what is it?
do you believe you have it?
why or why not?
and what has steven said about this in his work?
i am very curious about this now
that i have read some comments
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Re: free will
Thu, March 27, 2008 - 1:56 PMQ: if our thinking is dependent on our conditioning, how free are the choices we make that come of that thinking?
aurelia, you'll find a very long thread contrasting free will and determinism over here:
tribes.tribe.net/willfulig...5f0ae22510
as for steven, i just found this, which may be pertinent.
www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: free will
Wed, April 2, 2008 - 3:28 PM
Today's Movie Quote:
JOHN:
Free will.
It's like butterfly wings: once touched, they never get off the ground.
No, I only set the stage.
You pull your own strings.
(Al Pacino's character in The Devil's Advocate)
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Re: free will
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 9:00 PMI don't have free will.
but I do have free won't! -
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Re: free will
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 3:35 AM
B E B,
from where i am
i see . . .
THE SAME COIN !
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Re: free will
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 10:02 AMha. cute, you guys.
i go round and round with this one, but it still seems you end up having to act as if you have free will, whether that is actually the case.
just like we act like the chair is solid, when science tells us it is mostly space and spinning particles.
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Re: free will
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 10:06 AM>> just like we act like the chair is solid, when science tells us it is mostly space and spinning particles. <<
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Re: free will
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 10:19 AM>> just like we act like the chair is solid, when science tells us it is mostly space and spinning particles. <<
>BINGO!!<
of course, we have no choice in the matter. the damn chair holds my ass up, whether i think it can or not..
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Re: free will
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 10:05 AMI gotcha, it was meant mostly as a tongue-in-cheek remark.
As far as my actually thoughts on free will vs. determinism, I think far too many really smart people haven't been able to put this one to rest in the past 2000+ years, so I am not sure I can add much of value to the debate.
However, I do *feel* like I have free will, at least for moment-to-moment and day-today actions.
Keep in mind that the universe *could* be completely deterministic, but so complex that there is no way to devise a model that can simulate the universe (and therefore figure out what will happen in advance) that isn't as complex as the universe itself. This is essentially what Wolfram argues in his massive tome "A New Kind of Science":
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Ne...of_Science
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