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Re: Oops
Tue, October 13, 2009 - 12:14 PMUsing what's-his-name's line of reasoning that fact that the lead sentence notes "The notion of God as the Creator is wrong, claims a top academic..." suggests that we should accept this idea without exception.
How could Dan NOT believe and ultimately accept this? I mean the person pushing the idea *is* a 'top academic' after all. -
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Re: Oops
Thu, October 15, 2009 - 10:26 PMI think Dan has given up debating with us, so we win /dances . -
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Re: Oops
Fri, October 16, 2009 - 4:56 AMDan will probably reply as soon as AIG or some similar source has dug up an answer for him to forward, or when he has time to dig up a non-internet sourced response, since this discrepancy has been known for some time.
Part of the problem with multiple meaning words with contextually narrowed meanings is that they are subject to bias and agenda when translated. This is, of course, true for any language translation, as well as any modernization of an ancient text.
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Professor Wolde is a lone nutter
Sun, October 18, 2009 - 8:06 PMSo professor Wolde, "a respected Old testament scholar" claims "In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth" – is not a true translation of the Hebrew.
Amazing how this amazing discovery has eluded scholars for the past 3,000 years! Of course, Dr. Wolde does not offer any explanation.
Van Wolde boasts of having once worked with Italian novelist Umberto Eco, best known for his books "The Name of the Rose" and "Foucalt's Pendulum," which has been described as a "thinking person's 'Da Vinci Code.'" If those aren't qualifications to revise the Bible, I don't know what is.
She literally claims Genesis "meant to say that God did create humans and animals, but not the Earth itself."
She admits that technically "bara" does mean "create" but added: "Something was wrong with the verb."
Got it.
"God did create some things, but not the Heaven and Earth," she says conclusively. "The usual idea of creating-out-of-nothing, creatio ex nihilo, is a big misunderstanding."
Van Wolde added: "The traditional view of God the Creator is untenable now."
No word yet on whether Van Wolde and her colleagues are working on revisions of these other Bible passages:
Genesis 2:4: These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens;
Psalm 89:12: The north and the south thou hast created them: Tabor and Hermon shall rejoice in thy name.
Psalm 148:1-5: Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights. Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts. Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light. Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.
Isaiah 42:5: Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Isaiah 45:8: Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
Isaiah 45:12: I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
Isaiah 45:18: For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Ephesians 3:9: And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Colossians 1:16: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Revelation 4:11: Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Revelation 10:6: And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Isaiah 40: 28: Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.
Isaiah 43:15: I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
Romans 1:25: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
1 Peter 4:19: Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
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Re: Professor Wolde is a lone nutter
Mon, October 19, 2009 - 10:10 AMyou can't ignore me Erik. I am irresistable. -
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Re: Professor Wolde is a lone nutter
Wed, October 21, 2009 - 12:36 PMMost words have more than one meaning or usage, even if most of these are subtle variations of each other. Which exact meaning is pretty much what is being debated here.
Really, whether: 1) God created the Earth and everything on it, but God is timeless, or: 2) God and the Earth are timeless, and God created everything on the Earth, doesn't really make a big difference. Either way the proposition is that God exists and is timeless. Either way, God is responsible for man and pretty much everything else. This is arguing details, when the big picture should be decided first.
I really don't have a solid opinion on this one, besides remarking that it's at least plausible.
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