Steven and others have talked about dropping the story of “my” life. I wonder does the story require words. Can there be a narrative without words? My own inclination is that yes that is possible as words are just labels for thoughts, feelings and other sensory input. Other opinions?
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Thu, October 18, 2007 - 8:14 PMwhy is such a story important? what does it provide? what does it sustain? perhaps the reason for thinking and discussing dropping it isn't to find another way to maintain it, but to realize that maintenance isn't necessary and, most times, actively impedes a more fruitful and fulfilling life.
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Fri, October 19, 2007 - 10:51 AMIn the last few years I have felt my story dropping away and it has seemed disconcerting to have a smaller sense of history. I brought it back, by narrating it to myself.
In the same vein perhaps, or perhaps not, when internal talking began to stop, leaving silence, that was disconcerting too. At first, I couldn't let that be, and spoke in my head. Then I began to get more comfortable with the silences.
The benefit of silence in the head appeared quickly. I began to be able to actually think, in full paragraphs, something all the way thru, solving a problem with no jumping around.
But letting go of one's history...even with no words, the sense of it is there...but when it started dropping away, it was the wordless sense of it. I was entering menopause when it began. Since surgery last fall, I have problems bringing words into speech sometimes, when stressed.
They call it memory loss. Did Steven suggest that something is gained by this loss?
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Sun, October 21, 2007 - 11:57 PMFor me the dropping comes from the realisation that the story is not the actual. The story is just "a story" with no meaning and no essential value, and of course the central figure "our hero" is a fictional character with no substance other than the thought of substance.
So who's dropping the story? No one. When it is realised there is no-one really home the story has no specific relevance and becomes a tale like Father Christmas that we tell our kids but know ourselves is not true.
By the way this may be a really good analogy - how much is spent in maintaining the fiction of Father Christmas and for what reason. Our stories are the same, they cost us, and give no real longterm return. :)
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Mon, October 22, 2007 - 11:40 AM
>>> Steven and others have talked about dropping the story of “my” life. I wonder does the story require words. Can there be a narrative without words? My own inclination is that yes that is possible as words are just labels for thoughts, feelings and other sensory input. Other opinions? >>>
i agree there is a narrative without words
(taking place now)
instantly the movie nels with jodie foster comes to mind
then i think of the wild (which is where the movie takes place IMHO)
and so i then think of orgasm - which, while a "word,"
is a sensation that can not be described adequately by any word
must be experienced in order to know
then i think of infinite possiblities...
...endless universe...
...and how my brain is nothing more than a sensor that tunes in to a nonlocal omnipresent vibrating field of infinite frequencies...
and then my stories and anyone else's for that matter are boring
that it is our senses that excite and act out the best stories,
which, again, words do not suffice
i do, however, like words
(can you tell?)
especially if poetic, erotic, insiteful, funny...
then again, those are just words
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Tue, October 23, 2007 - 1:47 AMI'd assume the story drops away when you die. Until then, the pages keep turning.
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 2:51 PMInteresting posts one and all.
I guess what I was trying to get at in the OP was that even without a verbal story, it seems to me there is still a non-verbal one, so I am not sure how one could get away from the "story" as it were, except (as Grant suggested) to disbelieve it. On the other hand, maybe when Steven refers to a "story" he means a verbal one only. -
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 5:50 PMMr. Lo, I'd say we reside within an ever-changing matrix of living motion. Anyone who has tried understands the unlikelihood of being able to modify the flow of energy as it courses through us other than for short periods of time - whether it be verbal, auditory, visual or otherwise - and isn't any change we think we can affect just the story being viewed from a different perspective, or us looking upon a then-current form? I'd almost go so far as saying that it's delusional to think there's even the possibility dropping the story other than when perceived from the land of imagination, which, of course, is but another permutation of the story. -
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Sat, October 27, 2007 - 12:05 AMi have to agree it seems to be all story, at least everything that can be conveyed in words. there is, figuratively speaking, a signal being broadcast, or a living field, but that field takes the form of different structures and those structures have narrative lines.
any pressure to drop a story as a more liberating state of being is thus only more story, an artificial imposition on the form already being constructed perfectly accurately in every moment. this preference to be free from specific forms is part of the form, as paradoxical as that sounds. too bad we torture ourselves and each other about those parts we deem somehow insufficient.
a line from firefly comes to mind: can´t stop the signal.
at least, that´s the best i can do with it verbally, so far as i can tell. -
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Sat, October 27, 2007 - 2:34 AM"any pressure to drop a story as a more liberating state of being is thus only more story, an artificial imposition on the form already being constructed perfectly accurately in every moment."
Looks like you hit it out of the park ;-)
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Thu, November 8, 2007 - 6:35 AMBrilliant sulevay!
If actuality is undivided then isn't the story encapsulated within it? When I walk into a bookstore I'm amazed at so many grand stories, tales of adventure, tragedy, romance not to mention intellectual inquires, certitudes, models, myths and legends all wrapped up in a little store and a cafe inside to boot. Did you want room for cream?
dontcha just love illusions ;) -
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Thu, November 8, 2007 - 11:11 AMwell, garsh, guys, thanks.....but i see it the other way too, how the stories we construct in our heads are like weird, funhouse-mirror editions of actuality that we attach to and then run like theatrical loop-de-loops while the creative energy gets diverted into endless repeat mode....until it doesn't.
one of them-there paradoxes that keep confounding us whenever we think we've 'got it'.
i just got back from spending about a month tagging along on steven's 'extreme welcome tour' with all its sideshows, carnival rides, thrills, chills and heart breaks. it seems there's never anything to be 'got', not even availability to the flow, when by definition that flow cannot be other than you are.
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that said, i came face to face with my face, your face, any face. anybody ever see 'the 7 faces of dr. lao'? an old tony randall movie from the 60s, that i first saw at about the age of 8. in my story, that story changed my life.
it was kinda like that.
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