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Frequently, the debate over the validity of a subject distills down to the validity of the accepted evidence. There seem to be two lines of thought on this:
1) The only acceptable evidence is that which can be observed while occurring, and can be repeated.
2) When option 1 is limited or unavailable, or additional data is sought, we can provisionally accept less rigorous sources.
For example: We cannot directly observe the changes in star birth as the elemental mix of the universe has changed over time under the repeatable and controlled laboratory conditions described in option 1. We can, however, follow option 2, observing the past in a limited way, and drawing provisional theories from this evidence. We may refine these theories as more evidence is gathered, and as other fields of science mesh with our theory, perhaps developing a model utilizing physics predicting what we might additionally observe, and then finding the results to be true. We may even test parts of this theory under option 1 conditions to bolster our line of evidence.
We do not consider research into star birth invalid, simply because we cannot shoehorn the subject into the same category as simple chemistry. Like all theories, using either or both lines of evidence, our theory will be provisional, likely to be refined over time as new evidence arises.
As a theory ages, it becomes more robust when it more deeply meshes with other sciences. Though parts of the theory may be refuted, or refined, or not yet fully understood, the whole will stand until some competing theory explains the data with more precision and predictability. Proving that there are limits or shortcomings in a theory does not invalidate it, and certainly does not endow a different theory with automatic validation, as reality is not necessarily an either-or proposition.
In conclusion, both option 1 and option 2 are considered valid lines of evidence. Option 1 may carry more immediate weight than 2, but either may subsequently prove flawed or misunderstood, so either is still provisional, just as all scientific theories are. Even the theory of gravity, a force we do not fully comprehend, is provisional and subject to possible future amendment. The theory of evolution is no different in this respect, and both stand until better explanations arise.
1) The only acceptable evidence is that which can be observed while occurring, and can be repeated.
2) When option 1 is limited or unavailable, or additional data is sought, we can provisionally accept less rigorous sources.
For example: We cannot directly observe the changes in star birth as the elemental mix of the universe has changed over time under the repeatable and controlled laboratory conditions described in option 1. We can, however, follow option 2, observing the past in a limited way, and drawing provisional theories from this evidence. We may refine these theories as more evidence is gathered, and as other fields of science mesh with our theory, perhaps developing a model utilizing physics predicting what we might additionally observe, and then finding the results to be true. We may even test parts of this theory under option 1 conditions to bolster our line of evidence.
We do not consider research into star birth invalid, simply because we cannot shoehorn the subject into the same category as simple chemistry. Like all theories, using either or both lines of evidence, our theory will be provisional, likely to be refined over time as new evidence arises.
As a theory ages, it becomes more robust when it more deeply meshes with other sciences. Though parts of the theory may be refuted, or refined, or not yet fully understood, the whole will stand until some competing theory explains the data with more precision and predictability. Proving that there are limits or shortcomings in a theory does not invalidate it, and certainly does not endow a different theory with automatic validation, as reality is not necessarily an either-or proposition.
In conclusion, both option 1 and option 2 are considered valid lines of evidence. Option 1 may carry more immediate weight than 2, but either may subsequently prove flawed or misunderstood, so either is still provisional, just as all scientific theories are. Even the theory of gravity, a force we do not fully comprehend, is provisional and subject to possible future amendment. The theory of evolution is no different in this respect, and both stand until better explanations arise.
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Re: Acceptable lines of evidence in science
Tue, July 7, 2009 - 7:35 AM"In conclusion, both option 1 and option 2 are considered valid lines of evidence. Option 1 may carry more immediate weight than 2, but either may subsequently prove flawed or misunderstood, so either is still provisional, just as all scientific theories are. Even the theory of gravity, a force we do not fully comprehend, is provisional and subject to possible future amendment. The theory of evolution is no different in this respect, and both stand until better explanations arise."
You start out explaining the difference between models of science and empiricle science and end by conflating the two. Along the way acknowledge that evolution does not deserve the reputation which has been claimed for it as a "fact of science". It is no more a fact than the moon is made of limburger cheese! Evolution is nothing but a belief about the past by those in the present who were not there, do not know everything, and have no ability to repeat those events. That other so-called theories share similar traits does in no way bolster evolution to a more prominent status. Evolution has no predictive value, brings no benefits to humanity and is not supported by observations of science. In short, it has been falsified by the evidence from geology, biology and information science. The ONLY reason it has not been discarded is that no other NATURALISTIC explanation for origins exists to supplant it! This fact hardly qualifies it as a "scientific theory", regardless of how many proponents it has.
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Re: Acceptable lines of evidence in science
Wed, August 26, 2009 - 12:25 PMThough not necessarily related to evolution per se it does show how believers in and subscribers to the concept of young earth formation and and intelligent design encumber any real, substantive discussion regarding the sciences.
Cobbling science with conditions that are predicated on a pre-existing bias is no way to do science. In fact, I'd argue that it is also no way to do religion.
But fret not. What is painfully sad can also be quite amusing if not outright ridiculously funny.
Behold the Creationist Science Fair!!!!!
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