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Staph/MRSA

topic posted Thu, February 28, 2008 - 8:47 AM by  Ablissa
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I was reading on the Burning Woman tribe today about staph infections. And thought I'd start a thread on this. My BF came back with staph after working down in New Orleans doing Katrina clean up. As contagious as it is, I ended up getting it too. For 7 months I struggled with it, in addition to other sicknesses. I was so sick that year, getting every germ that seemed to float by me, including the freakin' mumps. My immune system just couldn't recover. I ended up with cellulitis too which is when I finally went to the Dr. for antibiotics. The antibiotics didn't treat the staph however, and I proceeded to drop all extra-curricular activity from my life to reduce stress and work on a recovery plan. It took well over a year to regain healthy stability. I've been on extra Vitamin C, a good multi-vitamin, nearly eliminated sugar from my diet. I do daily meditation to reduce daily mental stress, get plenty of sleep, etc. But the BF is still getting staph....2 years later. I stay away physically so I don't get it back. He takes his multi-vitamin, and does an echinacea and vitamin C regimen too. He went to the Dr. several weeks ago, and they did a physical to make sure everything else was ok. The test results all came out normal. The Dr. said to just use some Neosporin.

So what else can he be doing? I realize that staph is one of the biggest medical issues we have going around right now. But has anyone had any success with anything else?
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Ablissa
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  • I've just been interacting with a neighbor about this...she has small sores all over her body that she says her alleopath told her is a staff infection. The alleopath gave her antibiotics which did not address it; they did ascertain that it is not MRSA. So she says.

    Have you looked at environmental factors for irritants and reinfection issues? Check your soaps, your laundry detergents, etc; I've seen folks with beaten down immune systems become distressingly sensitive to things like that, even if they were fine with them before. Might also be worth your while to have a manic cleaning of your living environment---don't forget your transportation and immediate work site---whether that's you, you and your partner, you and some friends, or a professional cleaning service. I mean a REAL deep cleaning, including washing walls and ceilings and heating ducts.

    I'm also recommending to my neighbor that she ramp up on zinc, and see about a rosemary or goldenseal bath every day. She assures me her alleopath has the situation in hand :-/. The vitamin C is good, too...be sure you are taking a time released one, tho!
    • The small sores...yes, that's what he mostly has now. They were singular and big, coming one or two at a time, but now he'll have many at once that are just small and mostly located on his legs and waist. We thought the winter layers were being a skin irritant, so he's trying to wear looser clothing.

      I'll look closer at the soaps. He likes to soak in the tub. I've heard epsom salts be recommended. I wonder if I can get him to soak in the goldenseal. I remember having to do that as a kid when I had really bad poison ivy.

      The Vitamin C is in the form of Immune Defense EmergenC, alternated with just the regular EmergenC 1000 mg. several times a day.
      Thanks for the feedback.
      • I have successfully treated staph before. Unfortunately I need to get to class but i will be back with the combination I used.
        • Unsu...
           
          wow sentient! way to leave us hanging! haha

          That's like on the news when they freak you out about the next 'have to see' headline before the commercial break. "in further news, instant DEATH has been associated with a product you and your family may be using at home right now... We'll have the report, and traffic, when we get back..."

          yea...we'll wait for you to get out of class...
  • On the outbreak I had years ago, I applied directly onto the sores: first cayenne pepper, second golden seal, on top of that honey (need I say real honey?). Golden seal has become a forgotten herb over recent years. I've used it on bad knife cuts and had no scarring, when I've had really bad colds or flu, etc. with excellent results. It tastes pretty bad so for internal use I cap it.
    • I recently worked with a woman who had a severe infection on her legs. We addressed it from multiple perspectives:
      1. topical: Goldenseal, Echinacea and Usnea spray. Sprayed on topically as often as possible.
      2. internally strenghtening the digestive system which is at the heart of immune health. Kefir ingested 1-2 cups daily as well as other fermented foods ie miso, real saurkraut, real pickles etc. .
      3. Linden flower infusions to keep circulation moving and reduce any affiliated inflamation.
      Hope that is helpful.
      Blessings
      Linda
      • OK. Back.
        Some of my formula has already been touched on.

        There are a few things to consider. First is that Staph concentrates in pockets of infection causing blisters, and you should topically attack the infection at those sites. Second, staph travels through the blood, so you must also internally take blood cleansers that are anti-biotic in the blood. Third, staph causes over inflammation to create the blisters that it makes its home inside, so you must also use anti-inflammatory agents both topically and internally. Any successful treatment regardless of what medicine you use must address all 3 points.

        The bandages I made were unfortunately messy. If I had a small lab, I could perhaps concentrate extracts into a pad of salve, but I had to make do with a general salve and powders.


        Topically I used a general wound salve (With aloe and comfrey), goldenseal powder, Echinacea powder, and tea tree oil.

        Internally I gave *Very* large amounts of Turmeric to be consumed internally for its anti-inflammatory and blood cleansing properties. Also, Goldenseal and Echinacea internally, along wit Cats Claw. However, there are other blood cleansing herbs I would have used if I had them.


        Of course with this diet you need to add probiotics to the diet to keep the flora in check, avoid simple sugars and milk. I had great results with this formula.
        • I agree with the previous points about internal care and the topical treatments sound great too.
          I would add that Tea Tree oil is very effective against antibiotic resistant staph. From research and experience I suggest applying tea tree. Douse the spot at the first sign of infection or as soon as you hear this bit of advice. Consistent application (at least twice a day) was very effective in my experience.
          good luck.
          • Yep, tea tree was an important part of the topical mixture.


            Im almost thinking about making pads that are soaked in tea tree oil, perhaps using the tea tree to extract the goldenseal and turmeric before applying it.
            • Just another perspective, I have not found tea tree to oil to be as effective as goldenseal topically. Another suggestion is you may want to read Stephen Buhners book Herbal Antibiotics. It is a really good resource.
              Blessings
              Linda
              • Goldenseal is amazing stuff, and potent even in whole powder form.

                All the research suggests that tea tree is effective against staph though. I use it in conjunction with the other herbs.


                Hydrogen perioxide helps somewhat topically as well.
  • Thanks everyone for all the replies!!
    We never had much luck with the Tea Tree oil applications, but I forgot about the goldenseal...something he used during the original outbreaks two years ago.
    • There is a bunch of science on the tea tree oil side- well-done studies that show it to be very effecfive against MRSA topically. We had a staph scare at our welding shop last summer and I used it in a spray bottle with alcohol and colloidal silver (which I don't normally pay much attention to). I agree on the need to address systemic infection though with internal stuff.

      Turmeric is a really amazing anti-inflammatory so I can see how that would help systemically, it's barely been explored for some uses like this.

      Also, what do you guys think about alternatives to goldenseal, since it's so endangered? Oregon grape works in place of goldenseal for many uses. Could this be this one of them?
      • Maybe somebody should try the Oregon grade and report back. Im forgetting the name of the Chinese herb thats supposed to work similar.
      • Actually, I do have concern about Goldenseal and it's endangered status, so I rarely use it. But, I have tried oregon grape and it does not have the same effect. It is more than the berberine in Goldenseal that renders it effective against infection, topically. For staph infection it is one of the best options. It actually is not effective systemically and I would not use it, as it is in popular use, to treat colds, flus etc.

        The studies do report tea tree oil as effective, but I have had at least 100 or more people tell me that it was not effective for them. It makes me skepitcal.

        Blessings
        Linda
        • I also used GSE for this along with the colloidal silver and tea tree oil, figuring that topically it can't be bad. I haven't made up my mind about GSE or colloidal silver in general for other kinds of infections, though.
          • Another study, this time on honey.
            This is an in-vitro study, of course:


            www.sciencedirect.com/science

            Summary

            Community-associated methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (CA-MRSA) has now been described globally, as a clinically significant pathogen, particularly associated with skin and soft tissue infections, including abscesses, cellulitis and furunculosis.

            The recent emergence of CA-MRSA combined with its predominant presentation associated with skin and soft tissue infection, the previous literature indicating honey as an effective treatment of healthcare-associated HA-MRSA-related wound infection, as well as honey's ease of topical application, make the current study timely and of interest to healthcare practitioners involved with wound management.

            Although previous studies have examined the antimicrobial activity of honey against HA-MRSA, such data are limited regarding the activity of honey against this emerging type of MRSA.

            CA-MRSA (n=6 isolates), was examined for its susceptibility to natural honey (n=3 honey produced from bees in Northern Ireland and one commercial French honey).

            Results demonstrated that all honey was able to reduce the cultural count of all CA-MRSA from approximately 106 colony-forming units (cfus) (mean=6.46 log10 cfu/g) to none detectable within 24 h of co-culture of separate CA-MRSA organisms individually with all four-honey types examined.

            Subsequent non-selective enrichment of honey demonstrated that inoculated honey remained positive for CA-MRSA until 72 h postinoculation, after which point no culturable organisms could be detected.

            This study demonstrated that, in vitro, these natural products had an antimicrobial activity against the CA-MRSA organisms tested.

            Further studies are now required to demonstrate if this antimicrobial activity has any clinical application.


            Keywords: Community; MRSA; Honey; Antibiotic resistance; Novel; Cellulitis; Wound; Diabetic foot ulcer


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  • What about garlic?
    I've found several articles online regarding allicin being very effective. I've read a suggested 24 cloves a day. wow.

    We're now doing tea tree oil topically.
    1000 mgs of Vit C 3-5x's a day
    Rainbow Light multi-vit
    Nature's Way goldenseal -internally , 1 570mg cap every 2 hours (fighting 3 large ones at the moment)
    and I've added Kyolic Garlic-2 capsules every 2 hours.

    Can I up the goldenseal dosage? No kidney issues that I'm aware of.
  • I've seen "Cleavers" come up a couple of times too. What is that?

    From a website:

    * Garlic (Allium sativum). This herb is believed to have anitbacterial properties. Herbalists recommend consuming three garlic cloves or three garlic oil capsules a day, starting when symptoms of infection first appear.

    * Cleavers (Galium aparine). This anti-inflammatory herb is believed to support the lymphatic system. It may be taken internally to help heal staph abscesses and reduce swelling of the lymph nodes. A cleavers compress can also be applied directly to a skin infection.

    * Goldenseal (Hydrastis canadensis). Another herb believed to fight infection and reduce imflammation, goldenseal may be taken internally when symptoms of infection first appear. Skin infections can be treated by making a paste of water and powdered goldenseal root and applying it directly to the affected area. The preparation should be covered with a clean bandage and left in place overnight.

    * Echinacea (Echinacea spp.). Taken internally, this herb is believed to have antibiotic properties and is also thought to strengthen the immune system.

    * Thyme (Thymus vulgaris), lavender (Lavandula officinalis), or bergamot (Citrus bergamot) oils. These oils are believed to have antibacterial properties and may help to prevent the scarring that may result from skin infections. A few drops of these oils are added to water and then a compress soaked in the water is applied to the affected area.

    * Tea tree oil (Melaleuca spp.). Another infection-fighting herb, this oil can be applied directly to a boil or other skin infection.
    • My 10 month old daughter has a round 1 inch sore on her shoulder which goes through a cycle of being a red slightly raised patch-becoming inflammed and sweating fluid, then becoming very itchy as it crusts over - doc said it was "just eczema", but I requested a swab recently which came back 2 days ago saying it was infected with MRSA. She also has hands that become inflammed and severely itchy at nighttime. She will itch till they bleed. He wants her to go on oral antibiotics for the staph on the shoulder. She'd had this patch on her shoulder for about 4 1/2 - 5 months and I'd tried applying numerous things on it over that period of time, not realising it was MRSA. On their own topically for about a week at a time: Coconut oil, olive oil, aloe vera, calendula-flax-cream, chickweed-melaleuca cream, burdock root tea topical applications, calendula moisturising cream. Internally for about 3 weeks: Lactobacillus rhamnosus GG special "Eczema" probiotic and Evening primrose oil and flaxseed and fish oils; Cod liver oil on and off maybe once or twice a week 1/2 tsp. My daughter is still mostly breast-fed although she does eat some solids, the amount depending on her appetite.

      So hearing it was MRSA I changed my approach completely. This is what I have been doing over the last 2 days:

      1. Topically: Every 2-3 hours during the day, then just left on overnight.
      a) Cleanse area with combination of water/grey celtic sea salt/bi carb soda
      b) Spread Manuka 30+ UMF honey over wound
      c) Apply on top a powder-mix of: Goldenseal, Tumeric, Sodium ascorbate (vitamin C), crushed zinc tablet, xylitol powdered.
      d) Cover with a piece of muslin soaked in a combination of: Ribwort tincture, Comfrey tincture, Calendula tincture, Thyme tincture & rescue remedy bach flower
      e) Cover with another piece of muslin and fix on with a small amount of medical tape

      2. Internally:
      a) Via a pipette - sodium ascorbate (vit C) regularly at 15-30min intervals throughout the day - 1 ml of strong C&water solution. Just as much C as I can get her to take really over the course of the day to bowel tolerance. Have not seen any diarrhoea as a result as yet.
      b) Herbal tincture mix of: Echinacea, Baical Scullcap, Nettle, Fennel (Previously prescribed by Naturopath for Eczema & wind) 15drops b.d.
      c) Probiotic powder 2/3 of a tsp/day - Lactobacillus rhamnosus GG 6 billion LGG, Bifidobacterium lactis 2.5 billion Bi07, Lactobacillus acidophilus NCFM 2.5 billion, Oligofructose Prebiotic 1.0g.

      3. Baths: Full bathtub with 2.5 cups of magnesium sulphate epsom salts, 3/4 cup grey sea salt, 2 tbsp of bicarb soda, 15 drops lavender essential oil, a few sprinkles of emergency flower essence. 30 min. I take her in the bath with me, and we are doing this twice a day, fresh bathwater each time.

      4. I am drinking home-brewed kombucha 2 cups/day (starting yesterday), have been drinking strong nettle tea - morning and night 2 cups/day (since 1 month pregnant), and I am taking 6 capsules of fish oil/day and a B vitamin, and withania tea at the moment, also eating a lot of fresh crushed garlic. I have a history of severe allergic rhinitis (which I can prevent taking fish oil and vitamin C, and 'turn off' with enough fish oil early enough acutely) and previously asthma although I haven't had that since 2004 which is when I went cold-turkey on all prescription medications and started improving my nutrition.

      Should also mention I consulted 2 experienced naturopaths for their recommendations in working out what to do. I think my daughter's MRSA infection is looking a lot better today compared to when we started. I will update if I get the chance. One of the naturopaths recommended zinc and selenium internally in addition.









      • my husband is a PhD in Pathology.....don't even get me started on the stories and papers he shares with me regarding MRSA

        anyhow, Australian Sandalwood (higher efficacy against MRSA than Tea Tree) + Honey (Manuka or Jarrah)
        • Research Article
          Inhibition of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) by essential oils
          Sue Chao 1 *, Gary Young 1, Craig Oberg 2, Karen Nakaoka 2
          1Young Living Essential Oils, Lehi, UT, USA
          2Department of Microbiology, Weber State University, Ogden, UT, USA

          email: Sue Chao (schao@youngliving.com)

          *Correspondence to Sue Chao, Young Living Essential Oils, Lehi, UT, USA.

          Keywords
          essential oils • MRSA • inhibition


          Abstract
          Ninety-one essential oils, each distilled from a single plant source, and 64 blended essential oils obtained from a commercial source were screened using the disc diffusion assay for inhibitory activity against methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA). Of the 91 single essential oils, 78 exhibited zones of inhibition against MRSA, with lemongrass, lemon myrtle, mountain savory, cinnamon and melissa essential oils having the highest levels of inhibition. Of 64 blended essential oils, 52 exhibited inhibitory activity against MRSA, with R.C. (a combination of myrtle, Eucalyptus globulus, Eucalyptus australiana, Eucalyptus radiata, marjoram, pine, cypress, lavender, spruce, peppermint and Eucalyptus citriodora oils), Motivation (a combination of Roman chamomile, ylang ylang, spruce and lavender oils) and Longevity (a combination of frankincense, clove, orange and thyme oils) blended essential oils having the highest inhibitory activity. These results indicate that essential oils alone and in combination can inhibit MRSA in vitro. Application of these results may include the potential use of essential oils as an alternative therapy for various diseases sustained by S. aureus MRSA. Copyright © 2008 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Received: 15 January 2008; Revised: 20 June 2008; Accepted: 7 August 2008

          *hubby can get the entire paper if anyone wants it - I can email
          • I'd love a copy of that article if that's okay, thanks very much.
            • kat@modulus.org
              • i emailed the PDF :)

                also, there has been much success with MRSA in actually cleaning out the area (hospital) and limiting the further
                use of antibiotics (which only makes the strain, eventually, highly resistant) - reducing the load is often enough
                to allow the natural immune system to eradicate the infection.

                I went to a seminar with my husband which was very interesting, all about MRSA and specific to "Antmicrobial
                Stewardship" - I've got a PDF of that paper if you want it as well.
      • Forgot to say that prior to finding out it was MRSA infected I also tried for 1 month a dietary exclusion of all gluten, dairy, egg and citrus and separately for 1 week all refined sugar (including rapadura which I usually use exclusively but not fruit I must say) and coffee (I usually have about 1 cup every 2 days or so) which did not benefit her "eczema"(?).

        I have also determined that if in a few more days it is not significantly looking like it is on its way to healing I will go get a script for bactroban topical antibiotics filled, although so far this is working well as far as I can tell.


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