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Does anybody have any experience or thoughts on the subject? Healing is pretty straight forward and happens on its own, but how can you speed up the process without drawing color from the tattoo or increasing scabbing?
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Sat, July 5, 2008 - 3:18 PMstay away from chickweed or plantain and marshmallow
we use a straight calendula salve or the classic st john's, arnica, and calendula....but the later usually because we didn't have straight calendula....worked great though -
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Sat, July 5, 2008 - 5:06 PMmy tattooist gave me a lovely skin balm made from lavender rosemary vit e and comfrey...
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Sat, July 5, 2008 - 5:08 PMcomfrey poultice - amazing healing ability but do not take internally -
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Sat, July 5, 2008 - 6:58 PMIts ok to use Comfrey internally in controlled doses for short periods of time. They used to give it to people internally to speed up the healing of broken bones, which is why its also called boneset. However, this herb is best avoided in large doses or on a prolonged basis. I knew a man who was an herbalist and really knew a lot about healing with herbs especially emergency first aid with herbs....but he ate comfrey like it was a vegetable....he was fine for a few decades of regular use but he eventually died of liver failure and suspected liver cancer. We are not sure it was from the comfrey or not but those are common symptoms associated with excessive internal use.
However, I think the studies that were based on rats are unrealistic because they were such high doses. Sometimes when they conduct these tests they dont feed the rats a normal diet in conjunction with whatever they are feeding them. -
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Sat, July 5, 2008 - 7:10 PMMy husband was told to use Bag Balm, which seemed to do the trick.
Turns out, it also prevented a wicked sunburn one fateful day in Tucson...
Comfrey rocks, inside and out.
Consider it a medicine for special situations internally, and you'll be fine.
Isolating one chemical from the plant, then concentrating it and overfeeding it to rats doesn't really amount to meaningful study. -
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Sat, July 5, 2008 - 7:32 PMI used to include young comfrey leaves (while they were still very tender) in salads made from the vegetable garden. I assumed it was safe, and healthy, at the time. -
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Sat, July 5, 2008 - 8:48 PMYou will probably be fine. I dont think its one of those things that should be a main staple in your diet though. It can stress the liver. Some people may be more susceptible to this effect than others. The man I was talking about who died had hepatitis.
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Sat, July 5, 2008 - 11:52 PMBag balm is awesome stuff. Antiseptic and chock-full of lanolin, it's been my standby cure for all kinds of rashes and skin ailments.
I'm a bit of a harsh-weather junkie when it comes to outdoor adventures. I've had bad situations turn worse, and come home with some parts of skin (mostly on the hands) that looked like they needed a skin transplant. The kind of thick, hard, dry and craggy skin split into chunks and pieces like a dry mud plain in northern africa, cracks and crevaces practically down to the meat. No lotion I know of can do anything at that point. Bag balm, though, that stuff is a miracle in a tin can. -
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Sun, July 6, 2008 - 8:55 AMofftopic to tattoos:>
comfrey and boneset aren't the same thing, and boneset isn't used for setting bones- there's near-endless speculation about the origin of the name, but it seems to have originated with 'breakbone fever' which I think was a name for dengue fever, which I think we had in the Southeast in the early colonial times (I might be mistaking dengue with another now-considered-tropical disease, or pandemic flu, or something).
Comfrey is used internally in some ulcer treatment combos.
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Sun, July 6, 2008 - 11:14 AMComfrey is sometimes called boneset. There herb Thoroughwort is also called boneset. I believe there is even a third plant somewhere that is also called boneset. Comfrey when used internally and with compress has been used to help speed of the healing of broken bones.
Back to tattoos though, my artist says that Aloe Vera pulls ink from the tattoo.....I am not sure if this is accurate or not. When I used it with yarrow and lavender and comfrey it seemed to work great with a 1 week total healing time and I didnt notice any loss of color...but maybe it pulled out some ink and I didnt notice or know what to compare it to.
Do you think there is any credibility to the idea that herbs that speed healing might increase scabbing or draw out ink?
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Sun, July 6, 2008 - 11:31 AMBoneset is Eupatorium perfoliatum, which is used for very different things than comfrey is. Eupatorium Perfoliatum is sort of like echinacea in terms of immune action, except that it works even if you don't take it at the initial onset of a cold. Do some research on it, it's an absolutely amazing immune stimulant and there's some good studies on how it works and on which immune component.
Comfrey is more of a wound-healer. There was a poorly designed study in the 90's that showed that supposedly it can lead to liver cancer or some other serious condition (I don't recall which one), which is why people are afraid to take it internally. I think that study has been debunked.
Sorry I don't have more info, I don't recall all the details.
I got a lot of my info on boneset from David Hoffman's books such as Holistic Herbal and Medical Herbalism: The Science Principles and Practices Of Herbal Medicine, and from several of Stephen Buhner's books. It's been very, very good for me when I have flu and colds, and has been helpful with some of my Lyme Disease relapses (which might be due to a coinfection and not just Lyme).
Comfrey is in one of Stephen Buhner's formulas, a recipe for stomach ulcer, which is described more in his book Herbal Antibiotics.
Speaking of which, there's a lot of good info in that book about topical antibacterials, though killing bacteria is not necessarily the only thing that'll address tattoo issues (since tattoo healing isn't all that hard for a healthy person, and there's the non-medical concern about not drawing ink out of the fresh 'wound'). Speaking of healthy tattoo healing, stay away from alcohol, that's one I've heard quite often in light of this subject. -
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Sun, July 6, 2008 - 11:37 AM
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Sun, July 6, 2008 - 11:39 AMRight, but they were both called Boneset at different times and places, though for the sake of avoiding confusion we should probably just call Comfrey Comfrey since its the more common name now. Comfrey (not Eupatorium Perfoliatum) is sometmes used for broken bones.
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Sun, July 6, 2008 - 11:35 AMOne thing I've heard in the tattoo industry is that certain inks will be pulled out by petroleum-based ointments, etc, but I know (I used to make body piercing jewelry so I was marginally involved in the business) that people in that industry don't always do good research before making a proclamation like that. It's possible that what affects ink fading is more about the base of the ointment rather than the herbs in it.
Personally, I haven't seen any problems with tattoos fading no matter what I've done (my color ones are 11 years old and BRIGHT, and I get comments on them every day that they're visible, and everyone, including other experienced tattoo afficionados, is amazed at how old they are for the fresh-looking color), so I think it has more to do with the artist, ink type, and skin type, than it does with aftercare.
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Sun, July 6, 2008 - 8:58 PM<...which is why its also called boneset....>
Just a bit OT, but there is another plant called boneset with clusters of small magenta-to-mauve-to-white blossoms. It speeds healing of broken bones and knocks out colds, but it tastes ***VILE***.
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Mon, July 7, 2008 - 9:48 AMI have a friend with lots of tattoos, and she says if you're going to get one, get it in a humid climate. The tattoo she got in Thailand healed that day, whereas tattoos she has gotten in dry climates took longer and blistered. -
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Mon, July 7, 2008 - 1:02 PMThats not always an option for most people. People usually get tattooed close to home. I certainly dont want to be recovering while Im on vacation, especially since I usually get worked on for about 5 hours at a time.
Is there any evidence to support the theory that petroleum products are bad or that aloe vera will pull out ink?
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Thu, July 10, 2008 - 11:27 AMJust re-stating most of the above, however I have a facial tattoo (11 years old now). Ignorance won over at first and I made the mistake of using neosporin, pulled some ink out. Then i tried bag balm, but it had an ever so slight aroma that made me slightly nauseous (as I was 7 months preg at the time, and against popular belief, getting tattooed does not cause harm to the unborn, unless oyu are pounding on you belly while getting one done...It's all in your head, really) So, a pal of mine made a comfrey and basil (lemon basil for the better aroma, and it was all she had on hand at the time)bag balm mixture and it worked great, all healed in about 5 days...(tea tree, in hind site would have been perfect.)
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Thu, July 10, 2008 - 11:29 AMps I was told many years ago, by an elder SW Native woman, that aloe is better used for burns, fire or sun. That if you look around, eventually you will find other plants to do other things, but aloe for burns... -
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Fri, July 11, 2008 - 8:13 AMWas it black ink or a color?
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Fri, July 11, 2008 - 11:26 AMMine? Black ink, done by a professional . I was just stupid when I put neosporin on it... =(
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