Which Major Arcana card do you find the most perplexing?

topic posted Sat, March 28, 2009 - 1:46 PM by  Jenn
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For a long time it was the Hierophant. I would reference many books and resources. I would ask other readers. I finally did some intense work - meditating and going into the card. This is what I discovered:

I probably withdraw from this card because of its connotations to organized religion. Raised in the church, I started having dreams and premonitions which were shunned by many as evil. My dad, a chaplain in the Navy, was the only one who put it in perspective for me. He called them gifts and was excited that God had chosen to use me in this way. I thought I would find acceptance again. But instead, I met close minded people who saw me as evil and a threat.

I've grown beyond that now, studying metaphysics helped a lot. It is not the Devil worship that these close minded people feared. The more I learned, the more I agreed with my Dad--It is a gift from God-or however you choose to define the divine.

I've learned that the Hierphant represents the spiritual path, he is a light and a guide to others; all that is good and right about organized religion. However, he can become stodgy and mired down in dogma. Now when I see this card I have a new perspective to draw from.

How about you? Still searching? Something to add?
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Jenn
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  • The Hierophant also.It has a way of coming up in readings that make no sense to me.I've always associated it not just with religion,but with laws and higher authority, society's expectations/ status quo behavior.I've gotten that card more often in readings about relationships(if I'm reading for myself) and I can't get around it. The other card is Temperance.I also keep getting the Tower and Judgement mixed up interpetation wise.I know what you mean Jenn about closed minded people,grew up with that.At least,like you are lucky to have,my parents were less judgemental.It's a side of me I decided not to openly reveal nor brag about.If it comes up in conversations fine,if not I won't push it.I try my best to respect others and expect the same from them.It is a gift,and a challenge.
    • There are two ways of looking at any given card. It is said that each card has a positive and a negative interpretation, depending on the context. In the case of the Hierophant, the positive side is that he is to be understood as the gatekeeper of the mysteries. He teaches divine wisdom to those prepared to receive and understand it; he opens the gate for those who are eager to find the god in themselves. In the negative sense, he is the gatekeeper of the mysteries who refuses to do his job. Instead he keeps the gate tightly shut and locked so that none can enter. Jesus of Nazareth complained of the Pharisees in his day that they sat in the gate of the Temple and would not enter through that gate to enter the Presence of God, and not only that but tried to keep out those who were trying to enter. They were roadblocks rather than doormen. This is the difference between a shaman or a magus and a professional priest, preacher, pastor or whatever other flattering term claimed by our contemporary Pharisees.

      Obviously, a hierophant who acts as a guide and an initiator is a very different animal than a Hierophant who sits on the book of wisdom so that none can read it for themselves. Or in another figure, a man who bars the gate to those outside clamoring for entry. The latter has taken the keys to the gate he guards and locked them away in an iron chest, locked them up so securely that even he himself can't get at them anymore.

      With love under will,

      Bob, Adastra,
      The Wizzard of Jacksonville
      • "depending on the context. In the case of the Hierophant, the positive side is that he is to be understood as the gatekeeper of the mysteries. He teaches divine wisdom to those prepared to receive and understand it; he opens the gate for those who are eager to find the god in themselves. In the negative sense, he is the gatekeeper of the mysteries who refuses to do his job. Instead he keeps the gate tightly shut and locked so that none can enter."

        This would be also my interpretation of the Heirophant, I would LOOSELY associate him with highest aspect of the archetype of Jupiter/Sagittarius in astrology.
    • The Tower often signifies sudden loss or catastrophe which leads to the breaking down of a status quo or a set of beliefs. It could feel destructive at first but is necessary for growth. This is to be differentiated from the gradual outgrowing of a status quo or set of beliefs which could be signified by the Death card. Like Death, Tower often means change. It urges us to clear the slate and rebuild on that experience. Clearing the slate when the Tower card comes about can be very painful as we often place an attachment on what had been destroyed. Some examples of the Tower card in an individual's reading could point to a divorce or the loss of a job, all of which might seem unwarranted and destructive.

      The Judgement card is a different card altogether. It often means a resurrection from a previous state of confusion and sometimes past deeds and receiving punishment or reward depending on what has been done. Some keywords include rebirth or restart, or realisation of how past deeds have affected the present and could affect future. It also means that a decision that has been delayed needs to be made, and one needs to weigh the greater good in order to make the right decision. Sometimes it could also indicate karma and retribution. What has gone around has come around.
      • VI (Lovers)

        i've always been confused by this card.

        does this mean romantic love or something else?
        • It can be, but it's not always about romantic love - it can also be about choice. This card tends to be portrayed differently from deck to deck. Some decks depict 2 people in the card, the couple. Other decks depict a man and 2 women, and the Rider deck depicts a man, woman and a spriritual being (like an angel) giving it a rather Adam and Eve feel. So the overall energy of the card is one of love and decisions made in love or because of love and there is also a stronge spiritual or karmic energy in this card. The actual "interpretation" would depend on what you receive through the card at the time of the reading. This will depend on the question, the person you are reading for and possibly surrounding cards.
        • "VI (Lovers)
          i've always been confused by this card.
          does this mean romantic love or something else? "

          It seldom means romance. It more often relates to the paradigm of Gemini - choice.
          The card depicts a man choosing between an older experienced woman, and new virgin.
          This connotates choosing between what is known (the woman in red) and what is unknown (woman in white).
          It may also be shown to describe the choice between the material/sexual world (red) and the spiritual divine world (white).
          Do we continue as we always have (red) or do we do something new (white).

          Crucially, cupid is poised above the trio, his arrow will strike at any moment. We have to make a choice, but we can't be all day about it, or at any moment fate will strike and the choice will be taken from us.
      • "Tower often means change. It urges us to clear the slate and rebuild on that experience. Clearing the slate when the Tower card comes about can be very painful as we often place an attachment on what had been destroyed. Some examples of the Tower card in an individual's reading could point to a divorce or the loss of a job, all of which might seem unwarranted and destructive."

        I often find the Tower to be a very humbling card. It basically shows that no matter how much materialism and security we draw around ourselves, 'God' can still destory it in a heartbeat, because it is less real than he is. Perhaps an esoteric interpretation. It reminds me of the Tower of Babel, where the people sought to be able to reach heaven by material construction. They failed.
        For me it warns against too much materialism, and too much attachment to what you've built up. Never let it distract you from spirituallity or God, the side-effect is painful change.
        • The Tower

          Sat, April 4, 2009 - 10:46 AM
          This card always refers to change, to violent or upsetting change, if fact. Unlike the Tower, the Death trump refers to natural, flowing change. The Tower is catastrophic, Death smooth and natural.

          The true secret of the Tower is that the change has long been needed, but is being resisted by the querent. It is a warning that the pressure for change is now so powerful that soon it will be irresistible and will sweep the querent along by main force, whether he/she is prepared for the experience or not. The counsel is to accept the change, prepare for it, ride it out and avoid being terrified by something that is going to happen regardless and will ultimately prove a blessing provided we don't let fear of change get in our way and ruin the experience for ourselves. The Tower refers to change that is necessary for the querent's ultimate benefit, but has been blocked by negativity and ignorant fear.

          "He not busy being born is busy dying."

          The Tower may seem as frightening as physical death often does, but it will prove to be an awakening, perhaps even a rebirth into new life.

          Go with the flow; don't fight it, learn to swim or you will drown.

          With love under will,

          Bob, Adastra.
          The Wizzard of Jacksonville
  • I find the moon the most intriging, not really perplexing as such. One of my friends always sees this card as a warning of deceit. I have read this as a time of awakening, something from the deep recesses of the soul coming to the surface, a time of heightend instincts, etc. But it is interesting because I rarely see the same thing in this card twice.
    • "But it is interesting because I rarely see the same thing in this card twice. "

      Perhaps the reason you never see the same thing twice is because it can also be interpreted as "Illusion," not unlike the illusions we see on a moonlit stroll in the woods. By day, we see clearly. By night, we see what our mind interprets the barely illuminated shapes to be. Perhaps your intuition is seeing through the illusion to allow awakening? Nice!
    • "I find the moon the most intriging, not really perplexing as such."

      Yes I think the moon is certainly one of the more interesting cards. Traditionally it is associated with Pisces, I've never understood this. I always see the push/pull action of the chariot more like the fish swimming in opposite directions, whilst I see the Moon as being more Cancer, with the pool surrounded by earth (emotional flesh surrounded by shell) and in many decks an actual crab is present. I understand that the pillars and wolves may symbolise the duality of the fish, but I still feel the Moon is related Cancer, perhaps because of the astrological rulership.

      I personally find the Fool card the most interesting, and Temperance the most confusing.
      • Temperance

        Sat, April 4, 2009 - 11:39 AM
        Temperance, called Art in the Thoth deck, refers to an old alchemical formula, "Visita Interiora Terrae, Rectificando Invenies Occultum Lapidem." From its initials, this is known as the formula of Vitriol, the "Universal Solvent". But this refers to alchemical or occult vitriol, not to common or mundane vitriol.

        Technically, the word vitriol means "the sulfate of of any of various metals," ( copper, iron, zinc, etc.). This sulfate often displays a glassy luster, which explains the derivation "vitriol" from "vitrum", the Latin for "glass." The more exact connotation in alchemical terms is to sulfuric acid, which is not really the Universal Solvent (a term with a more spiritual referent), but is a symbol of the Solvent. The Universal Solvent is presumed to dissolve any material form whatever. It is a formula for self-initiation.

        In English, the term translates as, "Visit the Interior of the Earth, by Rectification Discover the Hidden Stone." Each of these terms must be understood in a metaphoric or spiritual sense, if we are to understand what the heck the formula means. First, what is the "Interior of the Earth"? In alchemical terms it is the interior of the soul of the alchemist himself. In this view, each person, each human consciousness stands at the exact center of his/her own private universe, since modern science has demonstrated the truth of the old mystical statement that "the universe is a sphere whose center is everywhere and whose surface is nowhere." As we sit in meditation, on planet Earth, the universe spreads out around us in all directions, so that if we were to set out in any given direction and follow it in a straight line, we would eventually come back to where we started but from the opposite side. So the instruction means to penetrate to the center of one's own mind and awareness, a meditative technique. Once there we are to engage in "Rectification", whatever that might be. To an alchemist, this refers to a process of repeated distillation and condensation. A liquid is distilled by application of heat to convert the liquid to a vapor. Then it is condensed by cooling to become a liquid again, in a purer form. In alchemy, this process is to be repeated over and over, bringing the original liquid to a more and more pure form. The liquid in this case is the human soul, often represented by liquid mercury. It is also recommended that the heat used should be a low, steady heat, continued for a long time, not a fiery, violent heat, but gentle, persuasive, calm and comforting. In terms of the soul, this is to be understood as a process of slow, careful refinement of the thoughts, feelings and sensibilities of one's own mind and soul.

        And by this process, we are to find or discover the hidden stone. Which stone is this? Why, it's the philosopher's stone, of course, the Stone of the Wise, the Summum Bonum, True Wisdom and Perfect Happiness. The formula suggests a lot of very careful, steady, continuing work on oneself if we want to become true alchemists. Needless to say, this has nothing to do with making gold from lead, except in the sense of making a god from the weak human material we are forced to begin with. It is the way to become "more than human." And it takes fierce dedication and an incredible amount of work.

        I can testify personally to the effectiveness of the formula. There was a time when I was experimenting with brainwave entrainment and hemisphere balancing. Using a theta rhythm DVD one day, I sank deeper and deeper into meditation. After a while, I suddenly realized with something of a shock that I had just experienced a period of no thought whatever. I only knew that some time had passed during which I was wide awake, but completely void of thought. How much time? No idea. This was the creation of the Universal Solvent that dissolved even the seeker himself. From that time on, I knew from experience that I do not, in fact, exist--or as I like to put it, "I am a product of my own imagination." This is the goal of alchemy; it is a realization of complete independence, perfect freedom. This is the Stone of the Wise by which every experience of our souls is translated into the pure gold of Perfect Happiness. Now the only problem is how to bring that gold back from the inner parts of the earth to illuminate our lives. But that is a lesson for another day. All you really need with today's technology is a tape or disk designed to entrain Theta rhythms and balance the brain's hemispheres, plus some experience in meditation and a dose of patience. Slow and steady wins the race at last.

        In a reading, it may (rarely) mean the querent is advised to undertake this most sacred quest. More often, it reflects the promise that whatever project the querent may have underway will achieve success, but only after a complicated process of effort, stratagem and circuitous manouever. In these circumstances, the direct route will fail, the querent must approach his/her problems from a fresh angle and be prepared for a long, winding road to success.

        I hope these notes prove useful,

        With love under will,

        Bob, Adastra,
        The Wizzard of Jacksonville
        • Re: Temperance

          Sat, April 4, 2009 - 1:49 PM
          Adastra

          Thanks!!!

          I would be lying if I said, all done, I now understand the Temperance card! However, I'm much more educated on it now! I will have to meditate on the symbolism and meaning of the card in light of what you've said and see what comes to mind. I understand what you are sayin ghtough and have to admit that I was not very close in my own musing of the card. I was thinking about the dissolution, in the style of a Neptune transit, whereby the ego is dissolved into the spiritual, the masculine and the feminine also dissolve into one another, the spiritual and the material. I wasn't miles away, but I wasn't close enough either!
          • Re: Temperance

            Sat, April 4, 2009 - 9:02 PM
            >>>ego is dissolved into the spiritual, the masculine and the feminine also dissolve into one another, the spiritual and the material.<<<

            Thanks, Paul, I'm glad you got something out of that. I have to say, though, that my understanding is that the ego doesn't dissolve in the sense of vanishing going away. It merely becomes irrelevant temporarily. In Hawai'ian mysticism, aka huna, the ego is necessary because it is the part of the mind that makes the decisions necessary in daily life. It is simply that the illusion of the all-powerful ego is destroyed in the process of enlightenment. The human ego remains a useful tool for daily life in the physical world; only from the spiritual perspective can we see it's smallness and irrelevance. In the same way, the male and the female can dissolve into each other at the spiritual and the emotional level, but physically we are stuck with the plumbing our parents' DNA assigned to us. And the spiritual may be seen as identical with the physical, but the wise will realize that we must remain constantly aware which set of conditions we are dealing with at any given time. They may be the same fundamentally, but we have to deal with them in terms of consensus reality nontheless. Illuminism is a way of reaching beyond the common world we know and getting outside the prison walls of our sense of separateness, but we must not simply discard those walls if we want to continue to function in consensus reality.

            As the old Zen saying has it,"Before enlightenment, mountains are mountains and rivers are rivers. When enlightenment comes, mountains are no longer mountains and rivers are no longer rivers. After enlightenment, mountains are once again mountains and rivers are once again rivers." Or more simply, "Before enlightentment, chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water."

            Or as I like to put it, "We have to climb beyond the lower rungs of the ladder which are the rational thought processes to reach the heights of the spirit; but we must not cut away the lower rungs and regard them as useless once they have been transcended. We still have to use them to bring those mountaintop insights back down to the common ground of everyday life if they are to be of any use--to ourselves or to others."

            And, pardon me, that is more than enough on the subject. Verb sap.

            With love under will,

            Bob, Adastra,
            The Wizzard of Jacksonville

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