I cant read the cards but need help

topic posted Sat, April 19, 2008 - 11:22 AM by  ruth
I can't join in your game but I have surfed the net looking for a genuine reader who's not looking to make profits but is genuinely using their gift to help people. Can you help me?
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ruth
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    Sat, April 19, 2008 - 10:18 PM
    It sounds like your problem may be of a serious nature and I would suggest that you not turn to psychics to deal with such issues. Tarot reading and the like are usually meant as a form of entertainment and should be taken lightly. Some people take whatever they are told by "psychics" to heart, and base their life choices on what they are told. I have been one of those people, and I speak from experience when I say that you should listen to yourself and follow your gut and instincts. It can also become addicting and make you feel like you cannot make any decisions without seeking "help" first.

    Most people who read tarot cards are not gifted psychics, they are people just like you who happened to have bought a stack of cards and learned what they mean. Anyone can read tarot cards. I hope someone will give you a reading, since you obviously are looking for some sort of answer to an issue. But I also hope that you take whatever you hear w/ a grain of sand. Also, if you are looking for a reading, it helps when you ask a specific question.
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      Sat, April 19, 2008 - 10:22 PM
      And I am thinking it's prob a romantic issue... which is why I bring this up. I went through something last year where I was mad about a particular guy. I turned to Ouijia board and my tarot cards, which told me he didn't like me... that he was a bad person... all of this negative stuff. I switched jobs to get away from him. Now, I am starting to realize that he probably did like me now that I am back at my old job, but now he has a girlfriend. He didn't have a girlfriend the entire time I worked there, only after I had left for some time. Anyway, I should have listened to my heart... not the spirit realm or tarot cards. Just my two cents.
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        Sun, April 20, 2008 - 11:40 AM
        And therein lies the problem of not being scrupulously honest from the depths of your toenails when handling oracular devices. The Tarot is not for entertainment, neither is it to be taken lightly. If this is your approach it is no wonder that your results are less than felicitous.

        I personally think that "psychic" abbility is balderdash - what we call "psychic" is often a combination of skill, intuition, and hypercognitive processing of data coupled with a willingness to be open to the Universe and really hear its information. It's tough, but it's the only way to really make the Tarot - and other oracular tools - yield useful information. That includes "listening to your heart."

        As to ouija boards - they are the vacant lots of the occult. All sorts of things come through a ouija board, and not all of them are benign. Just because something's discoroprate it doesn't mean it's bright, or favourably disposed towards humans. To get good, reliable results with a ouija board takes great skill and careful warding.
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          Sun, April 20, 2008 - 11:46 AM
          I believe that some people can actually tune into others vibrations and thoughts. The tarot in my opinion is not one hundred per cent reliable because it can at times tune into your own expectations. I am intelligent enough to realise that I can not make my decisions based upon someone's reading. However, I do believe that if you meet someone who has the ability to tune into other's vibrations, then you can get some clear guidance regarding the situation. The challenge lies in finding one such genuine reader.
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          Sun, April 20, 2008 - 11:48 AM
          Ruth -

          Do you have a Tarot deck of your own? If so, before you go looking for psychics or readers or anyone that hangs a neon palm sign in their window, pull out your deck. Pull out some cards (no more than three or four - best to keep it simple) and look at them. Listen to what they're saying to you. Write down everything that comes to you without any filters or censorship. Come back to those cards and your writing after a few hours (or days, even) and see what wisdom you can access. Pay attention to your dreams. Look to yourself for answers before giving your power away to some self-declared expert.

          One of the many problems with modern life in the West is that there is no mechanism for honouring the Spirit and the Wisdom we all have dwelling with in us. We are encouraged to consult "experts" rather than listening first to our own inner voice and the acquired wisdom of our ancestors that we carry within us.

          The advantage of having a clear strong connection to your inner self is that it provides one with a good "B.S. metre" that helps filter out potetntially damaging input and enables one to extract personally useful information from a variety of sources.
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            Sun, April 20, 2008 - 11:54 AM
            wow, thats really good advice! I do have my own set. A set of normal traditional cards and one of angel cards. What I have found though is that the answers are never clear. Find it really hard to read for myself! Always feel I'm biased and cant really trust the reading!
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              Sun, April 20, 2008 - 12:02 PM
              It's hard to listen to our inner voice and find our connexion to the divine amongst the din of modern life, and nothing in our daily lives really supports that inner listening. Women especially are not encouraged to listen and trust what comes from within rather than the barrage of "authorities."

              To stop and listen is to execute an act of powerful (and healing) subversion. The trick is to get the hang of knowing what the inner truth sounds like as opposed to what you want to hear. Once you know what that "ring of truth" sounds like you can hear it in the voices of those around you as well as within yourself.

              However, even when the cards tell you what you want to hear it can give you insights into what you need to know. There is great power in really knowing what you want and then taking steps to get it.
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                Sun, April 20, 2008 - 12:12 PM
                just tried it..very weird! Cant bring myself to trust the answer...
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                  Sun, April 20, 2008 - 12:39 PM
                  Write it down, set it aside for a little bit and then come back to it.

                  If you feel ok with it, you can also share it with this tribe and compare your impressions with what you got. The diversity of opinions is always quite remarkable - and you only have to take what you need and leave the rest.
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                    Sun, April 20, 2008 - 2:28 PM
                    "The Tarot is not for entertainment, neither is it to be taken lightly. If this is your approach it is no wonder that your results are less than felicitous."

                    You mistake my meaning.... I personally do not view it as such, though I recommend to people who see psychics that they do. I have known many people who turn to psychics for every problem and they end up ruining their lives and wasting their money. I also have had friends who feel like they need to consult me and my cards every time they have a problem in their life. Sometimes it is best to live life and make your own decisions for yourself.

                    You have no way of knowing whether or not the reader is credible or not w/o trial and error. I do think it is best to read your own cards, if you can. Unfortunately, certain people have a hard time reading their own cards b/c they can get a false read.

                    I no longer use oujia boards, though I grew up using them since I was a child and spoke to a particular spirit guide each time, who supposedly cared for me. I am fairly certain that he lied to me out of jealousy about that particular subject... Even good spirits are not perfect. I do not recommend to others that they use that medium.
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                      Mon, April 21, 2008 - 12:19 AM
                      Never tried a medium and I am not particularly keen on talking to the other side. I am a firm beliver thaugh that we all have spiritual guides/angels with us.
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                        Mon, April 21, 2008 - 12:49 AM
                        If it is a relationship issue, you may just want to consult astrology. I find that to be an easier way to go on such issues. Matters of the heart, at least for me, can add a lot of emotions, which can mess up a tarot reading...
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                          Mon, April 21, 2008 - 12:54 AM
                          How can astrology help? never thought about that option.
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                            Mon, April 21, 2008 - 1:45 AM
                            If it's a relationship issue, you can look at both of your natal birth charts for answers... if you are wondering if a guy is right for you or if there's something about him that you can figure out, astrology can be very helpful. And I don't mean horoscopes, I mean real astrology.
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                              Wed, April 23, 2008 - 5:00 AM
                              Teresa your full of it, if you think tarot is for entertainment then your fuzzy in the brain, why dont you join another tribe like the tarot for entertainment tribe.
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                                Wed, April 23, 2008 - 5:02 AM
                                and if thats not what you meant why write it? you silly person?
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                                  Wed, April 23, 2008 - 11:50 AM
                                  I just said why I wrote it.... I suggest that others who are not adept in the tarot reading not take it too seriously. I have been a victim to bad "psychics" myself at a young age and I don't want anyone else going through that. I can have an opinion. And, no, I am not a silly person in the least. Quite the opposite.

                                  Like I said, it's best to try to read your own cards.
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          Sun, June 29, 2008 - 10:37 AM
          >>>To get good, reliable results with a ouija board takes great skill and careful warding<<<

          And anyone that skilled and that good with wards surely knows a half-dozen easier, safer, more reliable methods of divination anyway.

          With love under will,

          Bob, Adastra,
          The Wizzard of Jacksonville
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      Thu, April 24, 2008 - 1:35 AM
      "Tarot reading and the like are usually meant as a form of entertainment and should be taken lightly."

      this is the bset advice you're likely to get!

      If there is something serious, see a professional not a tarot reader.
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    Wed, April 23, 2008 - 9:45 AM
    Well my situation is getting more and more confusing and i cant get any guidance from my readings :(
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      Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:14 AM
      Take a break from the cards - all divination, for that matter - sometimes one can importune the oracle to much (and then you AND the oracle get bunchy).

      For a different tack, approach your issue like a scientific problem - make lists of pros and cons, try to be as logical and unsentimental as possible. Ask friends - or even strangers - their opinions. You don't have to take anyone's advice, but other people's perspective can often lend you insights that you would not see on your own. Shaking up your usual thought patterns can help open windows you might not realise you have in your soul.

      then after awhile (a cooling off period, if you will) pick up the cards and ask a general question - take a snapshot of the now, looking at the entirety of your life , not just your problem.

      One of the hardest things to do is to hear the ring of inner truth without all the gabbling that generally goes on in one's head. If you can get the knack of that, then it will become easier. You have to let go of your expectations, though, which is never easy.

      See if some fresh air and different approaches don't help.
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    Wed, April 23, 2008 - 12:00 PM
    Good Point! I didn't mean to be rude. I think the question I ask the cards because in life the signals are mixed...is whether or not my boyfriend is going to commit...
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      Wed, April 23, 2008 - 12:24 PM
      If the cards aren't working right now - I repeat, back away from the Tarot deck.

      Try alternative ways of looking at your problem, or even better - stop thinking about the problem for awhile.

      You'll be better for the breather
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        Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:05 PM
        Yeah, that's why I suggested astrology. It's a different way of approaching a problem. If you are wondering if he is going to commit, you can look at his astrology chart to see if he is the type of guy who is the committing type or not. You can also compare your charts to see if you are the type of women he'd want to commit to. It helps me when I use BOTH tarot and astrology... that way if one seems like it's off, then I have another take on an issue.

        I guess I shouldn't be so hard on tarot regarding my issue, since I had several other readers come up w/ similar answers. So maybe all the doom and gloom was right about that particular guy. It's just hard to hear negative things when it comes to relationship issues.

        Ruth - I said all of these things earlier b/c I was getting a negative reading for you and I didn't want to say anything... I'm really bad about telling people bad things. I'm BY NO MEANS a great tarot reader, though... especially over the internet. I'm not even going to tell you what it said b/c it could be totally off...
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          Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:54 PM
          Would someone else try to give Ruth a reading? This is really bugging me. I do hope that I am wrong.
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            Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:14 PM
            i gave her a reading in a different tribe... but, you've already said it's bad, so you might as well say what it was now, right? i'm not understanding the half-secrecy?
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              Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:34 PM
              I'm not digging the animosity in this tribe... so I will not be coming back.

              Just wanted to say -

              It basically said that the guy she is w/ is either going to cheat or thinking of cheating w/ some time in the future (though it didn't look like it would be in the immediate future) w/ a beautiful woman (or at least he will think her beautiful - Empress card). The woman was represented as the Queen of Cups - so likely a blonde.
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    Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:33 AM
    Hi. Try these angel card readings at voiceoftheangels.com. They are uncannily accurate and free. I think they will help you. There is also a spiritual forum there that is free and is there to genuinely help people.
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      Thu, April 24, 2008 - 11:20 AM
      Wow, Im really sorry I cause all these problems. I appreciate your reading gabby and I had posted this request when I got it, so I apologise. I am sorry to have caused such a riot.
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        Thu, April 24, 2008 - 12:24 PM
        You didn't create any riot or any negative energy, Ruth. You're just looking for answers, and we can all relate to that because we were all newbies to Tarot at some point. I think it's us folks who're trying to help you who have brought the bad energy...

        But honestly, I just get annoyed when people do that "I have a secret but I can't tell you" thing! I mean, either tell it or don't tell it... it's just a pet peeve of mine. :P If she left because of that, then she was being way too sensitive. I wouldn't trust her reading either--(I'm guessing already that you aren't trusting it, but who knows). The tarot is just not that direct as to say "your lover will cheat on you with a blonde woman." You just can't really get those kinds of cut-and-dry answers.
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          Thu, April 24, 2008 - 12:42 PM
          I guess we are all intuitive in some way and it seemed to me she was trying to justify herself. As far as her reading, it was so off yours and mine it didn't ring true. I am not saying she is wrong, I have my own fears and there are many difficulties but as I said it didn't feel like a genuine response but more of a bluff. Thanks for all your help though :)
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          Sun, June 29, 2008 - 10:52 AM
          >>>The tarot is just not that direct as to say "your lover will cheat on you with a blonde woman." You just can't really get those kinds of cut-and-dry answers.<<<

          Actually, it can happen; it has happened in my experience a number of times. As an example: I was once doing a reading at a psychic fair for a black lady who came in and asked about "relationships". During the reading, I discovered that she was separated from her husband and was having an affair with another man (represented by the Prince of Wands). Prince of Wands was married, his wife represented by the Princess of Wands. I told the querent that this was a woman to be very careful with, since she is extremely jealous and has a vicious temper. By way of illustration, I told her, "This is the kind of woman who carries a straight-razor in her purse." At this, the querent turned almost pale, looking a bit frightened and replied, "That's right, she does. I've seen it." This was surprising, since I was merely drawing on a stereotype to get the point across; it was not intended as a "psychic vision" or any such nonsense. So these things do happen if we are open to them and follow our intuitions.

          The universe is not only stranger than we imagine; it is stranger than we are able to imagine.

          With love under will,

          Bob, Adastra,
          The Wizzard of Jacksonville
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    Thu, April 24, 2008 - 11:25 AM
    WOW just tried the angel cards! Wow Wow, truly amazing!
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      Fri, April 25, 2008 - 6:12 PM
      Hey Ruth (and everyone) it may be me being a completely practical Taurus here.... but if you want to know if the guy you're with is going to commit to you (however you define commit) why not ask him? I know that for me in the past I've asked the cards about similar things and it's usually because I'm too scared to ask a partner outright. The last time my own instincts were telling me that the relationship was toxic for all of us, but every single reading I did said "it's great - stay with it." And yeah, I was doing my own readings. So....I think sometimes the cards are great to go to and sometimes with issues and questions like this the best way to get the answer you seek is to ask the folks involved straight up. That's my opinion of course and you can take it or leave it - whatever works best for you.

      Good luck and I hope everything turns out the way you want.

      Peace,
      Raven
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        Sat, April 26, 2008 - 1:58 AM
        Hi Haven,

        I have asked him. He asked to be patient as there are other issues involved. I guess I was asking the cards if these issues would be resolved. :)
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          Sat, April 26, 2008 - 12:45 PM
          *nod* That seems a fairly good question to ask them. You may also want to sit down with yourself and find out if waiting for those issues to be resolved are good for you (forgive me if I'm being too nosy sometimes my inner counselor gets out of control and I have to sit on her really hard *G*). Relationship stuff is often the thing most folks want to ask tarot readers and other divination experts about and they are often also the most complex things to answer and pin down.

          Good luck hon.

          Peace,
          Raven
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            Sun, April 27, 2008 - 3:58 AM
            Thanks Raven,

            I have asked myself whether it is a good thing to wait...right now I don't feel I cannot wait. The ball is very much in his court feelings wise. I want to be with him, have no doubts in my heart as to wanting to spend the rest of my life with him. He is going through so many changes emotionally due to circumstances that I don't know how he will eventually feel. This is where I turned to the tarot, maybe to ask for reassurance, in terms of his future feelings or perhaps guidance as to how I can support him rather than pushing him away not deliberately.
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              Sun, April 27, 2008 - 6:11 AM
              Sounds like you know what it is that you want- to be with this guy- and you're trying to see if his schtuff will resolve in your favour. No? If you want to continue down the tarot road then you might consider asking a different question. My usual one is "What do I need to do?" I don't add the words "about X," but rather ask Spirit to point me in the direction of what will improve me or my life and maybe give me some warning of what challenges are around the bend. I get a lot of relationship info this way (I'm married)... mostly a heads up that something will go pear shaped and put himself in a mood or whatever.

              Having this really open question does a couple of neat things: 1. it takes the focus off what I've defined as a problem (Spirit doesn't always seem to agree on what constitutes a "problem" in my experience.) and 2. it opens up the possibility (for you) of understanding something much more immediately important. Or to put it another way: your readings may be wonky because your Guide or Guardian isn't asking the question you asked. Consider that there is every possibility that while you're asking the colour of the sky they are telling you that apples are sweet.

              Looking back at your last post. Perhaps you should ask what you really want to know "what di I eed to do to support this person?"
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                Sun, April 27, 2008 - 7:13 AM
                Excellent advice, I will try that thanks!
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                  Sat, June 28, 2008 - 7:42 PM
                  Ruth - I don't know if this subject is still important to you or not, but I thought I'd try a horary astrology reading for the time you first posted this question. If any of this doesn't make sense, just let me know...

                  Anywho, in horary, a question is answered using an astrology chart of all the planets in 12 signs of the zodiac and is based on the time/date/place of your question and the Moon plays a big part in answering the question (how it aspects other planets - good or bad).

                  You are signified by the planet that is naturally ruled by the Ascendant, or rising sign. In this case the Ascendant is in the sign of Cancer, so you are signified by the Moon. Normally the Moon is a co-signifier for the person asking the question, but for you it is the main significator. Your boyfriend is signified by the planet ruled by the sign that is on the cusp of 7th house - which is Capricorn, therefore he is signified by Saturn.

                  You (the Moon) are in the sign of Libra, which is appropriate for a love question (Libra is associated w/ matters of the heart). With an Ascendant in Cancer, you are likely a bit emotional/sensitive in regards to this matter, and you are also very intuitive about the feelings/emotions of your partner, so you may already know the answers to your questions but do not want to face them. Your co-significator is Mars, because it is placed in the 1st house (house of self). Mars is in its fall in Cancer, which means the energy of this planet is weakened, and it is also detrimented by your Moon in Libra (Libra is detrimental to Mars). Mars represents your physical self, while the Moon represents your heart/mind. This shows that you are very unhappy in your current situation, and possibly even angry and hyper-emotional.

                  Your boyfriend is signified by Saturn in Virgo. When a partner is signified by Saturn, he often takes on the characteristics of this planet (and may even have some Capricorn in his native chart), which means he is very career-driven, steady, loyal and can be hard to read in regards to his feelings. The fact that Saturn is in Virgo can also mean he can be hyper-critical of others. You and he are not aspecting one another, which can be viewed as unfavorable. However, his Saturn is exalted in Libra, the sign of your main planetary significator. This means he does have great love for you. Yet, your co-significator of Mars in Cancer is detrimental to his Saturn. This may mean that he is not very physically attracted to you, whether he would admit it or not. Although he has great love for you, your relationship may be missing some spark. When someone has the characteristics of Saturn, they often stay in relationships for a long time, wether the relationship is good or not. They have a hard time moving on.

                  Yet Jupiter, the planet of luck, is very favorably placed in the 7th house of marriage/partnership. Though, it is in its fall in Capricorn, which lessens the effect and the quality of this relationship. However, your boyfriend’s planet is dignified by Capricorn, and this suggests that he will one day commit to you and possibly marry you, though I am not sure that he is the best match for you.

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