urgent doumbek buying help

topic posted Wed, June 17, 2009 - 7:33 PM by  Louis
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So i have been searching for a doumbek online and have found too many to choose from. I have narrowed it down and wanted some opinions from seasoned doumbek people. Here are my choices.
www.yourworldinstruments.com/pro....htm
www.mid-east.com/itemdesc.asp
www.onestopisraelshop.com/Items/1346
www.onestopisraelshop.com/Items/1366
www.sphinxshop.com/mdn3.htm
frank lazzaro has told me he can get me a deal on the one from mid east but i wanted to make sure it is a good drum. the video accompanying that drum sounds exactly like what i want. i also know that the Gawharet El Fan company is known for making good drums and the one from sphinx shop one is made by them. I am just overwhelmed and need help. thanks alot to anyone and everyone.
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  • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

    Wed, June 17, 2009 - 8:43 PM
    one more thing to add, should i order a certain type of head with the drums? i know they come with them but i hear they can be pretty bad. I like the sound of the clear heads alot but was wondering if anyone had suggestion on what head to purchase with the drum for the best sound. thanks.
    • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

      Wed, June 17, 2009 - 9:06 PM
      Sorry to continue to post but i have alot to say. If you find all of these drums to be trash then let me know. I am not looking to have to buy a new drum, i would love to have one that will last me for years to come. I would not want to spend any more than 200 dollars, but if it takes 200 dollars to get a good drum that i wont have to replace in 3 years then that is fine. Any help would be great.
  • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

    Thu, June 18, 2009 - 12:30 AM
    The first two places are overcharging, as per the next two there is no reason to buy from Israel unless you support genocide, the sphinxshop I believe charges you the same amount of money to ship as the drum costs. I haven't bought from otherworldsmusic but have spoken to a woman there who will guarantee the playability of the drum as long as you buy something in stock, ie not shipped directly to you which usually happens if they are out of a specific color. Someone else here has another favorite. Keep in mind there is no real quality control anywhere unless you see it, play it, and know what you want.

    This subject is incredibly well documented and, if you spend time reading what already has posted ad infinitum, you will get the gist. What's so urgent...you got a gig this weekend?
  • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

    Thu, June 18, 2009 - 4:51 AM
    Yea, what they all said. I'd highly recommend that you buy an extra head or two separately. The heads that come with most of these drums suck.
    • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

      Thu, June 18, 2009 - 5:18 AM
      But unless you know how to replace a head and tweak it properly (they all need to be tweaked) you will have a worse sounding drum, regardless of the head quality. Just get one of the plain Alexandrians and practice your butt off!
      • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

        Thu, June 18, 2009 - 7:04 AM
        Thanks for the help. Is there anywhere anyone would suggest shopping? Should I spend 200 on a aluminum one or get copper? What do most people here play?
        • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

          Thu, June 18, 2009 - 7:28 AM
          Dude, seriously, all of this has been dealt with in previous posts, either here or on Middle Eastern Percussion tribe, some as recently as last month. Aluminum vs copper, Fibreskin vs Skyndeep, GeF vs Kobi vs "Alexandria" vs Emin, different intermediate quality drums under $200, the customer service provided by EgyptCart vs NileShop vs Lark in the Morning ... it's ALL there, probably closer to the surface than you realize. Not so much about the ethical permissibility of purchasing drums from makers and distributors in countries that at one time or another engaged in massacring their own ethnic minority populations ... That would rule out drums made in damn near any country in North Africa, the Middle East, the Near East and the Balkans, actually ... I mean, do Armenians NOT buy Turkish darbukas, sazlar, cümbüşler, etc? Sweden has a pretty good human rights record ... Do THEY have any good drum-makers? You might want to buy from them ...
          • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

            Thu, June 18, 2009 - 7:46 AM
            Argh, it occurred to me that most Central Asian countries should be added to the boycott ... Alas, no tonbaks from Iran or santurs from Iraq ... Hell, boycott ALL Japanese synthesizers, Mexican telecasters, German glockenspiels, Mississippi harmonicas, Italian piano accordions, Romanian ţambal, Serbian gusles, Albanian çiftelia, Bulgarian kavals, Russian balalaikas ... It's a GLOBAL BAN ON MUSIC! Except Swedish folk music, of course ... We can all start playing Swedish folk music ...
            • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

              Thu, June 18, 2009 - 7:56 AM
              Hahaha! The Swedish spent 1000 raiding central Europe, the Laplanders, and Western Russia. Ever heard of the Vikings?
              • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

                Thu, June 18, 2009 - 5:33 PM
                Det var som fan! Vilken jävla röta! Nej, dra åt helvete!

                How could I have overlooked the Viking raiders, the sea-born bandit scourge of the Dark Ages?!?

                Well, that's just GREAT ...

                NO MUSIC FOR ANYONE ..
                • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

                  Thu, June 18, 2009 - 8:41 PM
                  You could always specialize in Taliban singing and dancing.
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                    Re: urgent doumbek buying help

                    Thu, June 18, 2009 - 9:24 PM
                    Are all the alexandria doumbeks coated in vinyl? does anyone know where i could get one that is just painted?
                    • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

                      Fri, June 19, 2009 - 7:07 AM
                      The one on the link I sent you is painted. It is the no frills standard drum from them and I think it is a real decent drum.

                      I believe they have a 30 day money back return policy which is more than I can say for when you order a drum from out of the country. No, I don't work for them.
                      • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

                        Fri, June 19, 2009 - 7:28 AM
                        Thanks man. The only thing I am worried about is getting a "decent" drum and then haveing to update in a year or so. Is there a step above this i could check out? I have been trying to email touch the earth but it keeps sending my mail back. i have heard they have good drums but pretty light. I guess im just having trouble understanding what makes the drum itself better.
                        • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

                          Fri, June 19, 2009 - 8:34 AM
                          Upon trying to call Touch the Earth they do not answer and the emails i send get returned to me. If I buy one of their drums should i buy a new head from another site, a clear one, to put on it?
                          • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

                            Fri, June 19, 2009 - 9:45 AM
                            Why are you even bothering with them (ToE)? Except for the "extra large" one which has limited applications, there is no reason to get a too light, tinny sounding drum with the white plastic head. Why do you want to overpay for a drum and then have to modify it immediately in the hope (usually misplaced) that it will sound good? Why don't you just fly to Cairo, go to Mohammed Ali street, and buy a couple there?
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                    Re: urgent doumbek buying help

                    Fri, June 19, 2009 - 7:18 AM
                    No, Mark. I'm not going to write that take-off on "Roly Poly Fishheads" I just thought up. Tempting as it might be.

                    :-)
                • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

                  Fri, June 19, 2009 - 7:25 AM
                  I live in Dallas, Geoff. Live music in church is sinful, dancing is worse. But it is quite permitted and encouraged to dance like a stoned ostrich to recorded music that was written in the 1970's, or ripped derivations thereof. People will pay $25 cover charges just to do so. Whole sections of the entertainment pages of the newspapers are devoted to dj mix artists.
      • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

        Thu, June 18, 2009 - 7:59 AM
        Peter, you didn't see the head on the last drum I bought from Bavly Exports. It actually 3 one-inch rips in the plastic where it joined the metal ring. At least the back up head was servicable (although due to be replaced as soon as my supplier comes through.)
  • Ted
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    Re: urgent doumbek buying help

    Mon, June 29, 2009 - 8:11 AM
    Try www.globalmusicalinstruments.com
    I am a retailer for Mid East and can get great prices, I can easily match him. Don't worry, I live here in San Diego like Frank and he won't mind. I suggest the Remo ergo crystal. Excellent drum, CONSISTENT quality, and I have the best price on the net. Contact me directly for an even deeper discount.
    • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

      Mon, June 29, 2009 - 9:31 AM
      So, Ted, what attributes of the Remo ergo crystal lead you to recommend it over Emins, Kevorks, etc.?
      • Ted
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        Re: urgent doumbek buying help

        Tue, June 30, 2009 - 8:43 PM
        I NEVER said I recommend Remo Ergos over any other doumbeks, including those you mentioned, so why are assuming that I am? I am simply pointing out that after reading reviews of the aluminum doumbeks, a common complaint is that they are inconsistent in their construction and tone. For someone who is purchasing a drum (or any instrument for that matter) on the INTERNET, who is unable to actually try the instrument out, it would be advantageous for that person to consider purchasing those that have a reputation for being consistent in sound quality and construction. Remo's Acousticon shells are exactly this; consistent quality. And to those of you calling it cardboard or whatnot, you are so far from the truth it makes me laugh. This material is very strong, and due to its consistency, make for even, quality tone. The shells are far from being flimsy.

        Now having said that, please tell us more about the Emins and Kevorks models. What are they constructed of? Are the heads synthetic? I'm sure those shopping around for doumbeks would like to hear about as many types as possible with players feedback. Also, do you have experience with any of the quality ceramic ones with fish heads? I hear that the good ones of these are really the best overall but rare and spendy.
        • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

          Wed, July 1, 2009 - 10:29 AM
          Both here and on Middle East Percussion tribe, you have posted that the Remo Ergo is an excellent drum so questions arise such as "compared to what", "how much experience do you have" (backing your opinion), and "how biased are you"? Maybe the Remo's are consistent but consistently what is the question. If you are going to link up your business in every post, at least give a reason for dealing with you - money back guarantee, guarantee that every drum you sell works regarding sound quality, rim and ring adjustments, etc.

          While you may be a staunch supporter of the strength of the Acousticon shell, I have a friend who has one of their riqqs. Actually my friend is on her second or third because the shell keeps breaking. Her husband decided he can buy a lot of epoxy vs $400+ for a Kevork so he just keeps gluing it. Many people on these two tribes have the practical experience and monetary investment in drums to have valid opinions about what really works and what doesn't. I think you should give that some credence. You said you are just a beginner, you play like a beginner, if that, and that's fine...everyone starts off that way. I just think it's difficult to make the pronouncements you did (and you did) when you are at that point, then get defensive, and still promote yourself at every opportunity. But, hey, that's just my opinion and what do I know?
          • Ted
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            Re: urgent doumbek buying help

            Wed, July 1, 2009 - 5:34 PM
            Again, I agree, valid points indeed. How about those Kevork's? I want to offer the best, so this is why I'm here getting feedback on these drums (and obviously promoting my biz). I'm new and have but one supplier as of now, but want to expand my line, and offer the best drums. Honestly, I am concerned about the Alexandria line, after hearing the feedback. So on that subject, let me tell you about my return policy. All items (except for written material and DVDs), are backed by an unconditional 30-day return policy. The customer has to pay return shipping, which is part of the reason that I offer free shipping on Continental US orders over $199, so that the customer wouldn't have to pay shipping twice. This is a generous policy and is, or should be, the standard for online businesses, check them out for yourself. Some offer the same free shipping, but returns are always paid by the customer. Also, many sites have limitations and restrictions on their "free" shipping offer, such as weight and size, but I do not. So, to answer your question, no, I do not guarantee that you will be getting a perfect drum with no problems or issues such as what you mentioned. But if you don't like the product for ANY reason, you may return it within 30 days in the same condition it came in and we will gladly refund your money. Obviously, this is not the ideal way for a musician to buy an instrument, but the reality of the situation for many people who do order online is that they don't have the convenience of going to the local music shop and trying out a bunch of hard to find Middle Eastern Instruments. So in this case, they have the option of ordering online. Of course you can't try it out at the store, so you are taking a chance in that regard, and you stand to be out the shipping cost if you don't like it. Of course many people order things online that they already know about, such as replacing their instrument with another of the same model, so its not like they are trying something out for the first time.

            This is why I am seeking product reviews and feedback on various lines of drums and other instruments, so that I can find out what musicians such as yourself are playing, and go from there. If people keep saying that the newer Alexandria doumbeks are crap, I am going to remove them from my site. If I keep hearing that the Remo Doumbeks are cheap cardboard like you seem to think, then I'll remove them. It's my choice, and I want to offer the best for the best prices. BTW your mention of the Acousticon shells being weak and breaking is the first I've heard mention of that. Are you sure the drum wasn't abused or dropped? I was just observing that the one I have (yes I do have a sample model), seems very sturdy. Of course I haven't dropped it or anything, so I can't totally attest to its strength. It just looks and feels solid. It also weighs 9 lbs, so it doesn't seem light to me. Maybe that is considered light for a doumbek.

            Let me also explain that the way my online only business is set up. I use dropshipping, which means that I don't have a warehouse. You order from my site, and I order with my supplier(s). Maybe I'm breaking some unwritten rule about keeping this hush hush, but I appreciate honesty myself. So I don't actually have any of the things I sell on hand. No shop, just my computer and a totally secure and verified e-commerce website. I guarantee that most of the businesses you find that sell on the internet and don't mention an actual physical store sell their products in this same fashion. And yes, my supplier is Mid-East Manufacturing. Many of us that have suspiciously similar things get our supplies from them as well, that is why our product pictures and everything else is similar, like prices.

            So there you go Mark, you called me out! So, tell me about the doumbeks you like. You mention the Kevork. Sounds like its a real pro level drum. What is it about that line that you like? I am going to look into carrying those on my site as well. So, maybe instead of criticizing for a while, you can actually be helpful and tell us all about what YOU like, we already know what you don't like. Just an idea.

            Thanks!!
            Ted
            ps- No link to my site this time! Can you believe it?!?!? ;0)
            • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

              Thu, July 2, 2009 - 9:54 AM
              Hi, Ted, actually I am extremely helpful with my comments if you read them without becoming defensive. Some clarifications: my friend has a riqq, not a darbuka, from Remo and, no, she didn't drop it so it is probably a tension issue; I doubt you will be able to carry Kevork's products as my understanding is he builds each instrument individually while chain smoking cigarettes, and probably has a backlog of orders for the top percussionsists in the Middle East.

              I have been playing darbuka since 1972 and I have no tolerance for bad teachers and lousy drums. The drums I like are drums that kick ass. I am not concerned about labels or "names". I don't care if they cost $35 or $700, if they don't give me the sound and feel I want, I am not interested. I have yet to play a Kevork darbuka that sings, I've played Emins that also aren't anything special. Tobias has a very similar drum to one I have finish-wise but doesn't play at all the same (I have put some pictures of some of my drums up on my photo page). Yes, there is a consistency void in buying a darbuka, yet from the comments of people who own them, the Remo Ergo is not filling that void.

              Oh, yeah...that's www.helmmusic.com ...peace, over and out for now.

              If I am going to recommend a site to purchase darbukas over the Internet, ideally the person with that store plays darbuka, has some idea of what the drum needs to sound and feel like, and will personally be responsible for at least checking out that it works. Otherwise we are just talking price points.

              Only one guy I know carried a consistent quality line of reasonably priced darbuka from Egypt. Unfortunately he stopped carrying them and hasn't given up his source (BTW he's Egyptian). So. if you don't play well, don't speak Arabic, don't have connections with heavy people in the musician world of Cairo or Alexandria, and don't have an extreme amount of patience (and probably money) and luck, going to Egypt to buy good quality drums will not be easy.
              • Ted
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                Re: urgent doumbek buying help

                Thu, July 2, 2009 - 2:47 PM
                Hi Mark,

                Man, thank you so much for that info. and also the next post. And I do apologize for being defensive; I re-read mine and see that I was. Your insight here is excellent and extremely helpful. I checked out the Kevork and the Emin sites, and those look incredible, but of course, will be next to impossible to get.

                I hope that I wasn't too blatant in my honesty of my business, but I have found that honesty really will get you the furthest in the long run, even though it may hurt me in the short term. I am a musician, but definitely not a doumbek player. I play electric bass guitar in a couple of San Diego bands. Here are the links, we have a couple songs posted and a video I think.

                www.myspace.com/fourtwentyblackbirdz

                www.blackbirdzmusic.com

                www.ob3music.com

                I only have experience playing that ergo soloist, as I got one of those and a didjeridoo from my supplier. I got the "Doumbek- Technique and Rhythms" DVD by Amir Naoum from Amazon (it is a great one), so I'm learning the basic rhythms. I have pretty good meter, but having given it a go, I now really can appreciate how you pros are just amazing on those doumbeks! The fingers are flying in a blur! I really love the variety of snaps, pops and the like. For now, I'm trying to develop my left hand "Ka". Its tricky getting that third finger to just loosely "snap" the edge (at least consistently). I also am having a bit of a time of it trying to get that slap (?) technique with the slightly cupped right hand. I've watched several slightly different varieties done, and Amir talks about trying to kind of grab the skin with the fingers when you come down. So are you muting the skin when you come down? Again, I seem to make a decent slap sound sometimes, but not consistent at all. I know, just keep at it, like all things in life we want to do well at, takes time.

                I know people are suspicious of buying things online sometimes with all the scammers and those who are just in it for the business, and have absolutely no experience with what they are selling. I'm telling you, you have to trust me that I'm not just in it for money. It sounds corny, but it is because I have a love of music and also foreign cultures. I grew up overseas, as my father was a diplomat in the Foreign Service (State Department). I was born in Amman, Jordan in 1967. We were evacuated before the 7 day war. I have lived in Brazil twice (Sao Paulo as a youngster and later Brasilia for my last 3 years of high school), Tanzania (Dar es Salaam), Indonesia (Jakarta), The Netherlands (Den Hague), and finally Brazil again. It was an amazing first half of my life. I still keep in touch with many dear friends that I met in those wonderful countries we lived in. Just had a reunion with my Brazil buddies that we were in a band together in HS. That was fantastic. I was always fascinated with the music of these places, and was fortunate to witness these cultures first hand. My travels have been limited since high school though, but I did live in St. Croix, USVI a few years back. That was great too.

                Well, there is my background. I hope you understand a bit more about me, and that I do have a musical background and genuine interest in the world, world music, etc. Actually right now I'm listening to some Indian music, which always puts me in a sweet mellow mood. It reminds me of a gentle river flowing along, meeting the rapids occasionally. Geez, he waxes poetic.

                Mark, you are a good guy I can see that now. I am sorry for being a jerk. I think I can learn much from you guys who have been at it for years, so I'm going to do less promoting and more listening for a change. Everyone will benefit in the long run.

                Cheers, and happy 4th

                Ted
            • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

              Thu, July 2, 2009 - 12:38 PM
              Yeah, this issue (part of it, at least) seems to be coming up on the Issam Houshan tribe, too, Ted, and it obviously hasn't taken long to manifest itself else well. Might as well deal with it here and now.

              It's not that vendors, distributors, retailers and manufacturers aren't welcome on Tribe or anything like that ... quite the contrary, as it would actually be pretty cool to learn about the business side of dumbeketry, too ...

              BUT ...

              #1 All of us, in general, don't like to feel like they're being pitched to ... All of us get the constant feed of ads and marketing and bait-and-switch sales tactics in our mail, on the phone, on the TV, in our spam files, etc ... Come to Tribe as a businessman willing to share your experiences, great ... But most Tribe users probably won't appreciate being targeted for subtle self-promo campaigns ... We come here to talk about music, not get blitzed by ads, yes?

              #2 If you are here as a business, fine, but you might want to think about more clearly representing yourself as such. I've been reading your post for a few days now ... maybe I'm not as sharp as my colleagues and comrades here ... but I started thinking, "Damn, this guy REALLY seems to like that Ergo!" ... and then I clicked on your link ... and then I saw that this business was in San Diego ... and then I clicked on your profile ... and then I saw that YOU lived in San Diego ... And then I said, "Ahhhhhhh ha!" So, if you're a musician, be clear about that ... if you're a businessman, be up front about THAT! If you're BOTH, let us know, and we won't suspect that something shifty is going on ...

              'Cos Mark does bring up a good point ... How much experience DO you have? Are you making these recommendations based on many years playing Middle Eastern percussion instruments (based on your comments so far, I doubt this), or are you saying anything you need to say just to promote your business and sell your products? A VERY important distinction, I'm sure you'll agree!

              Be up-front, that's all I ask.
              • Ted
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                Re: urgent doumbek buying help

                Thu, July 2, 2009 - 2:59 PM
                Hi Geoff,

                Thanks for the feedback. Indeed, I understand that you don't want to be blatantly pitched at. Just to let you know, I am a musician (bass player), am learning doumbek (that's me playing the beginner beats in the video of my blog I posted earlier), so yes, that is my ergo soloist. No, I haven't tried any others, so that's why I don't try to compare it to anything else. I just think its a nice drum, it sounds great to me, and seems well built and solid. I did find that Suat Borazan (www.swatborazan.net) and Issam Houshan (www.issamhoushan.com) are both sponsored by Remo and really can make those things sound sweet. There are a couple of videos on their sites, and boy, do those guys tear it up. Of course, this is my non-seasoned opinion. I'm sure you guys tear it up too.

                Anyway, check out my reply to Mark's post, its really long (sorry), and goes into depth about me, my intentions as a business person, and background. I am honestly interested in learning more about doumbeks, Middle Eastern music, World music, etc. Not just so that I can sell more doumbeks, but because this has been part of my life for some time (been playing bass since 1984) and dabble with percussion for the last ten at least. Helps my bass playing.

                Take care,

                Ted
                • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

                  Fri, July 3, 2009 - 1:28 AM
                  "I am honestly interested in learning more about doumbeks, Middle Eastern music, ..." - ted

                  i'd suggest take the next month and read through the Dumbek Fever and Mid East Percussion tribes. through all of it's flaws, it's maybe the best place on the internet for real thoughts(not just ads) about these instruments. there are also tribes about many other mid east instruments, and music which are not so active but still have good info if you read back through the threads.

                  where are the good ole days of talking about technique...? sigh... seen any good new vids lately anyone?!! ; )
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                    Ted
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                    Re: urgent doumbek buying help

                    Fri, July 3, 2009 - 8:09 AM
                    Exactly!

                    That's why I'm here. I love the fact that it is active here. Alright, lets talk technique. So, as a beginner doumbek player, I'm practicing with this Amir Naoum DVD, which I like. He goes through the basics, some exercises and practice lessons, then the basic traditional beats. My meter is good, its just getting more consistent with the Ka and Slap hits. I am right handed, and my left feels so awkward! Its hard to get that 3rd finger snap on the edge with my left hand, but its getting there. Also, getting that sweet "pop" when I do the cupped finger slap thing is tricky too.

                    Any suggestions?
                    • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

                      Fri, July 3, 2009 - 7:04 PM
                      As for pops which most people refer to as slaps, the best way to succeed is to relax and actually hit the stroke with less force than a doum. Your hand position shouldn't perceptively change from your doum. If you were to put your drum upright with the head parallel to the ceiling and just have (no force on your part) your doum hand let gravity do its thing, you should get the correct sound. Keep the mental image, do it horizontally and you've got the first of many different pops you can learn.

                      As per ka, don't play it like the people in the video link you provided do. Most of the time their left hand strokes were a flopping mess. (This is not a comment on them as people for anyone offended by this characterization.) If your hands look like crap, they usually produce the expected result...crap. There are enough clips on youtube of people who actually know how to play. Check out Amir Naoum, Souhail Kaspar, Faisal Zedan, I'm on there somewhere though I don't always exhibit perfect Arab technique, Tobias Roberson to name a few. You're in San Diego, you'll probably need to go see Donavon at Studio Iqaat (he's got a 5 hour deal happening with Issam in Eagle Rock/Glendale, that should put you right!) or Souhail.
                      • Ted
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                        Re: urgent doumbek buying help

                        Sat, July 4, 2009 - 11:52 AM
                        Thanks Mark. So as I mentioned, I do have the Amir Naoum video, and you mentioned liking his instruction. Thanks too for that practice technique of putting the drum upright to work on the pop. And the SD connections for workshops/instruction. Excellent!
  • Re: urgent doumbek buying help

    Wed, July 1, 2009 - 6:55 AM
    Hi Louis,

    I´m still living in Tyrol / Austria / Europe and I can recommend one of RAQUY`s 6 or 4 peg Doumbeks ! I got one some weeks ago and I never saw before such a great quality and sound . I`m sure now, that Raquy and the guys in the back don`t send you a drum in a bad condition.

    Happy drumming
    Love and Peace from Austria

    Falk

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