Are DEMONS really as evil as we were taught?

topic posted Sat, August 25, 2007 - 4:18 PM by  Lana
The words daemon, dæmon, are Latinized spellings of daimon, Greek "δαιμων", used purposely today to distinguish the daemons of Ancient Greek religion, good or malevolent "supernatural beings between mortals and gods, such as inferior divinities and ghosts of dead heroes" (see Plato's Symposium).

From the Judeo-Christian usage demon is "a malignant spirit that can seduce, afflict, or possess humans." This notion of the daemon as a spiritual being of a lowly order that is largely evil and certainly dangerous has its origin in Plato and his pupil Xenocrates.

However in Hesiod, Phaethon becomes a daimon, de-materialized, but the ills of mankind released by Pandora are 'keres' NOT daimones. Hesiod connects the daimones of the deceased great and good in relating how the men of the "Golden Age were transmuted into Daimones" by the will of Zeus, to serve as ineffable guardians of mortals, whom they might serve by their "benevolence".

In similar ways, the Daimon of a venerated hero or a founder figure, located in one place by the construction of a shrine rather than left unburied to wander, would confer good fortune and protection on those who stopped to offer respect. Thus daemones ("replete with knowledge", "divine power", "fate" or "god") were not necessarily evil.

In Plato's Trial of Socrates, Socrates claimed to have a daimonion, a small daemon, that warned him against mistakes but never told him what to do or coerced him into following it. He claimed that his daemon exhibited greater accuracy than any of the forms of divination practised at the time. The Hellenistic Greeks divided daemons into good and evil categories: Eudaemons (also called Kalodaemons) and Kakodaemons, respectively. Eudaemons resembled the Abrahamic idea of the guardian angel; they watched over mortals to help keep them out of trouble. (Thus eudaemonia, originally the state of having a eudaemon, came to mean "well-being" or "happiness".)

After the time of Plato, in the Hellenistic ruler-cult that began with Alexander himself, it was not the ruler but his guiding daemon that was venerated, for in Hellenistic times, the daimon was external to the man whom it inspired and guided, who was "possessed" by this motivating spirit.

The Greek translation of the Septuagint, made for the Greek-speaking Jews of Alexandria, and the usage of daimon in the New Testament's original Greek text, caused the Greek word to be applied to a "Judeo-Christian spirit by the early 2nd century AD". Then in late antiquity, pagan conceptions and exorcisms, part of the cultural atmosphere, became Christian beliefs and exorcism rituals.

So here we have the Christian forefathers twisting the concept of Daimone into Demon as some kind of evil being to be feared, because of their own fears and superstitions. If only the Alexandria Library still existed.... I'msure that we would have a different view of our history.

In 391, Roman Emperor Theodosius I ordered the destruction of all pagan temples, and Patriarch Theophilus of Alexandria complied with this request. He is also known for making Christianity the official state religion of the Roman Empire. Socrates Scholasticus provided an account of the destruction of the temples in Alexandria in the fifth book of his Historia Ecclesiastica, written around 440.

Daemons were important in Neo-Platonic philosophy. In Platonism daemon here being more in tune with "demigod" rather than an evil spirit. As "Eros" being described as in-between Gods and humankind. In the Christian reception of Platonism, the "eudaemons" were identified with the angels.

It was Cyprian who debunked gods of the pagans as a euhemerist falsehood in his essay, "On the Vanity of Idols". He had this to say of daemons:

“ They are impure and wandering spirits, who, after having been steeped in earthly vices, have departed from their celestial vigour by the contagion of earth, and do not cease, when ruined themselves, to seek the ruin of others; and when degraded themselves, to infuse into others the error of their own degradation. These demons the poets also acknowledge, and Socrates declared that he was instructed and ruled at the will of a demon; and thence the Magi have a power either for mischief or for mockery, of whom, however, the chief Hostanes both says that the form of the true God cannot be seen, and declares that true angels stand round about His throne.

These spirits, therefore, are lurking under the statues and consecrated images: these inspire the breasts of their prophets with their afflatus, animate the fibres of the entrails, direct the flights of birds, rule the lots, give efficiency to oracles, are always mixing up falsehood with truth, for they are both deceived and they deceive; they disturb their life, they disquiet their slumbers; their spirits creeping also into their bodies, secretly terrify their minds, distort their limbs, break their health, excite diseases to force them to worship of themselves, so that when glutted with the steam of the altars and the piles of cattle, they may unloose what they had bound, and so appear to have effected a cure. The only remedy from them is when their own mischief ceases. ”

The daemons are real enough — "the principle is the same, which misleads and deceives, and with tricks which darken the truth, leads away a credulous and foolish rabble" — it is relying upon them that is deceptive. In this way the daemons passed easily into Christian "demons."

The North African Apuleius summed up their character in the Golden Ass (2nd century AD): "The daemones have an animal nature, a rational mind, a soul subject to passions, an aetherial body and they are immortal." The Hellenic and Roman gods were increasingly seen as immovable, untouched by human sorrows and suffering, existing in a perfect heavenly sphere. The Daemones were earthbound, passion-tormented, and in Late Antiquity, loremasters were separating them into the noble kinds and troublemaking kinds. The gnostic (from Greek "gnosis", knowledge) followers of Valentinus (a Roman Exile) multiplied the circles of Daemons and gave them oversight in various areas of concern to people: oracles, animals, and, interestingly, as "patron daemons" of nations or occupations.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(mythology)

So, really, are Demons evil???

No.
posted by:
Lana
Canada
  • Re: Are DEMONS really as evil as we were taught?

    Wed, March 26, 2008 - 11:36 PM
    what is evil?

    human beings creations

    to the Tao

    there is no good

    no evil
    just what we project and reflect.

    how would we know evil without good? The beautiful is made that way by the ugly, the long is measured by the short.
    • Re: Are DEMONS really as evil as we were taught?

      Thu, March 27, 2008 - 3:36 PM
      --So, really, are Demons evil???---

      Depends on what you desire and if desire is really evil. What is really evil to me is the unjust treatment we show to others. Evil to me is governments hiding the real truth from the people. It doesn't take a demon to create your own vise. Maybe we, as in, us, create the daemon or demon. And if enough of us believe it, then it manifest, such as the lies told to us by our, You know who. Maybe the event that we create is evil or demonic because of our own choice.

      Is it possible that the ancients created these expressions to represent our inbred, reality, that we create. What I mean about inbred is the environment a certain soul would be created or born into. Is it a choice. Did you ask to. Some believe we did some don't. What I believe is, we created it, theres a desire to be here. Therefore our own Reality. And with that reality, some of us, understand that there is a certain amount of creation that we put into it. Like it all. Its our attempt to live within a boundary and without boundaries. We pull away from and pull towards-----something. A daemon or demon to me is not a entity but a condition, and we do with this condition that we face, what we will. If this desire creates a guilt or shame, then you got to look at why and under what inbred reality that you have lived in, that, makes you feel that way. And when you do, I think that you will see that others do have the same feelings or somewhat close. Its the condition that creates the entity or deamon. Its a reality, within your full reality, even if it last only so long.

      I believe we create these devils or daemons or demons, that they are an energy that is produced or created by us. And the influence of these conditions acts on or relates to others who are on the same path.

      Back in 72, I was at a Jethro Tull concert in TO, the stage was dark and the energy was not like a Rolling Stones concert of the day, it was mellow, When the band came on stage, the energy started, in a few minutes of playing I sensed an angelic presence, and I realize that the band was relating a certain vibration that attracted that entity that brought for a rather excellent concert (with 3 standing ovations). The crowd created the energy, the energy created the daemon or Angelic condition. The Band fed off the crowd and if you are a musician or know of musicians they will tell you that its the crowd that gets them going. So when a musician gets on stage and feels the energy in the crowd they, the musician becomes there daemon. Any one who plays music knows this, even if its a jam in the basement with the chicks from the neighborhood. We are a daemons if you see it that way. Or we create these conditions and we all feel them together, like a love in, or a party. The energy is created by us, the image of who.