSIOLOGIC AGENTS"
          It includes their rather telling observation that "Some work has been done using dilute solutions of sodium chlorite internally to treat fungal infections, chronic fatigue, and cancer; however, little has been published in that regard". Well, positive results tend to get published so what does that say to you?

          Then there is another batch of only vaguely related references- things like "The Use Of Ozone In Medicine, " and "Decreased level of 2,3-diphosphoglycerate and alteration of structural integrity in erythrocytes infected with Plasmodium falciparum in vitro."
          I'd love to see why someone thinks the first of those might be relevant to the use of chlorite- it's an entirely different chemical.
          At least the second is about the malaria parasite (Plasmodium falciparum ) but it's a report of someone having measured the
          effect (in a test tube ( in vitro)) on the levels some rather obscure chemical in red blood cells. That's worthy enough in its way, but it has nothing to do with using chlorite to treat malaria.

          There are a few references like this one "Interferon-gamma activates the oxidative killing of Candida albicans by human
          granulocytes. This appears like it may might be relevant but oxidative killing of foreign cells by the body is one of its major defense mechanisms. It uses peroxy compounds- not ClO2.


          Then there's a section headed "OXIDES OF CHLORINE AS DISINFECTANTS"
          And a whole list of references saying that chlorine and its oxides are useful disinfectants. There are two things to note here. Firstly none of these refers to malaria or plasmodium- which is a bit of a shame if you are trying to say this stuff kills them. Secondly it's not news to anyone that strong oxidants kill bacteria etc. When Domestos advertised itself as "Kills all known germs. Dead." they were perfectly
          correct. (They didn't say that the same claim could be made by any bleach based product- but who can blame them).

          Unfortunately you can't drink bleach and expect it to kill harmful bacteria. It's too reactive- all you will do is damage your stomach because the cells of the stomach are just as susceptible to bleach poisoning as the bacteria are. The same is true of ClO2.

          Then there's a section called "MALARIA IS OXIDANT SENSITIVE"
          Which is true- so what? too high an oxygen concentration kills people.
          Then there's lots of references, but none of them involves ClO2. There's a reason for that. The malaria parasite lives (at least some of the time) inside blood cells. If you add bleach or ClO2 you destroy the cells- so the malaria parasite is now "homeless".Its not a sensible test.

          Trawling on there's a section about "TARGETING THIOLS"
          Unfortunately,
          1
          that's what arsenic does- so it's not really a good start and
          2
          ClO2 doesn't really do it- it's a strong oxidant and atacks pretty much the first thing it meets.

          Again there's a whole lot of references that don't say much.


          Then we have "HEME IS AN OXIDANT SENSITIZER"
          Now that looks promising. The malaria parasite hangs out in red blood cells and there's a lot of heme in them. If the heme makes the oxidants more effective then it might like the bugs. TWO problems- if it makes the stuff more toxic in blood cells then most of what it kills will be blood cells. Not really what you want and also, remember way back at the begining I said that the stuff would be destroyed in the mouth and stomach. Well, just how much is going to get as far as the blood? How about none? Then there's the usual run of references to make it look scientific.


          We then come to "OVERCOMING ANTIBIOTIC RESISTANCE WITH OXIDATION"
          Well, if this stuff kills malaria on its own we don't need to use the antibiotics. It seems they just admitted their claim was false.
          Then they list a few pages more references to make it look good.


          Then we come to the real killer (literally)
          I will quote this in full
          "SOME INCOMPATIBILITIES
          Acidified sodium chlorite could provide a powerful new opportunity to improve or to restore sensitivity to quinolines by virtue of its oxidative power. However, quinolines contain secondary or tertiary amino groups which react with chlorine dioxide in such a way that both could destroy each other. Some possible strategies to resolve this incompatibility are suggested below.
          Acidified sodium chlorite could be used as explained above only as a solo therapy.
          Quinoline administration could be withheld until after the acidified sodium chorite has completed its action.
          Patients already preloaded with a quinoline could stop this, wait a suitable period of time for this to wash out, then administer the acidified sodium chlorite.
          The quinoline could remain in use and while the less active sodium chlorite is administered without acid. This should retain plenty of oxidant effectiveness without destroying any quinoline or wasting too much oxidant.
          Switch from a quinoline to an endoperoxide (such as artemisinin) or to a quinone (such as atovaquone) before using acidified sodium chlorite, as these may be less sensitive toward destruction by chlorine dioxide.
          Similar problems apply to methylene blue and many other drugs if they have an unoxidized sulfur atom, a phenol group, a secondary amine or a tertiary amine. Such are also very reactive with the chlorine dioxide component. [58a] "


          Ok what that says is that the ClO2 reacts with some of the drugs used in (legitimate) treatment of malaria.
          What they sugest doing about that is reckless if not criminal.
          "Acidified sodium chlorite could be used as explained above only as a solo therapy.
          Quinoline administration could be withheld until after the acidified sodium chorite has completed its action. "

          They suggest using only this rubbish on its own and, if needs be, withdrawing treatment with an effective drug.

          Yes, that's really what it means they are saying that you should stop taking drugs that are known to work to treat malaria and take their impossible remedy instead.

          Does anyone care what the particular problems with the rest of their page are?
          • Re: miracle mineral solution MMS

            Mon, July 28, 2008 - 4:17 PM
            Great post singularity
            • Re: miracle mineral solution MMS

              Wed, July 30, 2008 - 2:17 PM
              yeah, sounds great doesn't it?
              • Re: miracle mineral solution MMS

                Wed, July 30, 2008 - 2:26 PM
                Nieves,

                May I ask for what ailment you were seeking to possibly remedy with this stuff?

                ~S
                • Re: miracle mineral solution MMS

                  Wed, July 30, 2008 - 6:53 PM
                  It was for my husband, he has gnarly toenail fungus and it seems like it may be a systemic thing. So that's why it was suggested and sold to him.

                  I was skeptical from the start especially after doing research and only finding information about the stuff from people who sell it, that never seems like a good sign. Plus it smells really weird when you mix it with the citric acid.

                  Then one day after reading how it was going to make me super duper healthy and wax my floor and rotate my tires I thought what the heck I have it here I'm going to try it. I did a dose or two and then found out I was pregnant, so I stopped immediately.

                  p.s. I have a whole bottle available, if any one feels the uncontrollable urge to try it.

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                    Re: miracle mineral solution MMS

                    Wed, July 30, 2008 - 7:25 PM
                    You are funny!

                    if you've not tried already, may i recommend having him take IP-6 Inositol along with Turmeric (applying
                    Turmeric topically, as a paste, is helpful too). Grapefruit Seed Extract , internally and externally is also a good addition

                    Has he been officially diagnosed with onychomycosis?
                    • Re: miracle mineral solution MMS

                      Thu, July 31, 2008 - 12:01 AM
                      Thank you for the new tips!

                      We haven't tried what your suggesting, I'm happy to hear of a new direction to explore.

                      What we have done without success is a very concentrated essential oil topical treatment daily for about 6 months and then straight tea tree topically twice daily. In addition we did Usnea tincture for about 6 months. These treatments didn't make it go away though it hasn't gotten worse, so that's something.

                      Yes, he has been officially diagnosed and was prescribed the hardcore treatment (I'm forgetting the name right now) but he wasn't thrilled by the list of possible side effects and stuff so we're trying to clear it up with other methods.

                      I'll look into your suggestions and let you all know if we have success.

                      Thanks again.
                      • Re: miracle mineral solution MMS

                        Thu, July 31, 2008 - 7:29 AM
                        Have you also tried a (possibly radical) diet change? Sometimes fungus issues can be exacerbated by the amount of sugar and sugar-like substances in the diet. And some yeasts, too. (So, watch for all the -oses: fructose, glucose, lactose, etc.)
                        • Re: miracle mineral solution MMS

                          Thu, July 31, 2008 - 3:23 PM
                          well.....yes and no.


                          He's pretty much completely off HFCS and processed sugars. But that man is a total fruit bat, there is no way he'll give up fruit, and I gotta say I feel ok about that.

                          I have noticed a huge difference in his breath and general body smell after quitting crappy sugars, so it feels like a good start.

                          He's also avoiding white flour with pretty good success.
                          • Re: miracle mineral solution MMS

                            Thu, July 31, 2008 - 3:24 PM
                            oh, and thank you for responding!
                            • Re: miracle mineral solution MMS

                              Thu, July 31, 2008 - 4:55 PM
                              ....and Terramin clay may help as well. I've been taking it for some time now (buy from California Earth Minerals)
                              with some terrific overall results. It is a good general detox and improves ph balance / alkalinity which, when out of
                              whack, can also affect the bodies susceptibility to yeast, fungus et al

                              His problem is definitely systemic so treating internally (as you know) will be essential.

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