the certainty epidemic

topic posted Fri, February 29, 2008 - 10:40 AM by  sulevay
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a really great article having to do with the possibility that certainty - our feeling of conviction - is a brain-generated reward mechanism unrelated to reasoning and logic.
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We all seem convinced we're right about politics, religion or science these days. What makes us so sure of ourselves?

By Robert Burton

Certainty is everywhere. Fundamentalism is in full bloom. Legions of authorities cloaked in total conviction tell us why we should invade country X, ban "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" in schools, eat stewed tomatoes, how much brain damage is necessary to justify a plea of diminished capacity, the precise moment when a sperm and an egg must be treated as a human being, and why the stock market will revert to historical returns. A public change of mind is national news.

But why? Is this simply a matter of stubbornness, arrogance or misguided thinking, or is the problem more deeply rooted in brain biology? Since my early days in neurology training, I have been puzzled by this most basic of cognitive problems: What does it mean to be convinced? This question might sound foolish. You study the evidence, weigh the pros and cons, and make a decision. If the evidence is strong enough, you are convinced there is no other reasonable answer. Your resulting sense of certainty feels like the only logical and justifiable conclusion to a conscious and deliberate line of reasoning.

But modern biology is pointing in a different direction. It is telling us that despite how certainty feels, it is neither a conscious choice nor even a thought process. Certainty and similar states of "knowing what we know" arise out of primary brain mechanisms that, like love or anger, function independently of rationality or reason. Feeling correct or certain isn't a deliberate conclusion or conscious choice. It is a mental sensation that happens to us.

The importance of being aware that certainty has involuntary neurological roots cannot be overstated.


www.salon.com/mwt/mind_re...y/index.html
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sulevay
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  • Re: the certainty epidemic

    Fri, February 29, 2008 - 10:55 AM


    ah, mental sensations

    and the power of imagination and decision

    always changing, so one seems only certain for a moment
    • Re: the certainty epidemic

      Sun, March 2, 2008 - 10:06 AM
      true enough, aurelia. maybe we get addicted to that feeling, so gradually trim our world view down with our certainties so the pieces "fit" and keep us sedated. quite a trade-off isn't it?


      btw, for those who may be interested, this same topic took off in my blog, which can be found on my profile page. some folks who are not on this tribe but who have interesting things to say....
  • Re: the certainty epidemic

    Sun, March 2, 2008 - 6:41 AM
    Great post, though the link took me to the front page rather than the article itself.
    • Re: the certainty epidemic

      Sun, March 2, 2008 - 10:08 AM
      >Great post, though the link took me to the front page rather than the article itself.<

      oh yeah, me too....i was reposting it from charles' tribe, as you know - momentarily "certain" that was the only way in....

      ;-)
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        Re: the certainty epidemic

        Sat, July 19, 2008 - 10:35 AM
        "What does it mean to be convinced? This question might sound foolish. You study the evidence, weigh the pros and cons, and make a decision. If the evidence is strong enough, you are convinced there is no other reasonable answer. Your resulting sense of certainty feels like the only logical and justifiable conclusion to a conscious and deliberate line of reasoning." ( WOW! Love it!)

        "It is telling us that despite how certainty feels, it is neither a conscious choice nor even a thought process. Certainty and similar states of "knowing what we know" arise out of primary brain mechanisms that, like love or anger, function independently of rationality or reason. Feeling correct or certain isn't a deliberate conclusion or conscious choice. It is a mental sensation that happens to us."

        The importance of being aware that certainty has involuntary neurological roots cannot be overstated.

        I just saw this post. !!! Love it. I will have to check into who this person is. And...unfortunately my only Harrison book I gave to a meta-physical psychologist friend of mine who read a little at my house and promised to return it in a "few days" and it's been a month!!! I only got to read half of Doing Nothing so far! I saw that all of Harrisons material is only 147.00. Is that really all of his stuff, or are there things like recorded 'teachings" and stuff like that elsewhere? I really like the post above.
        • Re: the certainty epidemic

          Sat, July 19, 2008 - 11:13 AM
          brain stuff is always fascinating....

          i'm reading this bolte-taylor book, "my stroke of insight" which is about a neuroanatomist who lost the use of her left hemisphere, tho 8 years later, it's back online- tho she is much changed.

          she mentions that reactions like anger and fear are involuntary limbic system reactions - which last about 90 seconds to flash thru the body, after which (she says) the blood is done with it. so anytime we have a reaction that lasts longer than 90 seconds, she insists it's a choice.

          wonder what she would say about the article posted here? she seems so certain.... :-)

          as for steven's work, yes, it's a great price, and it includes all kinds of video and audio done over the years. contact connie at sentient if you want to know what is specifically included; i got this package years ago so newer stuff may or may not be included.
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            Re: the certainty epidemic

            Sat, July 19, 2008 - 4:28 PM
            The Chooser just needs to get out of the way and let the knower, be? Certainty is unnecessary and impedes conscious living. Anger/fear reactions are sustained by the need to be certain. Maybe that the body would be a better useful if all its energy wasn't used to decide things it didn't need to and woudln't be so sick if we didn't hang on to the things and let them go. ( After about 2 hours or more of going over this that's what I think she would say. ) How about you?
            • Re: the certainty epidemic

              Sat, July 19, 2008 - 4:48 PM
              i think, in a manner of speaking, as long as there's a chooser then choosing can't really happen.

              the function of language is to define and delineate, so when we want to talk about the whole from the whole, or AS the whole, it gets pretty absurd! every time we put words to anything, it gets mired in the linear structure of time, one word after another, which can only point to the total in an oblique way.

              this linearity is certainly useful for manipulating the world, building things, etc, but ms. bolte-taylor seems to be saying that the left brain tends to run with very little regard for the contributions embedded in the right, which is why our experience of oneness and peace is so remote.

              while i'm not certain of that.....it creates an interesting metaphor to savor.

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