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Hi, I've had this strange feeling that happens in my left middle and pointer fingers since I was a kid. Whenever I am feeling depressed or even just slightly sad, I get a tingly, achy feeling in the knuckles of those fingers. The stronger the emotion of sadness, the stronger the pain in the fingers. It is consistent, it happens everytime Im feeling sad. And it only happens when I'm sad, no other emotions bring it out. Its also only felt in those fingers, no where else on my body.
Im wondering if anyone has felt anything like this, or has heard of something like this, maybe even knows what might be the cause of it?
I do have hyperthyroidism, which I am on medication for, and when I was younger I was hypo. I dont know if any of that is related to it though. I also broke my left wrist when I was a kid, I dont know if maybe that had some effect either.
Anyway, Im just curious to see if anyone has any ideas. Thanks a lot.
Im wondering if anyone has felt anything like this, or has heard of something like this, maybe even knows what might be the cause of it?
I do have hyperthyroidism, which I am on medication for, and when I was younger I was hypo. I dont know if any of that is related to it though. I also broke my left wrist when I was a kid, I dont know if maybe that had some effect either.
Anyway, Im just curious to see if anyone has any ideas. Thanks a lot.
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Sat, June 14, 2008 - 6:02 PMi'm thinking it has something to do with nerves...
maybe you should consider taking some antidepressant herbs or relaxants..
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Sat, June 14, 2008 - 10:11 PMA few articles I have been reading suggest that in some patients suffering from major depression, there is an autoimmune condition affecting thyroid function. You didnt say anything about suffering from chronic depression, but I still found it interesting.
www.biomedcentral.com/1471-244X/4/6
It is also a well known fact that the emotion of sadness suppresses the immune system in specific ways.
The thyroid shouldnt be affecting a specific area of the body though. It would have to be either unrelated, or somehow indirectly affecting an area of the brain or nervous system. There is a possibility that it could be purely psychosomatic, but it could also be neurological with or without an underlying autoimmune condition.
While it might not be purely psychosomatic, it might not hurt to see a therapist or doctor trained in hypnotherapy. It might be possible to induce the symptoms during trance and gain new clues about the nature of the condition.
If its auto-immune, there should be some other clues or symptoms that manifest themselves. Any additional information you can give might be helpful. Anything from dry skin, to digestive disorders, to sleeping disorders might be a clue. Also, if you have any extensive blood tests the numbers might be useful to those of us who know how to read them (I still have to look it up).
While we are at it, it might not hurt to think of ways to manage the thyroid condition as well.
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Sun, June 15, 2008 - 4:15 PMI've never been diagnosed as having depression, but I know that I'm a very moody person. And I definetly get stuck in low points for weeks at a time. haven't been to any kind of therapist since I was in high school, so im not on any treatment or anything for the moods. I come from a family of pretty unstable people too.
Looking at that link, it seems like its talking about the links between depression and hypothyroidism. Which is what I used to have, but because of bad dosing and taking my pills irregularly I ended up wtih hyperthroidism. I've also heard hyperthyroidism being linked to depression too though. Right now I take 15mg of Methimazole each day, and as far as I can tell its all under control. I'm open to other ideas of managing it though.
I dont have any blood tests on me right now, so I cant give you guys any numbers.
As far as dry skin, I do get that on my hands sometimes.. I dont know if that helps?
I dont have any digestive problems as far as I know, and I eat pretty healthy.
I also have a pretty bad sleep schedule, I usually have a 2 hour nap in the evenings and dont feel tired in the nights until 4 in the morning. And i wake up pretty much every day at 8. I dont know if that qualifies as a sleep disorder though.
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Sun, June 15, 2008 - 5:15 PMIm going to do a little more research. Maybe somebody else has some experience with this kind of thing. -
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Mon, June 16, 2008 - 6:41 PMA little broadening of the topic, perhaps, but my opinion on 'chronic depression' is this:
When you think of something scary, your adrenal glands react, your sweat glands open, your body produces chemicals that ammount to the *sensation* of fear. the feeling of fear.
Likewise for love. or lust. or anger. The body's reaction is secondary to our thought patterns, it is not the other way around.
When we have a chronic condition such as depression, or anxiety, treating the chemical imbalances is only treating the symptom, not the cause. The cause is unhealthy though patterns and thinking style. The symptom is the depressing chemicals. This can become a self-enforcing cycle, and so it is easy for people to feel like they've become victims of their own body's chemistry, as if their chemicals were the root cause of depression, anxiety, uncontrollable anger, etc.
Medicine is a great helpful tool in interrupting the cycle, temporarily stopping the body's reinforcing chemical symptoms. But if the thinking style is not corrected, the body soon adapts around these drugs and heavier doses are needed, or newer, more powerful drugs.
I have worked closely with many people suffering from a diverse array of illnesses, including bipolarity, depression, anxiety even to the extent of agoraphobia, etc. and I can tell you that in EVERY case, the people who are convinced that their body is the cause, their chemicals, are the cause, are doomed to a life of heavy medication, half-living half-drugged, only happy when the pills kick in. On the other hand, people who endeavor to master their illness and PERSIST!!!! will almost inevitably become able to wean themselves from all drugs, and eventually establish a happy, balanced and healthy emotional psychology.
Of course, there's a huge money-making industry out there telling us all that our bodies are inherently malfuntioning, that we need drugs upon drugs to stay happy and healthy, and that there is no way we can help ourselves without paying them large sums of money in exchange for drugs for the rest of our lives.
To anyone in this tribe struggling with mood-affecting drugs, you must unlearn what you've been impressed with, growing up in the pharmacy society. I am convinced that the real answer is in your mind. It might be an uphill battle, for sure. Depression, anxiety, Mania, they didn't come to you overnight, they were established over a lifetime of erroneous psychology and they will take time to undo. During that time, drugs can be a great aid. But the end goal should always be, and trust me it can be, healthy and happy independence from drugs. -
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Mon, June 16, 2008 - 7:41 PMI dont necessarily agree that the thought patterns are always more significant than the chemical imbalances. Often the root cause of the illness is in the endocrine system, not in unhealthy thought patterns. The mind and body are of course interconnected, and any holistic treatment will have to address both. The root cause is not always in the thinking patterns though. It can sometimes be something external like heavy metal toxicity or blood sugar imbalance.
What i will agree with though is that supplementing with the missing hormones, or decreasing the activity of certain glands with drugs is not a holistic solution. Thats a last ditch solution to keep the symptoms from getting too far out of control, but if it requires a lifetime of treating the symptoms then its not a long term cure.
A holistic approach may use internal medicines and nutrition, lifestyle changes as well as mind body practices. The idea is to find out whats out of balance, what is throwing the body out of balance, and how to get the body back into proper balance from where it is. Sometimes lack of an element or excess of an element, or some other metabolic condition can throw the entire body out of balance and the mind follows....Likewise, unhealthy thinking can affect the body, and being around chronic stress and other unhealthy people can affect you physically. A holistic solution will work from both angles in treating the total person.
Im personally wary of antidepressants, but sometimes when you have something seriously wrong you need to treat acute symptoms while on the path of correcting any imbalances in the body. -
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Mon, June 16, 2008 - 8:55 PM"Im personally wary of antidepressants, but sometimes when you have something seriously wrong you need to treat acute symptoms while on the path of correcting any imbalances in the body. "
On that one I can definitely agree. I guess the real core of what I'm trying to say here is, don't look at drugs like they're the solution, or the only solution. When used as a stopgap treatment while you hunt down and fix the real problem, drugs can be wonderful relief. But when used in place of a solution, when touted as a long-term treatment, accepted as a chronic dependency and no other measures or avenues are explored, most people develop drug dependencies, and/ or a host of side-effects which need another set of drugs to counteract. Nobody's body was ever meant to be a balancing act between different man-made drugs.
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Tue, June 17, 2008 - 8:13 AMI have, slowly and painstakingly, come to a realization about mental difficulties.
Some say the problem is in your chemicals. Some say the problem is in your mind. Some say the problem is in your body.
In fact, it's all true. But it's all combined together. You can't separate your body from your mind and treat ONLY a weight problem and expect to keep the weight off forever. You can't separate the mind from the chemicals and treat ONLY the thought processes without changing the chemicals. You can't separate the chemicals from the body and treat ONLY seratonin levels.
You need to take a holistic approach, which may involve pharmaceuticals, but which also needs to involve a change of diet, an addition of exercise (or some form of movement), and retrain your mind to "enjoy" things.
Some people have great luck with only a massive diet and exercise change – suddenly discovering they worry less, sleep better and feel better about themselves. Some need a combo pack of all of the above to really notice a difference.
There IS a place for pharmaceutical products, but at the same time I'm not really saying they're the best things in the world. Some people can't or won't change anything else in their lives, so the pharm is all they've got. And it will only help the little bit they can help on their own. And the problem isn't necessarily doctors. They suggest, time after time, a diet and exercise change and hear patients say, "no thanks, I'll just take this pill."
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Tue, June 17, 2008 - 8:32 AMHi Felix,
i am concerned about the sleeping pattern you are keeping...irregular sleep can cause all sorts of problems...
the average person needs a minimum of six hours of good sleep..at night, in the dark (no TV and try really hard to block outside light) and continuous (not waking up every two hours). the quality of sleep is what you aiming for..
now, you must get back on track...you are caught in a cycle...on thing leads to another, causing to do the next and so on..if you correct one thing such as sleep, you might find the moodiness, depressed feeling might subside dramatically...
the other thing is that you said you eat healthy but my question is what is you diet consisting of? you might very well be lacking some B vitamins which have a direct link to mental health..
i have personally had some strange feeling in my face believe it or not...i know it is directly linked to my nerves..when i am stressed...
make it a point to put yourself first..your health is most important..
we are here to help so let's talk about your diet and how your sleep is progressing...
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Wed, June 18, 2008 - 12:17 PMI eat a lot of vegetables, fruits, homemade soups, potatoes, rice, and fish, thats what most of my diet is made up of. To a lesser degree, pasta, beans, and chicken. I only eat red meat about once or twice a month usually. I drink a lot of water and usually get a glass a milk a day, but i eat way too much ice cream.
I have plenty of other unhealthy habits too outside of my diet that im sure contribute to the moodiness and the rest.
I know my sleeping pattern is ridiculous, i've been like that since my early teens, and its really catching up with me these days. Thats something i know i have to correct.
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Wed, June 18, 2008 - 2:37 PMAre you making sure you're eating enough protein? You mention fish but you don't mention much else that's strong in protein.
I would suggest that at least for the next few days, make sure you eat protein every time you eat. A handful of grapes + handful of nuts. Soups with beans in them. Rice with eggs.
Lack of protein can cause you to "drag" in unexpected ways.
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Wed, June 18, 2008 - 3:39 PMThe dry skin could indicate inflammation. I would increase intake of the omega fatty acids, specifically omega-3. Flax is a good source besides fish. I make pancakes, breads and cakes with large amounts of flax meal as a flour. You can also take it in capsules.
Over doing the alcohol never helps. It depletes B vitamins and other nutrients like folic acid. Also, the sulfites can promote inflammation.
Its impossible to diagnose something like lesions in the nervous system without some kind of high tech diagnostic test. If you ever have the opportunity to be seen by a medical hypnotherapist, I would do it. We often know a lot more than we think we do, and the process might uncover some stuff for you.
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