The Hermit

topic posted Fri, September 21, 2007 - 10:32 PM by  The Goat
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Is the hermit a seeker or a teacher?

I am getting this card repeatedly in my readings for myself. I am in college again at the age of 34. I have been reading it as a seeker, but I am I not simply a student at the moment? I have the deep belief that life is about learning, is it time for me to pass on what I know as well? How can the hermit be a teacher? He does not seek out a student. He is a solitary figure, searching. This card has always been close to my heart, but it seems that I have not truly understood it. I would greatly appreciate anybody insight into it.
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The Goat
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  • Re: The Hermit

    Sat, September 22, 2007 - 2:47 AM
    The Hermit represents Fertility, according to Crowley. His is the light of wisdom. The card is attributed to the sign of Virgo. He reminds us of Diogenes who roamed the earth seeking an honest man. He is still searching. He is both a seeker and a teacher since one must seek before one is qualified to teach and once one has learned, what is there to do with the knowledge gained but to share it, for in that way one learns still more,


    With love,

    Bob Pendell,
    aka Adastra, the Wizzard of Jacksonville
    • Re: The Hermit

      Sat, September 22, 2007 - 6:20 PM
      The Hermit is a culmination of wisdom and experience and represents the end of a major life phase.

      The hermit has reached a pinicle of understanding that has not yet transmuted or transformed into the action of wisdom, yet the experience to enact the wisdom is not seen yet...henced the withdrawl of energies and the idea of isolation.
      • Rob
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        Re: The Hermit

        Wed, November 28, 2007 - 11:16 PM
        I appreciate this concise interpretation. What does it mean upside down?
        • Re: The Hermit

          Thu, November 29, 2007 - 7:00 PM
          As a rule I won't read upside down cards, with the exception of the Hanged Man. The deck I read is considered balanced and drawn in a fashion to discourage inverted cards. The backside of the cards have a face that is obviously rightside up or not. The authour did this on purpose with the idea Waite "had to" introduce the reverses to make up for imbalances and lackings inflicted with the Golden Dawn's imbalanced philosophy of divide, concour and rule.
          • Max
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            Re: The Hermit

            Sat, December 1, 2007 - 8:03 AM
            Dear Frank,

            I've never read or heard anyone mention that Waite "'had to' introduce the reverses to make up for
            imbalances". Do you have a source or any thoughts how I can follow up on this information?
            I hope it's not too much to ask. But, it's such a potentially delicious thread.

            LLL,

            Max
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      Re: The Hermit

      Wed, September 26, 2007 - 8:31 AM
      oh god crowley? we dont even mention that name around here, that is a weird word to describe the hermit....fertility?
      • Max
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        Re: The Hermit

        Wed, November 28, 2007 - 9:57 AM
        Actually not . . . it's the Yod connection.

        LLL,

        Max
        • Max
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          Re: The Hermit

          Wed, November 28, 2007 - 1:39 PM
          My prior response doesn't make any sense as placed on the list. I was responding to Shel's post
          which said "oh god crowley? we dont even mention that name around here, that is a weird word to
          describe the hermit....fertility?"

          And, my answer was "Actually not . . . it's the Yod connection". Here, I was saying that fertility is not a
          weird word to describe the Hermit.

          lol . . . now, that it's in context I hope it makes sense to some members.

          LLL,

          Max
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      Re: The Hermit

      Wed, September 26, 2007 - 8:34 AM
      sorry adastra i cant stand the unameable one or his sick cards, nothing personal
      • Re: The Hermit

        Wed, September 26, 2007 - 7:09 PM
        <sorry adastra i cant stand the unameable one or his sick cards, nothing personal>

        Sorry, I didn't know about your prejudice against the One Whom You Wish Not To Be Named. His sinister reputation is better understood as baseles scandal circulated by the early twentieth century equivalents of the National Inquirer. He is described by those who knew him best as a charming man with a sharp wit and deep wisdom. He personally enjoyed the bizarre stories being circulated about his and did nothing to refute them as that would have spoiled the fun.

        I hope that you will try learning a bit more about the man before condemning him.

        As for his cards, I find them utterly inspiring.

        With love,

        Bob, aka Adastra,
        The Wizzard of Jacksonville
        • Re: The Hermit

          Sun, November 18, 2007 - 6:33 PM
          One Whom You Wish Not To Be Named was no saint - he managed to put one wife into the loony bin and I have it on good authority that he did like to bugger little boys.

          That being said, you are right Wizzard - the man was a genius and largely a victim of bad press. He helped Churchill defeat the Nazis too. A very interesting story for anyone who chooses to investigate it. I am studying a lot of One Whom You Wish Not To Be Named's work at the moment. He does have some unusual - by today's "white light" seeker standards - takes on some of the cards, but he is able to support these with comprehensive theory and sound occult philosophy.

          It is my belief that anyone who would write off the man's teachings because of popular society's skewed opinion of him is missing out on a lot of crucial occult knowledge. Open your minds people! Write him off if you want to, but at least give him a chance! I think most folks would be greatly surprised at what they find.
          • Re: The Hermit

            Thu, December 6, 2007 - 8:42 AM
            I agree with a good deal of what you say about Mr C.

            He indeed did like to bugger little boys as you put it, he also aludes to sacrificing children to specific deities.

            "And this ram should be virgin--the whole potential of its original total energy should not have been diminished in any way. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim."

            I have no doubt that his occult philosophy "worked well" for him at the expense of his soul, however, if your only way of accumulating power is to sacrifice children, you power is rooted in the external, and without it you are powerless. Better if you choose to find your own inner powers, which you may find mean you need to self sacrifice a little to gain a lot. A thing most people do not wish to do.

            He was a clever man, just like Hitler was. However cleverness is not the greatest ideal nor the greatest ambition we should possess. A hand of might and intellect must always be tempered by the hand of emotion and compassion.
            • Re: The Hermit

              Sat, December 8, 2007 - 3:03 PM
              <"And this ram should be virgin--the whole potential of its original total energy should not have been diminished in any way. For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim.">

              Paul, may I respectively point out that you are quoting out of context. This passage is from "Magick in Theory and Practice", Chapter XII, titled, "Of the Bloody Sacrifice: and Matters Cognate." In this you are not the least bit in error, since the quote does appear as you have quoted it.

              But may I draw your attention to the very end of the chapter?-- the final sentence, in fact: "You are also likely to get into trouble over this chapter unless you truly comprehend its meaning." That alone should be a clue that there is a hidden meaning to the instructions he gives in the chapter. And in footnote #2 at the bottom of the page, he adds, ". . .I have chosen the expressions in this Chapter in such a way that it is likely to mislead those magicians who allow selfish interests to cloud their intelligence, but to give useful hints to such as are bound by the proper Oaths to devote their powers to legitimate ends."

              He tells us plainly there that we are not to take what he says at face value, but to look deeper. I believe it is safe to suggest that his notes on Blood Sacrifice were veiled references to the techniques of sex magick, not to human sacrifice. As for the reference to sacrificing boys, please see the footnote at the bottom of that page as well.

              Footnote #4, p. 95 of the Dover edition: "It appears from the Magical Records of Frater Perdurabo that He made this particular sacrifice on an average about 150 times every year between 1912 e.v. and 1928 e.v."


              The simple arithmetic of this statement should be a clue. 150 boys sacrificed per year for sixteen years is absurd. 150 X 16 = 2400! Come on, somebody would have noticed. Besides, the practice he seems to refer to here is ritual masturbation and the "sacrifice refers to the semen ejaculated. That sounds a bit messy, but far more reasonable than the serial murder scenario he seems to be suggesting in his deliberately vague hints; remember he tells us himself that he means something different than what he seems to be saying all through the chapter and that those who are intiated will understand what he means.

              I am not (yet) initiated to that level, but I believe I can glimpse what he is driving at. In the late Victorian and later Edwardian culture in which Crowley lived and moved and had his being, I surmise the idea of human sacrifice would have seemed actually LESS dreadful to the average reader than the thought of sex magick.

              A note of advice: it is never wise to take the Beast at the literal meaning of his words; he was a true initiate and knew how to conceal and reveal a secret at the same time.


              With love,

              Bob Pendelll,
              aka Adastra,
              The Wizzard of Jacksonville
  • Re: The Hermit

    Sun, September 23, 2007 - 7:49 AM
    The Hermit doesn't always mean that you are the one teaching, it also means finding someone to teach you.
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      Re: The Hermit

      Sun, September 23, 2007 - 12:02 PM
      There was a period in my life when I kpet getting the Hermit. I was not studying at the time though. It was simply a period of withdrawal forme. It could be about listening to your wn answers rather than being seduced by received wisdom, possibly.
      • Re: The Hermit

        Sun, September 23, 2007 - 1:51 PM
        Nexus,
        I think you really hit it on the head with "It could be about listening to your own answers".
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          Re: The Hermit

          Wed, September 26, 2007 - 8:33 AM
          thats the hermit frank, he is a person with their path layed out, he knows wher ihe is going, he can be followed by others but not share the lead
  • Re: The Hermit

    Mon, September 24, 2007 - 11:35 AM
    Thank you all! You have given me some great insight to think about. I appreciate all of your responses!
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    Re: The Hermit

    Tue, September 25, 2007 - 8:14 AM
    The main thing with the Hermit is integrity and finding your own truth, something that is very important for students. As a student, you are inundated with information and opinions from your teachers, so it's part of the learning process to sort through that stuff and decide what you agree with and what you don't. It can also have to do with physical integrity. If you are spending a lot of time in your head, you may be neglecting your body.

    Here's an article I wrote on the Hermit:


    9 / The Hermit
    Mastery of Transformation
    Sign of Virgo

    The Hermit card is about integrity and the refinement of one's inner truth. It follows naturally after the Strength card. Once you embrace and flow with the powerful energy of your own animal passions and ego projections, you are invited to gradually draw that energy inward towards a place of truth. The picture on the card shows an elderly being alone holding a lantern, a beacon to light the way. This card is particularly about shifting the energy of the ego towards inner truth rather than outer recognition. The Hermit is not necessarily about being alone. But it is about cultivating your own light regardless of how others' perceive you. The inner light of the Hermit shines primarily for himself and not for others. It doesn't matter if other people agree with you if you know your own truth.

    In Vedic astrology, the Hermit card corresponds with the zodiac sign of Virgo. Virgo is a mutable earth sign ruled by the planet Mercury. Remember that Mercury is the Magician card, the place where you initiate yourself into the tarot journey by stating your intent. The Magician is card number one while the Hermit is card number nine, and so the Hermit shows a degree of culmination or fruition of the intent that was begun in the Magician card. Mercury is a planet of bridging earth and sky. Virgo is especially concerned with turning your sky thoughts into earthly manifestation. In this way, Virgo is about the practical functioning of the body, and so it is a card of facilitating healing through medicines and an understanding of physical systems.

    In my understanding of the Toltec path, this is the second card in the mastery of transformation. The Hermit takes the wild and unruly energy of the Strength card and draws it inward, towards inner truth. The Toltec concept of impeccability is crucial to this card. Once you understand the inclinations of the ego and the animal passions of your emotional body, you can shift that energy towards self-knowledge and self-actualization. Impeccability means not going against yourself. You may have a strong desire that wants to be fulfilled. The Hermit honors the truth of that desire without allowing the energy to be applied in a direction that will ultimately be harmful or go against your true nature. By drawing the perceptual energy of our ego fixations inward we allow for transformation to occur. If we remain fixated on the outer world of appearances and worldly acquisitions, we lose the energy needed to transform our consciousness.

    The Hermit gives us the opportunity to go inward with intent and focus on our inner truth. It shows us how to refine our habitual actions and ways of seeing so that we conserve energy rather than lose energy. Most of all, it invites us to be impeccable with our words and actions. The Hermit can be about physical healing facilitated by paying attention to these miraculous physical vessels that are our bodies. Doctors take an oath that states above all they will do no harm. You may not know how to transform your life or even what you want to change, but nevertheless you can take an oath of impeccability. You can intend to do no harm to yourself or others.

    Find the Hermit card in the deck of your choice and place it somewhere you will see it, on an altar or by your bed or workplace. Invite the Hermit into your life. Ask the Hermit to teach you about conserving energy, being impeccable, and finding your inner truth, and see what happens.

    (c) 2004 by David Ray
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      Re: The Hermit

      Wed, September 26, 2007 - 8:33 AM
      nice david ray
      • Re: The Hermit

        Sat, November 17, 2007 - 8:55 PM
        Whenever the Hermit comes up for me I try to think about where I am shedding light and what is illuminated... or not. Sometimes I realize that I'm "looking in the wrong place" or not paying attention to the light I've received and need to investigate more thoroughly. Sometimes that means it's time to go inward, sometimes outward, but always-- for me at least --it's a card of needing to initiate some movement toward a deeper knowing.
  • Re: The Hermit

    Thu, December 6, 2007 - 8:36 AM
    I guess in my opinion asking others for this is a little bit null and void.

    IMHO the best way to learn and apply the Tarot is to make the cards your own. Study the theory of course to get a good grounding. Understand the principles of the suits etc. But ultimately the reading itself is incredibly subjective. The Hermit comes up for you because it resonates toward the answer that you're asking in relation to your own understanding of the Hermit card whilst still resonating from the collective unconcious of all other Tarot readers. Does this make sense?

    In summary, the cards meaning is related to your own impression of the card and also the collective unconcious of other Tarot readers. Your own impressions directly influencing the collective unconcious just as it causes an impression upon you through your subconcious.

    For me however, the Hermit symbolises a completion of a journey. The time is ripe to move onto the next phase. You use your own inner wisdom and learning to support you and thus you have developed an insight and intuition through experience and a greater spiritual self sufficiency. Bare in mind the Hermit is the Fool later on his journey. The staff the Fool used to carry his 'baggage', the Hermit now uses to support himself. Thats a big clue to the meaning. What was baggage before (at the beginning of your journey) is now your support and foundation.

    Hope that helped. It's just my opinion. I'm a huge bibliophile but when it comes to intuition, it is best to close your books and open your inner eyes.
    • Re: The Hermit

      Thu, December 6, 2007 - 12:00 PM
      I think the only way to learn tarot is to read as many different people as possible. Experience will teach the cards, experience will define the cards more accurately. The "book" understanding is simply that. Intellectualism is not intuition, memorization produces somebody else's recital and not a true reading.

      I have never like Crowley. The guy gave me the willies before I knew anything about him. What I know is from people who have studied him and his works. I'm very careful whose philosophy I sign onto...as much as we can choose what we like and leave the rest, following another's system is exactly that. It's impossible to follow someone and not be where they have been? If Crowleys really a little bugger, then that energy and idea will be permeated through all of his works just as his imbalanced concepts of power seethe through his tarot and his magical system, which was "stolen" from the Golden Dawn and altered to look different. Note the level of integrity required to break a vow to a pledged society and then plaguerize that same group! Not something I wish to assimilate too or have in my relations with society.

      More importantly, this is not the kind of behaviour I respect nor would I teach to my children. I certainly don't want to learn how to be like him nor would I appreciate a reputation like Crowleys. How could I respect myself if I endorsed his system after I knew what he was about?

      The actual foundation, the magical glyphs, symbols, names, rituals and etc. that he originally perverted can be found in the Hermetica and Golden Dawn in a purer state.

      In so many ways, people like Crowley have really done an overall dis-service to society as a whole.

      As for making your own tarot, can a person really make a set without understanding it first? Looking back, I can see I didn't have a solid understanding of tarot until I'd done about 5000 readings, but I am a slow learner sometimes. Even now I still crack the book to check an idea.
      • Re: The Hermit

        Fri, December 7, 2007 - 2:33 PM
        and that's one of the reasons i rarely post on this tribe....i'm thankful for the work crowley and lady frieda harris were brave enough to explore and publish.
        • Re: The Hermit

          Fri, December 7, 2007 - 2:35 PM
          and bashing another human is really such a positive service for others...it truly speaks volumes to the rest of us.

          open up!
          • Re: The Hermit

            Fri, December 7, 2007 - 5:02 PM
            He claimed to be the most evil person. I didn't say that I thought he was evil. As for bashing him, I haven't said anything that isn't already public knowledge and been written in books. If you think stealing a doctrine and altering it to look like yours after swearing a vow not to is an "ok" think to do, then why be upset that I mentioned he did that? Why not respect him for it?

            If you think this fact is too disgraceful to be mentioned then what are you doing even talking about it? Integrity is related to reputation.

            "I'm very careful whose philosophy I sign onto...as much as we can choose what we like and leave the rest, following another's system is exactly that."

            To emulate is to become like.

            Leelen, please notice the passive aggressiveness in your statement. As for your idea of telling me to open up, what makes you an authority on what I need and how could you be an accurate judge of my understanding.
          • Re: The Hermit

            Fri, December 7, 2007 - 8:00 PM
            I wanted to be clear, I am not saying it's wrong to read his cards or study his material. I agree, there is tremendous value in much of his works but I'd be carefull not to make it gospel. I have many friends that read Crowley's Toth professionally. They profess the greatness of his works and love it in many ways. They also laugh at the truth of his follies. They are very upstanding trustworthy people who keep their word and have gained lots of respect in the community.

            I have also owned all of his books when I had my book store and have sold many of his books over and over. In fact, I had more demand for his books than I did for everything else put together.

            Most of his current reputation is based on his writings and on the writings of people who knew and experienced him. He has not been a media figure nor has establishment spoken out against him for quite sometime, so again, his reputation is based on? Perhaps an an examination of Crowleys source will also tell allot? Sometimes the difference becomes the definition.
            • Re: The Hermit

              Sat, December 8, 2007 - 6:00 PM
              Frank seems to be a little misunderstood here. In reading his posts i do not believe he is 'bashing' him. He is simply putting forward a reserve of knowledge of the man which is already in the public arena, and thus choosing, based on this knowledge, to not pursue AC as his role model. As he puts it, to emulate is to become like. By and large AC misused a great deal of power to achieve greater power, ultimately at the end of his life he was a wreck. Addicted to heroin to name just one medium through which he was 'wrecked'. The path that AC layed out for himself lead him to this end-place. If you follow his path where will you end up?

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