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So evolution wise there must be a new kind of human either around already or being born son.
( I'm obvisouly not a scientist) But remember back, when there were two kinds of humans , homosapiens and whatever was before us, well did the whatever was before us recognize the homosapiens as a different kind of human. Would we recognixe the new kind that might be alive now? Could I be a new kind of human without knowing it? Would the new kind of human's biology be indistigusihable from ours? Or would it be obvious? Is there any way to know this stuff? Could these people be trapped in some lab somewhere being studied?
( I'm obvisouly not a scientist) But remember back, when there were two kinds of humans , homosapiens and whatever was before us, well did the whatever was before us recognize the homosapiens as a different kind of human. Would we recognixe the new kind that might be alive now? Could I be a new kind of human without knowing it? Would the new kind of human's biology be indistigusihable from ours? Or would it be obvious? Is there any way to know this stuff? Could these people be trapped in some lab somewhere being studied?
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Re: New kind of humans?
Thu, February 12, 2009 - 7:47 AMThe problem is twofold:
Firstly, for a novel genetic change to not be statistically reabsorbed into the population requires some sort of isolation preventing interbreeding until this change is firmly established. Right now ease of travel is homogenizing populations more than ever before.
Secondly, if speciation is defined roughly as two populations no longer able to interbreed, then this is too large of a difference to occur quickly. Native Australians were arguably isolated for 30K-ish years or so, and while this has resulted in a statistically measurable reduction in pregnancies with non-native Australians, they are certainly still quite capable. 30K-ish years of genetic isolation in this case was not nearly enough.
The only way you are going to get a new human species quickly is through genetic modification.
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Re: New kind of humans?
Thu, February 12, 2009 - 9:28 AMHi Asch,
There has only been one species of human historically and that is homo sapiens. I am reasonably confident that is what you are also. No proof exists anywhere that there was ever any other precursor to humans or that any other "person" has ever been anything other than homo sapiens. Speciation is what Grim is referring to and isolation of gene pools as he is describing results in a loss of genetic information, not a gain.
Sadly, Darwin didn't agree. He felt that many primitives were actually unfavored races which would necessarily be extinguished over time. This notion resulted in unspeakable genocides against native tribes in Australia and other places, culminating in the murder of 6 million Jews. -
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Re: New kind of humans?
Thu, February 12, 2009 - 9:51 AMDarwin's close friend Professor Adam Sedgwick was one of the people who saw what dangers the theory of evolution would give rise to in the future. He remarked, after reading and digesting The Origin of Species, that
"if this book were to find general public acceptance, it would bring with it a brutalization of the human race such as it had never seen before."
A. E. Wilder-Smith, "Man's Origin Man's Destiny", The Word for Today Publishing, 1993, p.166
At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes … will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.
Charles Darwin, "The Descent of Man", 2nd edition, New York, A L. Burt Co., 1874, p. 178
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Re: New kind of humans?
Sun, February 15, 2009 - 6:36 AMDarwin was generally as prejudiced as most were during his era. This colored his opinions regarding the potential outcome of natural selection.
The most important point is: Genocide by human hands is not natural selection. Selective breeding is a closer analogy, which is the opposite of natural selection. Human decision and intervention is the key difference.
Darwin is not revered for his comprehensive grasp of all aspects of evolution, but for his scientific approach to some of it's basic parts.
For a good scientific understanding of the flawed underpinnings of racial prejudice, read Jared Diamond. -
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Re: New kind of humans?
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Re: New kind of humans?
Sat, March 7, 2009 - 9:32 AMmore cartoons from sizzle. Did you read any books as a youngster?
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Re: New kind of humans?
Sun, March 8, 2009 - 6:52 AMSizzle: Evolution of the NEO-Human (plus link)
This is a clip from the movie Waking Life. Although it sounds interesting, there are many flaws that don't automatically stand out due to the pace of information delivery. If you had a transcript of his speech, you would find it to be filled with logical holes and fallacies amidst a framework of good observations. -
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Re: New kind of humans?
Mon, March 16, 2009 - 1:18 PMignoring D (with all his 7 alts as friends) as he will pass into the old paradigm... and way of thinking...
Fahrenheit checking :
finally we fold into a new MMORPG MorF multi-inner-face fertile fierce and fabulous folk for a fine future free from futile fear.
it is a Phenomenological reality...
Ready or not here we come! -
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Re: New kind of humans?
Tue, March 17, 2009 - 6:08 AMSizzle. you can speak nonsense over on HD and people will actually understand you because the posters there (with one exception) all recently escaped a mental institution. However, over here we prefer reasonable and intelligent discussion and you, to date, have not shown you can offer any. Why not run along, please?
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Re: New kind of humans?
Tue, March 17, 2009 - 1:48 PMfor anyone else reading this thread - we have history--- and it ain't pretty....
dan , you want to go there with me???
you got it..
your head is filled with nothing but ignorance and styrofoam , not a single worthwhile thought.-
you are nothing but a TROLL -anywhere you go. - provable FACT
You offer nothing to the conversation ever - here or elsewhere except outdated views and compelete nonsense and flat out goofy lies - also FACT
You think everything you say is the ONLY way, -and you've been kicked out of tribes for your behavior - because you think you are ALWAYS right, you are beyond disrespectful and insulting - all true sure sines of a fool if nothing else- and you are so easy to dismiss- as such - concrete FACT
i won't go any further because you are not even worth the effort. STONE COLD FACT
therefore if anyone should "run away " it should be you -back to your troll hole!
i believe you are dying race and pray you are the last of your kind, a sure sine that we as a race of beings on this planet are elvolving,
however it isn't happening nearly quick enough to be rid or you and your level of intollerance hatred and bible thumping ignorance - yet - nearly not fast enough as far as i'm concerned.
Dan do me a favor - do not ever adress me personally again!
do us all a favor - just just stop breathing - ceast to exist - you are a waste of time ,space, and natural resources!
hense forth - you are dead to me.
they say speak well of the dead,
you are dead -GOOD! -
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Re: New kind of humans?
Tue, March 17, 2009 - 2:01 PMwow, you managed to string together a few intelligle sentences Sizzle. It's time to take a nap and rest up now:-) -
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Re: New kind of humans?
Tue, March 17, 2009 - 6:34 PM..... IGNORE THE DEAD TROLL STENCH IN THE ROOM.....
sorry everyone else...
it was a mercy killing
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Re: New kind of humans?
Tue, March 17, 2009 - 1:51 PM
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Re: New kind of humans?
Sat, March 7, 2009 - 9:31 AMthe most import point is that Darwinism leads to amorality. Almost anything can be justified due to this historical fairy tale. Might makes right, some species desired, others not so much. It is a sad tale of death and dying, killing and destroying. Genocide is most definitely a natural outworking of this absurd philosophy of existance, there is no getting around it. -
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Re: New kind of humans?
Sun, March 8, 2009 - 6:43 AMDan: the most import point is that Darwinism leads to amorality.
Close, but not quite right. More correct would be to say that if embracing amorality increases fitness, then it will likely be embraced. If, however, the creature we are discussing is some type of social animal, then amorality may not be the fittest option.
Evolution is amoral, but not immoral. Evolution does not, of necessity, lead to either amorality or immorality in evolving creatures. They are among myriad options open to creatures. They do not necessarily increase fitness in all cases.
Dan: Almost anything can be justified due to this historical fairy tale.
The act of justification is the result of an intelligent decision. We do not refer to the results of an intelligent decision as "natural selection", we refer to these results as "selective breeding." Breeding dogs for floppier ears is by no means evolution. The decision to kill humans in a tactical fashion is not evolution either.
Such human tactics as genocide may be arguably justified by different tactics. To say that a people should be killed because nature has selected them for death is a specious tactic. To say that we should kill them because we have judged them to be unfit in some way is not natural selection. Yet, while we do not find justification for genocide within evolution, we do find it within some religions. It is perfectly logical that, if the ultimate judge has commanded that it should be, we should commit genocide justly.
I would argue that religion, not evolution leads logically to genocide, and indeed a host of other misdeeds. (though not all religions lead their followers down this path to justified murder) As an example, Yahweh (a third of the triune god and "one" with jesus the christ) has been recorded as ordering multiple genocides. (logically excepting those times that he commanded that little girls be spared and taken for an unspecified purpose) -
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Re: New kind of humans?
Sun, March 8, 2009 - 8:56 AM"Close, but not quite right. More correct would be to say that if embracing amorality increases fitness, then it will likely be embraced."
You are conflating the philosophy of evolution with the alledged nature of it (survival of the most fit). Evolution is an atheistic naturalistic philosophy of origins which is meant to supplant biblical truth. The end result in the mind of the evolution believer is the absense of a moral compass. What normal folks understand as being wrong, the evolution believer cannot assent to. There is nothing in evolution, the philosophy, to proscribe a system of morality. Morality must be imposed upon it and is necessarily, arbitrary.
"Evolution is amoral, but not immoral."
it is amoral which leads to immorality as defined by scripture. Everyone I speak to on these forums who has embraced evolutionary naturalism is immoral. This is clearly evident in the things they say, the tribes they belong to etc... I could spend just a few moments with you Grim to find the same.
Dan: Almost anything can be justified due to this historical fairy tale.
Grim: The act of justification is the result of an intelligent decision. We do not refer to the results of an intelligent decision as "natural selection", we refer to these results as "selective breeding." Breeding dogs for floppier ears is by no means evolution. The decision to kill humans in a tactical fashion is not evolution either.
the decision to kill can easily be understood and justified within the evolutionary framework. It can also be understood in the New Testament Christian framework. But the justification for each would be totally different. The evolutionist can justify the strong overpowering the weak as right and just, while the Christian can only justify it as a form of self defense.
Grim: Such human tactics as genocide may be arguably justified by different tactics. To say that a people should be killed because nature has selected them for death is a specious tactic.
If you listen to the cartoon that Sizzle offered you will come to understand that evolutionists over the last Century have come to conclude the we can control or manipulate our evolution going forward. This was a justification for selectively weeding out the unfit. Nothing in Christianity would allow for such an immoral notion as this Grim. You must be a naturalist to arrive here. watch out man, you are descending into a very dark world.
Grim: "we do find it within some religions."
very true. But we do not find it within the Christian religion of the New Testament. And Christianity is what i argue for here on these pages.
Grim: "Yahweh (a third of the triune god and "one" with jesus the christ) has been recorded as ordering multiple genocides."
We can deal with Yahweh and the nation of the theocracy of Israel separately on a different forum if you like. But again, no where does Jesus enjoin Christians to genocide. If they participate in this activity, the do so for reasons other than their faith. The amoral evolution believer can be expected to committ crimes against humanity because it is a part of his amoral philosophy to do so. As long as the evolution believer is "christianized", there is some measure of protection. But as civilization descends into secularism, his true nature will be realized. And what an ugly nature it is.
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Re: New kind of humans?
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 5:41 AMgeez Dan, here was a interesting topic & along you come to drop a huge turd on it. -
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Re: New kind of humans?
Tue, October 6, 2009 - 10:04 AMsizzle is an incoherent loser who once spammed me with PM's threatening to rape my daughter etc.. He is about as low on the morality poll as a person gets. Not surprised you find his posts "interesting". -
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Re: New kind of humans?
Wed, October 7, 2009 - 5:55 AMI was referring to your first post after grims, I'm always curious about our ancestors & what future evolution will hold for us.
i stopped reading the comments after this post
"There has only been one species of human historically and that is homo sapiens. I am reasonably confident that is what you are also. No proof exists anywhere that there was ever any other precursor to humans or that any other "person" has ever been anything other than homo sapiens. Speciation is what Grim is referring to and isolation of gene pools as he is describing results in a loss of genetic information, not a gain.
Sadly, Darwin didn't agree. He felt that many primitives were actually unfavored races which would necessarily be extinguished over time. This notion resulted in unspeakable genocides against native tribes in Australia and other places, culminating in the murder of 6 million Jews."
You always assume way too much dan.
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